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Johnson and Weld were never in a place where they could try to get us to invade anywhere. Just sayin.
The wars of liberals are just as bloody and evil as those of conservatives. I'll cast my vote for something different. And, frankly, it doesn't matter who I vote for...I live in NJ and our Bluest of Blue State will go to Hillary whatever I do.
Right now Johnson's of Fox. He sounds as if he's high...admitted not to have used grass over the last few weeks.
Are we werious?
Are we werious?
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I expect the wars of libertarians will be just as bloody and evil, assuming a libertarian ever gets elected to something higher than the local council.
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Well, in a land with such divide 'tween rich n poor, and folk now more slaves to the need to work than ever before...
why not let a socialist give it a go? Hmm? He'll have as much or less resistance as Hillary, prob less than Trump. I mean, what's the worst that could happen? (ignoring the first 6 months of bitchin by Wall st and the dow jones dropping for a bit etc, standard enough from jitter investment folk)
is he going to lock people up/ deport them? Cut the poor's money? I mean what? A bit more tax of corporations and rich individuals, for sure. Shucks, the US can survive that. Hillary will keep the status quo, she wont deport/jail folk, but also wont make the required changes to Make America Fair Again.
Hey, I just thought of a slogan....
why not let a socialist give it a go? Hmm? He'll have as much or less resistance as Hillary, prob less than Trump. I mean, what's the worst that could happen? (ignoring the first 6 months of bitchin by Wall st and the dow jones dropping for a bit etc, standard enough from jitter investment folk)
is he going to lock people up/ deport them? Cut the poor's money? I mean what? A bit more tax of corporations and rich individuals, for sure. Shucks, the US can survive that. Hillary will keep the status quo, she wont deport/jail folk, but also wont make the required changes to Make America Fair Again.
Hey, I just thought of a slogan....
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It boggles my mind how people attach themselves so tightly to the idea of H. Clinton being the liar extraordinaire when no one calls out Trump to the same degree. Hell, I'd take a half of that degree. If she is so obviously guilty of Benghazi orWhitewater, let's see her brought up for that. No I don't care about the sniper business, although I am mightily unhappy with the email server business. She should be at the very least sanctioned for that, at best, in jail.
But we can talk about that when we talk about how G.W. Bush got us into Iraq on a smile and quack 'facts,' what part Cheney had to play in it, and how Rumsfeld was the biggest liar in the trio. Known unknowns, my ass.
H. Clinton is no better, no worse than any other (except racist, bigoted, misogynist Trump), but let's not pretend she's gotten away with more than other politicians have.
But we can talk about that when we talk about how G.W. Bush got us into Iraq on a smile and quack 'facts,' what part Cheney had to play in it, and how Rumsfeld was the biggest liar in the trio. Known unknowns, my ass.
H. Clinton is no better, no worse than any other (except racist, bigoted, misogynist Trump), but let's not pretend she's gotten away with more than other politicians have.
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Well you see, Bernie's brand of socialism doesn't include dictatorship. That's just...dictatorship - be in under the guise of 'socialism', capitalism (Chile), fascism, or any other type of ism.
The socialism Bernie is referring to is the one which operates in western Europe. We call it 'mixed economy' or similar.
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Gah.
I think that article--or a version of it--has now been cited in every thread that has any criticism of Clinton, whatsoever (hyperbole, to be sure, but the article has been in at least four threads, probably more).
And it doesn't measure "honesty" as much as it might measure "accuracy." Just because Politifact rates something as half true or worse, it doesn't mean someone was automatically lying. And just because it rates something better than that, it doesn't mean someone wasn't being deceptive.
Hey, now that I've been outed as in the tank for Trump, why not just settle this thing right now, you and me, mano y mano?
Shall we say cream pies at dawn?
Johnson and Weld are both two-term governors.
Of course, neither is the hardcore Libertarian Party extremist some would paint them to be.
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Both elected as Republicans, not Libertarians. Thereby illustrating the major point about electability.
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Nah. I just can't get down with that.
EDIT: Oh, man, I wasn't invited.
Oh, don't be sad. Of course you're welcome. We can never throw too many cream pies.
How about you throw pies for Stein? I haven't seen you starting multiple threads specifically for the purpose of decrying her, so I shall hereby assume you are in the tank for her.
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Robo? I'm trebucheting you back to 1992. You're throwing cream pies for Ross Perot.
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Not so much, I think, because there has never been a Libertarian candidate with anything like their record. Nor have we seen many election years like this one.
I think it's a bit rash to assume, this year of all years, that a Johnson/Weld ticket will be no more appealing than the random dogcatcher/freak ticket the Libertarian Party too often runs.
I'm not saying they're going to win. I'm not even saying they're going to win a state. But I am saying they're a different ball game when it comes to appeal. And this is a very weird year.
I'm also saying that they're not Libertarian extremists (which is why it was a bit of a push to get them on the Libertarian ticket at all), though some are trying to paint them that way.
I'm making no predictions at all, at this point, about who might win this election, or how well each candidate might do. It wouldn't amaze me to see Johnson get 1% again. It also wouldn't surprise me to see his ticket do as well as Ross Perot's, or better.
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If by some, you mean me, all I've done is point out the official platform of the Libertarian party.
And then noted that Gary Johnson, nominee, supports those positions. If that makes him look like an extremist, that's on him, not me.
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No, they'd have to vote for the libertarian platform, though, which is another problem for those of us who don't agree with most of it. So they're yet another one of many bad choices that have to be ranked due to the relative amount of damage one anticipates any of these candidates might do if they win (and then trying to figure out which might work best as a "vote against" the candidate one thinks will do the most harm to our country if elected.
I think a Trump presidency could result in far more damage to our country than any of these other candidates (though libertarians would destroy/eliminate my job and many things I love and think are of value if they were able to do what they say they want to do, so I'd be pretty scared of them winning too if I thought they had a chance), so in addition to thinking about who I agree with the most, I have the fun of deciding which of the remaining choices is most likely to beat him.
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I concur, and if you look over Gary Johnson on the issues, there's something there for everyone to like. Which means there's plenty of stuff there to dislike and I found plenty. Which pretty much means Johnson is not radically different from most politicians, yanno? His mutant power to look like a sound alternative to the Clinton or Trump conundrum has only recently manifested.
It remains to be seen if it will bloom into nudging a way into the presidential debates, out of the fringes, and into the mainstream of American political consciousness.
There's no reason to do so except to maintain a certain degree of ideological purity and to be able to say after your candidate gets his ass handed to him you can say, "Well, I'm happy I got to vote for MY guy even if he got fried up on Election Day like greasy hamburger."
Apparently, that's a comforting thought for some folks. They can claim they had no part in whatever fuckery comes next and get to second-guess everybody else for the next four years.
Plenty of people mindlessly vote for R's and D's because that's what they always done. Plenty of people also talk mad shit about those other plenty of people because nobody's listening to them telling them they don't have a clue.
Stay home. Or don't. I don't mind whom you choose.
So why bother voting at all if it doesn't matter?
So they're softcore Libertarian Party extremists? Does that make them better or just squishes?
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Yay, I get to play!!Cuz god knows this election doesn't suck enough.
You'll see. Cream pies are going to be much more fun than all these silly debates and primaries. And infinitely more dignified.
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By the way, ABC news estimates that if one includes superdelegates, Clinton now has enough to clinch the nomination.
Not that it matters, now that we're going the cream pie route.
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Well, except for the part where Gary Johnson has stated specifically that he has a number of issues with the Libertarian platform, and that he and Weld will be running their own campaign based on the more general "socially liberal, economically conservative" version of libertarianism.
I'd also like to see where in the platform where they challenge the belief that global warming is actually due to man-made actions. It's not in section 2.2, Environment.
Nor does section 2.7, Labor Markets, mention the minimum wage at all. Not one word.
I guess I just overlooked it.
