Studying with Successful ($$) Writers

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scheherazade

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Do you think there is any added value to taking a writing workshop with a teacher who has found financial success with their own work? I'm planning to take another workshop this summer, and one of my options is to study with a teacher who sold her first novel for $200,000 (granted, this was a decade ago, when the publishing climate was more favorable, but still quite impressive).

There are other good reasons for taking the class with this instructor, but I'm debating between two equally good classes. Would you consider this a selling feature of taking the class with this teacher, though? Or do you think it would have minimum impact on what you get out of the class? Best-case scenario I'd imagine she might be able to give advice/feedback about how to write a novel that appeals to a popular audience, or how to find a good agent in New York (and perhaps offer connections!). She might be able to talk about her experiences with that book, and its follow-ups. And also it might be refreshing... the last teacher I studied with was very discouraging to his students about the realities of publishing. Always telling people they'd be lucky to make two or three thousand on a novel. And basically degrading anyone who wanted to reach a popular audience instead of aspiring to write high literary stuff that most people are "too dumb to read".

But I don't know if it's fair to put this much expectation on the teacher who had the amazing book deal. I certainly wouldn't want to approach the class like a silly fan, or neurotically asking questions about how to sell my own book for that much... If you took this class, how would you find the balance between gaining publishing advice from a teacher who'd had financial success, without inundating them with silly/greedy/creepy questions?
 

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It certainly couldn't hurt. As long as you relate to or at least admire her writing, I'd say it's a very nice benefit. Or at least a practical one.
 

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My only caution is to take everything with a grain of salt. Just because they're published doesn't necessarily mean they know what's right for your book. I've also found that sometimes their information about how they broke into publishing is often a little old. I went to one, and the writer (a best selling author today) told everyone to submit the first three chapters of your book even if the agent said queries only. The only problem was that when he was shopping his first book, e-mail didn't exist. Now, as I make an agent list for mine, I'm finding that many, many agents prefer e-queries--no attachments.

If you took this class, how would you find the balance between gaining publishing advice from a teacher who'd had financial success, without inundating them with silly/greedy/creepy questions?

Actually, I might be able to help with this one. I'm friends with an actor, an 80-year gentleman who had to deal with silly, greedy, creepy questions on a regular basis. To avoid this problem, start by not treating the writer as a celebrity or someone who can get you published. Avoiding those two areas will likely keep out away from the most inane questions. Instead, try thinking of yourself as a collegue or acquintance. Make a list of questions in advance.
 

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The first two responders have offered splendid advice, but on a superficial level (can we bring it down a little?), that's a definite selling point. I, personally, would take the class.
 

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I always study these kinds of authors. Meyer, Rowling, whoever readers are talking about these days. I met Pulitzer Prize winner and bestselling author Junot Diaz. I sort of treated him like a celebrity, always wanted to learn how this author got so much talent. His words inspired me to keep writing. He was "cussy". I haven't read much of his work, but meeting a best selling author has got to be the best opprotunity of a lifetime. I asked him a crapload of questions.


It just goes to show you, deep inside, he's just a person.

I love studying the best and the most talented of authors, just to see what elements would work in my writing.
 

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Well, the writer's publication history really has nothing to do with her ability to teach. If possible, query people who have studied with her to find out about her style and what they took away from the course.

As for the connections angle. I know your secret fantasy -- she'll read my work and instantly recommend me to her agent and publisher!!! Great dream, I have it all the time. And, hey, it's happened. Some writers are very generous with their time and influence.

A lot of your approach will depend on the writer herself. Is she touchy and defensive about people trying to "use" her as a cog in the wheels of their own success? Is she more laid back and accepting of this aspect of her own accomplishment? Unless you can talk frankly with former students, you probably can't determine this before you're in class.

I guess my ultimate question would be this: If I don't get any publishing connections or inside tips out of this course, will I be as satisfied with the course content or subject as I would have been with the content or subject of the other available courses?
 

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It also depends a bit on where you feel you are with your own writing. I know many people who find paid seminars and writing workshops to be invaluable to improving their skills. Then there are others (like me) who've never taken one and don't feel any less capable for the choice.
 

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As for the connections angle. I know your secret fantasy -- she'll read my work and instantly recommend me to her agent and publisher!!! Great dream, I have it all the time. And, hey, it's happened. Some writers are very generous with their time and influence.

Ha.. partly true! But her work and my work are different enough that I don't know that I'd really want or be able to use a referral anyway. Pretty sure her agent would be Canadian (as that's where we live, and I think her first book was published with a Canadian publisher, though I think the high advance came from a deal with a US publisher). Her work is more literary, whereas I'm targeting more of a genre market - so I'm pretty much assuming a New York (or at least US-based) agent is most likely going to be the best fit for me. So the tips are probably more useful than any actual referral.


I guess my ultimate question would be this: If I don't get any publishing connections or inside tips out of this course, will I be as satisfied with the course content or subject as I would have been with the content or subject of the other available courses?

I do like the course in general. I've actually taken the same course with another teacher in the past, but with writing workshops the teacher makes all the difference. I've been thinking a lot about taking a similar course for months, and then noticed this teacher will be teaching this course, rather than the one I'd studied with before. Teacher aside, there are things I'd like to get out of this class: practicing my editorial feedback, getting feedback (from classmates and the teacher) on my own novel, hopefully learning something from the lecture portion of the class. But given the cost of the class, part of me says I can always learn these things for free elsewhere. So I guess the professional element, talking to someone who has earned a lot of money through writing, is the one unique element of the class that I can't easily find elsewhere.
 
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