Neo Haiku!

Dario D.

Neo-Haiku (that is, with no 5-7-5 rule)... Start with the last line of the person above you.

it goes like this
you say what you want... nobody to judge
expression flows freely
 
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they go by rules
so therefore it must be three-line freeform
which is just freeform and nothing more or less
 

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does it have to be 3-lines?
if there are no rules to neo-haiku
which is discipline as art
then there are too many "e"s in the word.
 

Dario D.

padawan, this is the result of peoples' experiments and philosophy...
the average 5-7-5 haiku consumes 3 agonizing minutes
like a math puzzle, you fight tooth-and-nail, till things fit
now the soul of fluid expression returns to poetry

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("does it have to be 3-lines?") I couldn't care less. It's poetry. :) And if it escapes even the definition of what others are willing to call Neo-Haiku (Neo means "New"... not "very, very slightly adjusted"), either just call it something else, or tell them to put a sock in it.

(Now, for the love of all that is good and holy, please, let NOT this thread contain "discussion/debate" after this point. For that, make a thread called "my opinions on Neo-Haiku". This thread is for those who want a place to stretch their brains in a positive context (meaning please no "this sucks" haikus), and play around with a fun form of poetry.)
 
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all things have their place
the lifeblood of yin and yang:
chaos follows rules.

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and my point is that there is no such thing as neo-haiku, if what you're creating violates what makes a haiku a haiku.

Call it something else. What you're asking for not only does not exist: It cannot exist as you've defined it.
 

Dario D.

chaos follows rules
but on Earth, we let the poet decide
the signature conflict of man
 

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dude, whatever you want to call it
this is just freeform poetry
it's not new, and in no way haiku
 

Dario D.

it is new, and fully haiku
it has that look, smell, and minty freshness
that no one can deny

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Now entering the point of no return. Beyond this point, bashing replies become inane (save them for my inbox), because nay-sayers clearly see by now that I have no respect for neo-haiku-bashing opinions, on top of me having already said (this being the second time) to save the crap for another thread.

And why does everyone automatically assume that I came up with this, and am trying to pitch it? This is a thread for fun, and trying out a non-tedious method of haiku, that I have grown to passionately love. (it's free-flowing expression... no syllable-counting. That means the perfect words that you "feel" to be right can STAY right the first time) It is in no way "freeform", for one simple reason: anyone reading it will say, "Oh, this is OBVIOUSLY haiku," (perception belongs to the eye of the beholder... the simple reader, who comes with no "formula-is-all-important" baggage), unless they are actually sad enough to stop and count the syllables in other peoples' haikus before giving them the "haiku stamp of approval".

Please direct further complaints (and statements of "whatever" and "fine" and "I still don't buy this") to my inbox. That's where I have the nearest Delete button. - (seriously, I am TERRIBLY apathetic toward the opinions of nay-sayers on this, so there's no ground to cover here...)
 
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Dario:

Given that you have just called me "sad", in that I find the counting of syllables (or, more correctly on) freeing for the creativity rather than constricting, I guess I will decline to further engage in your fun. Once I have mastered haiku, which I anticipate should only take another five or so years in addition to the five I've put into it so far, I'll come back and have some fun in this thread.

not bashing, just sayin',
NDG
 

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Dario, dude
chill.




there. did I do it?


NDG, Iz, etc, you're fine and we understand your point of view.

Dario, they might seem strict on rules to you, and we understand that you want to have fun, but telling them their understanding of poetry is "sad" and saying you don't respect their opinions is not okay.

Haiku is a particular form of poetry with a particular syllable count. You cannot fault them for the expectation that if you call something Haiku, it really is haiku, neo or otherwise.
What you are suggesting is as if you asked that they write sonnets without iambic pent.

You are obviously talking about "small doses" (we have a thread called that - i'll come back with a link). Which is perfectly fine.

And don't disrespect opinions here, please. We value these opinions, and we also appreciate the dedication they have to form because we learn from their discipline in critique.
 
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Dario D.

Sorry, I meant sad if they have to count the syllables in other peoples' haiku (updated the post)... you know, in order to verify that they are indeed reading haiku. ;) (I've quite enjoyed a long history of regular, 5-7-5 haiku, and STILL enjoy it...)

The only criteria for Neo-Haiku (which, if it had the exact same formula as "Haiku", wouldn't be using a different title... *hint*) is that the untrained eye-of-the-beholder has to recognize it as some form of haiku. The difference is that the person writing it has absolute freedom of expression.

*ahem*, back on track...

we learn from their discipline
avoiding future error with strain
seconds count till replymageddon
 
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