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Barnes and Noble (which, like others, doesn't carry PODs in their brick and mortar stores) owns POD Smashwords..

To my knowledge, B&N has partnered with Smashwords to get epub formatted books, but they are not owned by Barnes and Noble. Smashwords is also partnered with Sony and the soon to be opened Canadian distributor Shortcovers which is part of Indigo Books. Smashwords isn't POD either, it is ebook only. Mark Coker, is their CEO and one of the owners.
 
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I think the partnership between Smashwords and B&N means Smashwords ebooks will be carried in B&N's ebook store. Nice for Smashwords authors when nook* comes out.

*I was informed the other night by a B&N employee that it is nook, not THE nook, and the name is properly spelled with a lowercase n. Apologies for slight thread derailment, back to your previously scheduled outrage and snark.

P.S. WHO CHANGED MY TITLE? You sneaky mods, you. ;)
 

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Quick question, since I cant seem to find it. Does anyone have a link or pic of harlequin's announcement to or an actual reject letter that directs people to Horizons?

I hear the accusation, but cant find the evidence? help please!
 

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Quick question, since I cant seem to find it. Does anyone have a link or pic of harlequin's announcement to or an actual reject letter that directs people to Horizons?

I hear the accusation, but cant find the evidence? help please!

Harlequin said it directly, in its Harlequin Horizons FAQ:

1. What is Harlequin Horizons?
Self-publishing is one of a suite of publishing options an aspiring author can choose from these days; with the launch of Carina Press we can provide the flexibility of a digital-only press, and Horizons offers a self-publishing option.


It is a partnership with Author Solutions – they provide the self-publishing services, we provide our brand name and we make authors we have rejected aware of this service.

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See comment 18 from the HQHo representative:

Malle: A writer receiving a standard reject letter will find a line included about self publishing. The writer, if she wants, can then contact HH. The writer will never be cold-called or contacted unless she has opted in.

http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/200...ctor-answers-questions-on-harlequin-horizons/

Also, from the FAQs they sent to current Harlequin authors:

8.What’s going to happen with the slush Harlequin currently receives?
ØWe will continue to welcome unsolicited manuscripts from aspiring authors.
ØAll standard/form/template rejection letters will include a short note about Harlequin Horizons as a self-publishing option for the aspiring author.
ØAuthor Solutions will not have access to the author contact information in our eHERS database.
ØNo one from Author Solutions will contact any aspiring authors unless they opt-in through the website (www.harlequinhorizons.com).
 

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Yup, 'cause we need to turn aspiring authors onto self-publishing & vanity publishing. 'Cause they might be one of the one in eleventy billion picked for publishing, if they are successful enough.

That's what we need to be doin'. Yep.
 

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They had to have known the outcry would be huge, right? They wouldn't have truly walked into their new coke adventure blindly, right?

You give bean counters too much credit. You'd think they would've forseen the mortgage bubble disaster too, but they didn't, and that involved only pure math.
 

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There's speculation that Harlequin didn't do it, that the parent company did it all. Since Authorhouse has scammed large numbers of reasonably intelligent people into thinking that vanity is a viable option for publishing, and that the wave of the future is "self" publishing, I can imagine a handful of bean counters who really didn't get it. If I squint, I can almost convince myself that Harlequin's response was written by somebody who didn't have a thing to do with it.
 

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BTW, everyone, I (along with several other authors, including Jackie Kessler) will be discussing this on the Book Chatter podcast show tonight, 11pm EST. You can watch & listen here (although I think what you'll be watching will be the host):


http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bookchatter


Please pass the link on to anyone you think might be interested.
 

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I guess I don't see the "scam"

Hi, we didnt feel strongly enough about your manuscript to publish it, but here are some options that might interest you...

Where's the scam? Seems pretty straight forward and honest to me... *shrugs*
 

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There's speculation that Harlequin didn't do it, that the parent company did it all. Since Authorhouse has scammed large numbers of reasonably intelligent people into thinking that vanity is a viable option for publishing, and that the wave of the future is "self" publishing, I can imagine a handful of bean counters who really didn't get it. If I squint, I can almost convince myself that Harlequin's response was written by somebody who didn't have a thing to do with it.
Yep I too see the hand of the bean counter.
Torstar's brand new President & CEO is a bean counter, he was formerly the chief bean counter. The new chief bean counter has worked at Harlequin enterprises.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/David-Holland-Named-Torstar-iw-2066892335.html?x=0&.v=1
 

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I guess I don't see the "scam"

Hi, we didnt feel strongly enough about your manuscript to publish it, but here are some options that might interest you...

Where's the scam? Seems pretty straight forward and honest to me... *shrugs*

The scam is that they're telling the authors they will be harlequin authors.

The scam is they are telling them that the front runners will get picked up by the parent company.

The scam is they aren't telling the whole truth.

The scam is they were a highly reputable publisher and are now telling every author they reject to check out their services.

It's ick to the tenth degree.
 

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I guess I don't see the "scam"

Hi, we didnt feel strongly enough about your manuscript to publish it, but here are some options that might interest you...

Where's the scam? Seems pretty straight forward and honest to me... *shrugs*
Rather than let "you" send your MS to the next royalty paying publisher, we're going to recommend that your trying paying someone to publish your story and if you're lucky, HQ might pick it up in one of their regular ones. In the meantime, we'll be making a quick buck as you spend your life savings because you think that's how it's done.
 

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I guess I don't see the "scam"

Hi, we didnt feel strongly enough about your manuscript to publish it, but here are some options that might interest you...

Where's the scam? Seems pretty straight forward and honest to me... *shrugs*
I don't know that I'd use "scam."

I would call it exploitative, unethical and unprofessional. Their copy is designed to make the unwary think that this is a "break, " and that they are "being given a chance." They are being overcharged for what a decent service bureau could providd, for less, and what a good beta reader does out of community spirit.

There's nothing on the site about using up first time rights, or the perils of another entity owning the ISBN, or the fact that the books won't be in stores, won't be distributed, and will only be available online.

Unless the author buys copies and sells them.

And of course, the market for this model is the author, not readers.
 
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There's a huge conflict of interest when the publisher has a greater financial incentive to push the vanity service than to nurture new authors. They're abusing the goodwill of the Harlequin brand to get people to buy an overpriced product that can't deliver.
 

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right right.. I agree.. but I dont see a scam. I dont see any dishonesty. They arent guarantee'ing anything... they arent lying about anything... they aren't preventing you from seeking another publisher... they arent making anyone do anything... simply offering another product they have to you... just like nearly all companies in all industries... including their critics!
 

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they arent lying about anything...

How do you know they aren't lying when they send you that "This doesn't meet our needs at this time," rejection letter, because the very next line is, "But feel free to pay us to publish it."

I guess I don't see the "scam"

HQ can take a chance on your book (and every book is a chance, some are less risky than others) and invest in the production costs for what may be a big payoff in two years...Or they can, with no risk or investment on their part, actually *collect* money from you by rejecting you (and what might be a perfectly salable manuscript) with reference to the vanity arm where *you* (not they) will assume the risk *and* the expenses of producing the book, they will pocket the profits of your inflated production costs, and then take a 50% cut of whatever you sell. If you should be so lucky to burn down the barn with numerous sales, they are free to swoop in and offer you more traditional terms.

Every business minimizes risk and maximizes returns. What's their incentive to take any risk at all when you could be suckered into taking it for them. In an economy like this, businesses are hunkering down, cutting costs, minimizing risks, in an attempt to stay afloat. This is the time they are all scrambling (no matter what industry they're in), to save as much money and take as few risks as they have to.

The scam here is that you can no longer trust their motivation for rejecting you. Why would they bother offering you money to publish your work when they can sucker *you* into paying *them* to publish it.

When was the last time your mechanic paid you to fix your car? Or the grocery store paid you to take the lettuce off their hands?

And unrelated question--I know there were some posters a page or so back speaking of POD publishing. If I'm understanding correctly, POD is a printing/bindery process, is it not, rather than a manner of publishing? Or am I confusing my terms? Clarification would be appreciated.
 

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Well, with me, no they cant. I'm not a sucker. Secondly... they cant make anyone do anything. Its a choice.. A choice is not a scam. A scam precludes a lie... I see nothing said that is untruthful.

POD= Print On Demand. Meaning one copy at a time, as they are ordered.

HQ can take a chance on your book (and every book is a chance, some are less risky than others) and invest in the production costs for what may be a big payoff in two years...Or they can, with no risk or investment on their part, actually *collect* money from you by rejecting you (and what might be a perfectly salable manuscript) with reference to the vanity arm where *you* (not they) will assume the risk *and* the expenses of producing the book, they will pocket the profits of your inflated production costs, and then take a 50% cut of whatever you sell. If you should be so lucky to burn down the barn with numerous sales, they are free to swoop in and offer you more traditional terms.

Every business minimizes risk and maximizes returns. What's their incentive to take any risk at all when you could be suckered into taking it for them. In an economy like this, businesses are hunkering down, cutting costs, minimizing risks, in an attempt to stay afloat. This is the time they are all scrambling (no matter what industry they're in), to save as much money and take as few risks as they have to.

The scam here is that you can no longer trust their motivation for rejecting you. Why would they bother offering you money to publish your work when they can sucker *you* into paying *them* to publish it.

When was the last time your mechanic paid you to fix your car? Or the grocery store paid you to take the lettuce off their hands?

And unrelated question--I know there were some posters a page or so back speaking of POD publishing. If I'm understanding correctly, POD is a printing/bindery process, is it not, rather than a manner of publishing? Or am I confusing my terms? Clarification would be appreciated.
 

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right right.. I agree.. but I dont see a scam. I dont see any dishonesty. They arent guarantee'ing anything... they arent lying about anything... they aren't preventing you from seeking another publisher... they arent making anyone do anything... simply offering another product they have to you... just like nearly all companies in all industries... including their critics!

Well, no. They are "lying by omission." They don't tell you that your books will not be in stores.

They don't tell you that your book will not be typeset, or edited, or that the cover is slapped on via a script.

They don't tell you they do a direct dump from the word processor file. Again, via a partially automated process.

I want to encourage people to compare the Thomas Nelson West Bow site, also using Author Solutions for fulfillment, and the Harlequin Horizons site.

Notice the packaging service bundles and the prices.

Notice the language of the pitches.

Notice the use of evocative, emotional langauge and images.
 
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The scam here is that you can no longer trust their motivation for rejecting you. Why would they bother offering you money to publish your work when they can sucker *you* into paying *them* to publish it.

This. And then they tack on, "And if your sales are high enough, we *might* considering picking you up for one of our regular lines."
 

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The conspiracy theories really seem to be getting out of hand. It's absurd to imagine that Harlequin--a large publishing company--is going to push the vanity service over its core business. Some people seem to be fearing that Harlequin is now going to become one of those publishers where the "traditional" branch is just a front for the vanity activities. Honestly, that's ridiculous. For one thing, you can make far more money from a single hot new author than you can from several hundred vanity-publishing ones.

IMO, it's just as far-fetched to imagine that Harlequin Horizons was imposed on Harlequin by outside bean counters. It's not hard to see why establishing a pay-to-play division would be attractive to a publishing company, especially in tough economic times--"self-publishing" is big business. It's easy, steady income that will support the publisher's core publishing activities. I bet there's hardly a publisher around these days that isn't thinking wistfully about monetizing the slush pile.

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Well, with me, no they cant. I'm not a sucker. Secondly... they cant make anyone do anything. Its a choice.. A choice is not a scam. A scam precludes a lie... I see nothing said that is untruthful.

POD= Print On Demand. Meaning one copy at a time, as they are ordered.

No scam has ever MADE anyone do anything. That's not the basis or definition of a scam.