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I've seen that letter. Most of their stuff is canned, but they do change the format from time to time.

I note they've stopped threatening to sue us "by the end of the year."

- Victoria

Everything probably grinds to a halt for him at the end of the year.

And then it's a new beginning. Same books to sell, same threats to be made, same dodging and diving, same thieving and scamming, same darkened room where he conducts all paypal transactions from his computer, and before long it's the end of the year again and it starts all over.

Groundhog Day/Year for a pathetic cyber nonenity.
 

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Don't worry about it. They don't steal manuscripts, and they don't sell them. They concentrate on charging writers fees for vapor services.

And more specifically, the USA also is a signatory to the Berne Copyright Convention which establishes that all works are automatically copyrighted when "first expressed in tangible form", i.e. written down, for fiction.

But yeah, what the others have said: if these scammers could actually, you know, sell manuscripts to publishers, we wouldn't be so down on them.
 

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I added one statement near the one from their attorney.

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: WL Screenplay Agency: Thank You For Your Query
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:09:02 -0500


.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P{padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;}.ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}First, you have to realize that writers bashing their agents is a time honored tradition (grin). See this link. http://www.observer.com/2007/helen-dewitt-trashes-andrew-wylie-portfolio-com

So, if you want to you can find naysayers about anyone. We generally chalk it up to envy, jealousy, and a negative orientation towards life... in short, sour grapes.

However, sometimes an a writer can go to far in their vindictiveness. We are the victims of a smear campaign generated by 3 writers (plus the numerous writers that we have had to fire because their work didn't meet our standards). In short, sour grapes.... Our lawsuit against the 3 main ringleaders will set the record straight.

This writer said it best.

Dear Sherry Fine,
I am utterly amazed at the amount of negative
feedback directed at you - from the internet.
How do you keep going amidst such a barrage.
Firstly, I don't believe you are as bad as they are
all saying. Secondly, I NEVER believe what others say,
regarding art or anything else, compared to what I
DIRECTLY experience myself.
Thirdly, all of your emails to me, to date, have
been sensitive, intelligent and aware.
So, I may be half-crazy (many writers are), but I'm
willing to proceed! All the best - Alex


What's your real risk?...

Are you afraid that we will 'steal your work?'... That's not going to happen either, but if you're worried about that, then you're not for us anyway.

Your real risk is that you miss an opportunity because of some old school blather that has gotten bloated over time.

So, if it were me, I'd treat this like any other business arrangement. Keep your eyes open ad decide for yourself. In other words, let us prove ourselves to you. http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/positives.html so we're confident that you will be satisfied with our relationship.

This one sums it up.

Dear Sherry Fine,
I am utterly amazed at the amount of negative
feedback directed at you - from the internet.
How do you keep going amidst such a barrage.
Firstly, I don't believe you are as bad as they are
all saying. Secondly, I NEVER believe what others say,
regarding art or anything else, compared to what I
directly experience myself.
Thirdly, all of your emails to me, to date, have
been sensitive, intelligent and aware.
So, I may be half-crazy (many writers are), but I'm
willing to proceed! All the best - Alex

Truly, we are saddened by this state of affairs because we know it gives many authors pause when considering dealing with our company. We are also saddened by the lack of
professionalism shown by these people. A spirited discussion is fine. But,
they have crossed a legal boundary and we intend to follow through with
the considerable resources at our disposal.


Our attorney has approved the following statement: Is this the place where I should be cringing and begging for mercy?
----------------------------------------------------
"The material promulgated by these websites and people is false, misleading,
and grounds for a series of lawsuits. At this time we are bringing suit against a
number of websites and people that we believe have
defamed our corporation. We expect to prevail with a temporary restraining
order (TRO) issued by Federal Court, by the end of the year."

Jerrold G. Neeff The Bostonian Law Group 33 Kingston St., Fourth Fl. Boston, MA 02111 www.Bostonianlaw.com This e-mail and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the members and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request.


And if this email from a client doesn't tell you how wrong they are then we'd be very surprised. This is from Joe T, a screenplay client that we just sold a script for.
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"I currently read some bad remarks about Writers Lit on some writers blog website, I couldn't believe it. It said you guys were scam artist and all this and that. I must tell you though I have no complaints, Writers Lit helped me a lot in growing as a writer through the whole editing process and has been honest with me so far. To be honest I never thought it would sell. Born of Earth was the first script I'd ever written, so all this is a bit still surreal. But I just wanted to let you know I appreciate everything you have done. Look forward to continue our working relationship." Joe T.


Best regards,
Sherry Fine - VP Acquisitions

Our Pledge To You:
==================
* We respect what you have accomplished thus far as a writer.
* We believe that great authors are made, not born. We are willing to develop talent.
* We pledge straight talk in a confusing and old-school industry.
* We can't promise a sale. We can promise a professional relationship.

p.s. Missed Emails, Spam, Whitelists, and other reasons for lapses in communications. There's an old joke in showbiz that asks the question, "What do you get if you cross an agent with a turnip?" The answer is "A turnip that doesn't return your phone calls." That won't happen with us. We are very, very diligent about returning every email that we receive within a couple of days. The same is true for our vendors and suppliers. IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE A COMMUNICATION AND YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE, PLEASE, CHECK WITH US AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENED. Please don't jump to negative conclusions. The Internet is not 100% foolproof and we are very sensitive to our clients' expectations and our promises about timely communications.

FINAL NOTE: VERY IMPORTANT: BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR SPAM AND JUNK EMAIL FOLDERS. THE BIG ISPS ARE RECLASSIFYING EMAILS CONSTANTLY. Also, please make a meaningful SUBJECT LINE. We are so deluged with spam that it is tough to pick out the real emails. (sigh).

And if you can always try to be sure your first name, last name, and title is in the email somewhere it would be appreciated.




-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: WL Screenplay Agency: Thank You For Your Query

Thank you for your speedy response but due to discoveries made by a little internet research, I've decided not to pursue your company.

> From: [email protected]
> To: xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: WL Screenplay Agency: Thank You For Your Query
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:35:57 -0500
>
> Thank you for your query to the WL Screenplay Agency and Management Co.
> Based on your query form information we would like to see your work and
> learn a little bit more about you.
>
>
> 1) Would you please send us an electronic copy
> of your screenplay for further evaluation?
>
> Please email your manuscript to
> [email protected] .
>
> 2) Would you please answer these 2 questions
> in the body of the SAME email? (Just copy and paste
> the questions).
>
> A. How long have you been writing, and
> what are your goals as a writer?
>
> B. Do you consider your writing 'ready-to-go', or do you think it needs
> some polishing? If you have had coverage or a formal critique please list
> the details and dates and discuss the changes you made. If you have worked
> with accredited screenwriters, please discuss that as well.
>
>
> You may send either 30 or so pages, or the entire screenplay, whichever you
> are more comfortable sending to us. Your screenplay is completely safe
> within our company. We take care to properly manage all access and if we
> don't end up working together, we delete all files.
>
> Please DO NOT include any questions with your submission. If you have a
> question, please send it to [email protected] where the proper
> people may address your question. Most of the questions you may have are
> answered on the website and at the bottom of this email. Please see the
> FAQs below.
>
>
> Our preference for receiving your script is via email.
> ============================================
> If you simply must mail your work, please email our question email and
> request a mailing code and address. Please explain thoroughly why you feel
> that you must mail the work. (Can you tell by now that we really want to
> make it difficult to mail? We hate mail. It costs money to ship, buyers
> don't want hardcopy, etc, etc.) Mailed scripts may take up to 6 weeks to
> reply/process. As a matter of fact, we will probably lose it and you will be
> mad at us <grin>. Emailed scripts are processed much more quickly.
>
>
> We believe we are very different than other agencies.
> ==========================================================
> We believe that we are unique in that we are willing to develop an author
> and their talent. We like the metaphor of a business incubator as a
> description of how we will take time to bring an author's work to the proper
> quality level, even if it takes months to do so. We take pride in the fact
> that we answer every email personally within 2-3 days.
>
> Also, you may understand how a Literary Agency works, but many authors
> don't, so please excuse me while I take a minute and let you know how the
> process works. As your Literary Agent, our mission is to assist you in
> finding a buyer for your work and to coach you along the way in various
> options available to you. We don't edit your work, our mission is to sell
> for you. As for compensation, get paid on success only, meaning we only get
> paid if you get paid. Typically we will receive 10% of what you receive if
> we are successful.
>
> We do not charge fees, so our compensation is based on success only. Along
> the way, we may suggest that you improve the quality of your work and or how
> it is presented. Once your work is deemed 'presentable', then we'll start
> shopping it to buyers.
>
> We never promise a sale, but we can tell you that we have a model that
> works.
>
> We look forward to receiving your materials.
>
> Best regards,
> Sherry - V.P. Acquisitions
>
> p.s. You might as well get used to these long emails. Part of our filtering
> process is to see if you actually read them <grin>. Why the long emails? If
> you will read them you will actually get a decent view of the agency
> business and what we see from our side. We try to explain as much as we can
> along the way and I am always pleased when authors tell me that they enjoyed
> learning from these emails.
>
> Please don't be upset because we use forms and long emails. I spend my time
> doing two basic tasks, 1) managing submissions and evaluations (currently
> about 3000 applicants a month), and 2) answering questions. If I can answer
> your question BEFORE you ask it, then the entire process will proceed much
> more efficiently.
>
> As a corollary to that, if you want long-winded, personalized emails you
> will probably not enjoy our process. If you are as busy as we are, and you
> pride yourself on operating efficiently (it is a business after all), then
> you will enjoy how efficiently we focus on the point, and that is, whether
> we can work together based on your writing and attitude.
>
> PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL HAVE A MUCH MORE PERSONALIZED INTERACTION
> WITH OUR AGENTS IF YOU PASS THE EVALUATION PROCESS. This is the biggest
> complaint that we get and I wish I could spend oodles of time with each of
> you. I just can't. Sometimes it's like drinking from a firehose over here.
> So, please rest assured that there will be plenty of personal interaction
> with your agent but not with me. I am a real person, and I do look at every
> email. After that we have some pretty sophisticated tools for managing
> emails.
>
>
>
> Frequently Asked Questions
> =============================
> Q) Do you return screenplays?
> A) Sorry for the inconvenience however, WE DO NOT RETURN SCREENPLAYS due to
> the volume of submissions we receive. Please do not send us anything that
> you can't replace easily.
>
> Q) Would you prefer me to email or mail my script?
> A) WE MUCH PREFER EMAILED SCRIPTS.
>
> Q) How should I attach my script?
> A) PLEASE DO NOT PASTE YOUR MANUSCRIPT INTO THE BODY OF THE EMAIL. Please
> send it to us as an attachment, otherwise it hangs up the mail system. If
> you can't create an attachment, please get a friend to help you do so. We
> have every software known to the industry, so unless the format is pre-1990
> then we can read it.
>
> Q) Is my screenplay safe with you?
> A) Your materials are safe within our company. If you are uncomfortable
> sending your entire script, please only send half of it and a strong
> treatment. If we do not end up working together we will destroy and delete
> any copies of your work that we have.
>
> Q) How long does this review take?
> A) About 7-10 days. We're faster than most other agencies.
>
> Q) Why is there no phone number? I want to talk to someone...
> A) Quite frankly, we are deluged with submissions. It is our policy to
> provide a contact number later in the process, assuming we would like to
> proceed with you.
>
> Q) Where are you located?
> A) We maintain executive suites in Los Angeles and New York and we have
> various relationship partners in Los Angeles where we meet with clients and
> buyers. Other than that, we travel often and have the good fortune to live
> in Florida and California depending on the time of year. Sometimes we think
> that we live in airports.
>
> Q) Do I need to copyright my work before I send it?
> A) Not really. Your script and creations are completely safe within our
> company. We take care to properly manage all access and if we don't end up
> working together, we delete all files. You may also want to copyright it,
> but we don't need it to be copyrighted to analyze it. Regarding copyright,
> there are two ways you can go. One way is to do it yourself at
> http://www.loc.gov/copyright/ . The other way is to let someone who does it
> all the time do it for you. We found a list of copyright services here.
> http://www.inktip.com/protect-scripts.php Some of the services do books and
> some screenplays.
>
> Q) Tell me about your company.
> A) We are bigger than a small agency and smaller than a large agency. We
> have about 15 people total and at any one time it seems that we have about 3
> option agreements in negotiations. We market to the larger and medium sized
> producers. None of the options have made it to production yet, because
> we're on the newer side, but it should be a good year for our authors this
> year! As you noticed, we're new as a company. That's why we're seeking new
> talent to build our roster. Most agencies don't take new authors, so it's an
> opportunity for each of us. We have an "extended team" concept where we
> have various "partners" in Hollywood. If those partners like a script then
> they will work it with us (we pay them, not you). Those partners have
> connections of the highest caliber, Our principals have helped negotiate a
> number of options already though so we know the ropes. We are just now
> starting to work under our own corporate name. I wish I had more to say,
> but at least we're honest about our newness and we think our partners give
> us the reach that we need into inner Hollywood.
>
> Q) Have you ever been sued or in legal action with your clients/authors?
> A) We are very proud of the fact that we have NEVER been sued or a part of a
> legal action. (Note: We are bringing suit against a number of writers that
> have been bad mouthing our company, but that's different. We are very
> concerned about our repuation and will protect it strongly. As you know,
> there are nay-sayers everywhere if you want to look for them.)
>
> Q) How do I know you are for real?
> A) All we ask is that you judge us on the professionalism of our
> interactions together. We will never ask you for money, so that's one way to
> judge for yourself. Our commitment to you is that we believe that we should
> get paid only if we sell your work. Your commitment to us is that you will
> do what it takes to make sure your script is the best it can be and that it
> meets or exceeds industry quality standards.
>
> Q) What are you looking for during your evaluation?
> A) We mainly look for COMMERCIAL VIABILITY in the work coupled with good
> solid writing skills. "Is it something that will sell?" is of paramount
> importance to us. (We ARE NOT scrutinizing every word, spelling, and grammar
> usage. There's plenty of time later for that.) We believe that great writers
> are made, not born at least 99% of the time. But if a work doesn't have
> commercial potential, then we want to let you know as quickly as possible.
> Being willing to grow talent, we believe in the old adage, "luck is when
> opportunity meets preparation and hard work".
>
> Q) What if you find errors or problems with my screenplay? Should I spend
> time revising now, or later?
> A) We receive very few 'ready-to-go' screenplays. We believe we are unique
> in that we are willing to work with our authors along the way. Most that we
> receive need some level of polishing before we can submit them to buyers.
> Some need very little polishing. Some need a lot. Over the years, we've
> learned that it is worth our time and effort to do what it takes to develop
> new talent. We've learned that incubating new talent makes good business
> sense.
>
> Q) My screenplay isn't finished....
> A) As long as there is enough finished to determine your skills as a writer
> we are willing to look at your work. As mentioned previously, we take a
> long term view and we are willing to develop talent.
>
> Q) Is this an automated email? Is there a real person out there?
> A) Yes, and yes, and yes... We personally review each query form to
> determine whether the story idea/synopsis sounds interesting. This tells us
> which screenplays we would like to receive.
>
> Then, yes, we do use form letter emails to provide these FAQs. Can you
> imagine typing this time and time again? We pride ourselves on using
> technology to be as efficient as possible. This allows us to work with
> authors from anywhere in the world. By automating certain elements of our
> communications we can spend more thoughtful time on your questions that are
> specific to you and your situation.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Sherry - VP of Acquisitions
> We Grow Talent
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How Did You Hear of Us?
> Internet surfing.
>
> The Title of Your Work:
> * xxxxx xxxxx
>
> Logline/Synopsis:
> *
> YYYYY
>
>
>
> Your Name:
> * XXXXXXXXXX
>
> Your Email Address:
> * XXXXXXXXXX
>
>
> Do you have coverage or a critique, and if so give details please?
> * No
>
> Your Bio:
> ZZZZZZ
>
>
> And now for the questions (I hope not to offend but it's best to clear the
> air between us sooner, rather than later and your web-site does try to
> promote a somewhat candid sense of business):
>
> - P & E ( http://anotherealm.com/prededitors/peals.htm ) advises against
> using your company due to a vague "difference of interests" and labels
> Sherry Fine as not being recommended - would you care to clarify?
>
> - None of the writers who gave feedback on your site have names - I would
> like to check out their credentials on IMDb and was wondering if you'd
> provide me with a (partial is fine) list of clients?
>
> - You don't charge any fees which gives of the impression of legitimacy...
> are there any hidden costs such as stamps and envelopes?
>
> - 10% is pretty much the industry standard if not even on the lower end of
> the scale; could you apprise me as to the terms and conditions of any
> contracts that may exist between us regarding my work and your
> representation of it?
>
>
> AAAAA
>
> I thank you for your time and look forward to hearing from you again soon
> (in 2-3 days, right?);
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> XXXXXXXXXX
>
****************************My comments once more***********************
Well, since The Bostonian Law Group opposes Internet fraud, I wonder how your attorney, Jerrold G. Neeff, will feel when all your victims write to him with their complaints?
 
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WL Writers Literary Agency

has anyone heard of WL Writers Literary Agency?
 

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This site helped me.

I have recently been saved from this company by coming to this site. I found the agency as a pop somewhere (can't recall where but I am going to try and remember) and queried them. They responded quickly asking for script and I made the mistake of falling for it. Looking back now I realize that was pretty dumb since they never mentioned sending a release form and I know a reputable agency would have, but when someone asks to see your script you can make dumb mistakes out of excitement. Anyhow, I thought something was up when they responded so quickly and started looking for info on them. I found it here and was glad I did, now I won't waste my time with them. They also sent me a "Positive Review" email and recommended I get my script evaluated and surprise surprise they were even willing to point me to some companies who did just that. They said this would show a production company the script was ready to go... now shouldn't the agent be able to convince a production the script is ready to go.

Well, thanks for the heads up guys, now back to licking stamps and sending out queries!
 

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I have not received email from any of the folks who have recently complained on this thread. I repeat...if you have encountered a problem with this literary agency, you really need to send me an email at:

[email protected]

I respond to all emails, and usually within 24 to 48 hours.

I will tell you your best course of action from this point on. Please write to me.

Thank you.

-Ann C. Crispin
Chair, Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com
 

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First, Ann really means it. You can help right now by writing to her, if you've had any contact with WL Writer's Literary.

============

Next, I haven't done a line-by-line for a while, so it's that time again. Here're my comments on the latest from "Sherry"!

First, you have to realize that writers bashing their agents is a time honored tradition (grin).


Not so much, and not so often. Usually you find authors calling their agents Princes Among Men and the best thing that ever happened to them.

(That little "(grin)" means this is Robert Fletcher writing. He was "grinning" years before he ever thought up the "Sherry Fine" pseudonym.)

Sounds like the lady actually has a complaint.
So, if you want to you can find naysayers about anyone. We generally chalk it up to envy, jealousy, and a negative orientation towards life... in short, sour grapes.
You ought to actually chalk it up to wisdom, experience, and a desire to help the newbies. What the hey am I supposed to be envious of? Do I not want to sell my books?

This, BTW, is an incorrect use of "sour grapes." In the fable the fox said "The grapes are probably sour anyway" after he was unable to get them. In the case of Robert Fletcher, the grapes really are sour -- being represented by him isn't anything that anyone would want -- while getting him to represent you is the easiest thing in the world. People have sent in total gibberish -- random keystrokes -- and gotten an offer of representation.

However, sometimes an a writer can go to far in their vindictiveness.


He meant to say "too far." Spelling counts, Bobby.

We are the victims of a smear campaign generated by 3 writers


Don't like it when the "literary watchdogs" tell the truth? You aren't the first or the only, Bobby. Someday look up Edit Ink, Dorothy Deering, and Martha Ivery.

(plus the numerous writers that we have had to fire because their work didn't meet our standards).

Those are the guys who you took on, charged for a "critique," charged for a "professional edit," charged for a webpage, charged for an "aggressive agent," then kicked to the curb a year or so later when it turned out (big surprise!) that you couldn't sell their book. They went "through the wringer." They "jumped through hoops." And they still didn't have a sale.


In short, sour grapes....

You already misused that same exact phrase above. Not a careful writer when you're angry, Bobby.

Our lawsuit against the 3 main ringleaders will set the record straight.

Is that the same lawsuit that you've been threatening since ... 2004?

This writer said it best.

I dunno. I think this writer said it best. But opinions vary, you know.

Dear Sherry Fine,
I am utterly amazed at the amount of negative
feedback directed at you - from the internet.

What's so amazing about it? You run a scam for years, and you direct that scam against writers. Writers ... write. It's what we do.

How do you keep going amidst such a barrage.

"Sherry" sniffles every time "she" cashes a check, but "she" manages to keep up a brave front!
Firstly, I don't believe you are as bad as they are
all saying.

Faust: [SIZE=-1]Come, I think hell's a fable.

Mephistopheles: [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Ay, think so still, 'til experience change thy mind.[/SIZE]

Secondly, I NEVER believe what others say,
regarding art or anything else, compared to what I
DIRECTLY experience myself.

What an interesting life you must lead. Son, you are about to have some experience. Remember to check back in with us in a year.

Thirdly, all of your emails to me, to date, have
been sensitive, intelligent and aware.

And pre-written generalized form letters.

So, I may be half-crazy (many writers are), but I'm
willing to proceed! All the best - Alex

Yes, Alex, do check back and tell us how it went.

What's your real risk?...

Your risk is that you'll lose some money, you'll lose a couple of years, and you'll lose confidence in yourself as a writer.



Are you afraid that we will 'steal your work?'... That's not going to happen either,

Because Fletcher doesn't know how to sell books. He couldn't sell your book if you held a gun to his head. No way he's going to try to sell it behind your back!

but if you're worried about that, then you're not for us anyway.

They should worry that "Sherry" can't sell books at all.


Your real risk is that you miss an opportunity because of some old school blather that has gotten bloated over time.

You're talking about the "old school blather" that sells somewhere around 172,000 new titles per year in the USA alone? (As opposed to "Sherry," who, if we believe every word she's said (which we don't), has managed to sell two books since the agency was founded back in 2003.)

So, if it were me, I'd treat this like any other business arrangement.

Don't hire a plumber when everyone you know says, "Joe the plumber? He's the worst ever!"

Keep your eyes open ad decide for yourself.

Ask "Sherry" for the list of all the titles "she" sold in the past twelve months.
In other words, let us prove ourselves to you.

Go for it, "Sherry"! List those titles!

http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/positives.html so we're confident that you will be satisfied with our relationship.

I'm confident that you won't be, if what provides satisfaction is saying "I sold my book!"

This one sums it up.

Dear Sherry Fine,
I am utterly amazed at the amount of negative
feedback directed at you - from the internet.
How do you keep going amidst such a barrage.
Firstly, I don't believe you are as bad as they are
all saying. Secondly, I NEVER believe what others say,
regarding art or anything else, compared to what I
directly experience myself.
Thirdly, all of your emails to me, to date, have
been sensitive, intelligent and aware.
So, I may be half-crazy (many writers are), but I'm
willing to proceed! All the best - Alex

You already used that one, "Sherry."

Truly, we are saddened by this state of affairs because we know it gives many authors pause when considering dealing with our company.

Me, it puts a song in my heart and a smile on my lips to think that many authors are given pause before dealing with the WL Writer's Literary Agency.

We are also saddened by the lack of
professionalism shown by these people.

Awwww. Sorry you're sad. Care to mention the books you've sold in the past twelve months? (And I don't mean the books that the authors sold themselves that you've claimed as your own, either.)

A spirited discussion is fine.

Any time, anywhere, "Sherry." But you keep being a no-show.

But,
they have crossed a legal boundary and we intend to follow through with
the considerable resources at our disposal.

Where'd those resources come from? It sure wasn't from selling books. What's your source of income, "Sherry"?


Our attorney has approved the following statement:

Is this the lawyer-in-a-box, or someone else?
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"The material promulgated by these websites and people is false, misleading,
and grounds for a series of lawsuits.

You want to talk false and misleading? I'm ready to go toe-to-toe with you, "Sherry." Is it false that Robert Fletcher owns WL Writer's Literary? Is it false that he was adjudged guilty of stock fraud in Washington state? Is it false that his source of income is fees paid by writers? Anyone can sue for anything: winning is something else. And in your case, "Sherry," the countersuit will be a bitch.



At this time we are bringing suit against a
number of websites and people that we believe have
defamed our corporation.

I'll believe that when I see it. This is the same threat they've been making for four years now.

We expect to prevail with a temporary restraining
order (TRO) issued by Federal Court, by the end of the year."

Which year would that be? 2032? That letter was written in 2007, and "the end of the year" came and went without any sign of a TRO.

Jerrold G. Neeff The Bostonian Law Group 33 Kingston St., Fourth Fl. Boston, MA 02111 www.Bostonianlaw.com This e-mail and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the members and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request.

Maybe I should ask Mr. Neeff about this. I wonder, does he know that you're passing his email around?

And if this email from a client doesn't tell you how wrong they are then we'd be very surprised. This is from Joe T, a screenplay client that we just sold a script for.

Does Joe T. have a last name?

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"I currently read some bad remarks about Writers Lit on some writers blog website, I couldn't believe it. It said you guys were scam artist and all this and that. I must tell you though I have no complaints, Writers Lit helped me a lot in growing as a writer through the whole editing process and has been honest with me so far. To be honest I never thought it would sell. Born of Earth was the first script I'd ever written, so all this is a bit still surreal. But I just wanted to let you know I appreciate everything you have done. Look forward to continue our working relationship." Joe T.

Ah, Born of Earth. That makes the writer Joe Thompson. That went to The Skeleton Factory, the fine folks who brought you Biker Zombies From Detroit. The information I have indicates that the script was actually bought from Script Buddy. Perhaps "Sherry" negotiated the deal. If so, I expect "she" did so badly.



Best regards,
Sherry Fine - VP Acquisitions

Tell me, "Sherry," do you really exist? As a separate human being?

Our Pledge To You:
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* We respect what you have accomplished thus far as a writer.

We haven't read your book. We don't intend to.
* We believe that great authors are made, not born. We are willing to develop talent.

We are willing to cash checks.
* We pledge straight talk in a confusing and old-school industry.
We don't know what we're talking about, but that's okay because we're banking on the fact that you don't know anything about publishing (or you wouldn't be talking to us at all).
* We can't promise a sale. We can promise a professional relationship.
As long as you understand that our profession is "grifter."

p.s. Missed Emails, Spam, Whitelists, and other reasons for lapses in communications. There's an old joke in showbiz that asks the question, "What do you get if you cross an agent with a turnip?" The answer is "A turnip that doesn't return your phone calls." That won't happen with us. We are very, very diligent about returning every email that we receive within a couple of days. The same is true for our vendors and suppliers. IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE A COMMUNICATION AND YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE, PLEASE, CHECK WITH US AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENED. Please don't jump to negative conclusions. The Internet is not 100% foolproof and we are very sensitive to our clients' expectations and our promises about timely communications.

Even automatic filters recognize our stuff as junk.

FINAL NOTE: VERY IMPORTANT: BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR SPAM AND JUNK EMAIL FOLDERS. THE BIG ISPS ARE RECLASSIFYING EMAILS CONSTANTLY. Also, please make a meaningful SUBJECT LINE. We are so deluged with spam that it is tough to pick out the real emails. (sigh).

Trust your spamfilter.

And if you can always try to be sure your first name, last name, and title is in the email somewhere it would be appreciated.

Because we have to personalize the form letters somehow.
 
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Bye New York Literary Agency

I just cancelled my contract with New York Literary Agency. I was not getting what I needed from them. :rant:
 

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Jerrold Neeff is a real intellectual property attorney; he's an adjunct faculty member at Boston University.

I think you should definitely be in touch with him, Uncle Jim.
 

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Thank You!

Your information on this site and on writers beware have saved me from the grief, disappointment and humiliation of dealing with these people. Thank you!
 

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I found this site when i googled the name Georgina Orr. I had written a screenplay and was trying to sell it over the Internet since I live far away in Nigeria and everything seemed too good to be true.

They asked for 95 dollars which seemed too little to be a scam but i'm a broke medical student and decided to investigate anyway.

I'm glad I did! Beware CLA and Georgina Orr was the first thing I saw. Thanks for saving me the money and heartache. It's sad people would try and rip-off someone who is hoping for a break.

Thanks and keep up the good work.
 

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I was lured in and paid for the critique. They then wanted me to pay for editing and then a website. I sent my manuscript before reading this sight. I wish I was smarter last year. Thank you for all I've read on this.
 

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I'm quite devastated... I thought I'd found an agent; in America too!! Alas, not so. I've gone from ecstatic to so bummed out in 4 hours.

Sent my manuscript but they didn't get my money or my soul.

I really don't want to have to tell my mum, husband or friends that it is bogus. I feel ashamed and it's not fair as I did nothing wrong.

I'm just trying to tell myself, it's all fine, and they are real - they wanted me and so will others. Regardless of why they wanted me ($$$), I can really use the ego boost even if it means being in denial!

Besides the joke is on them, because I have no money... just words.
 

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I'm not sure if the person posted on this thread under another username, but just to report, someone on the George Martin fansite Westeros posted about his dealings with Writers Literary Agency -- they responded to his first and only query and he signed with them right away. It's lucky he became suspicious: they already convinced him to pay what turned out to be another branch of their own company (Writers Literary & Publishing Services) for a critique. He's been referred to AbsoluteWrite, Writer Beware, Preditors & Editors etc.
 

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Hi Everyone

I am DEEPLY embarrassed to have almost almost been suckered by Sherry Fine and her cohorts. I sent the manuscript to the WLA and back came all this long, rambling email about how they mainly look for COMMERCIAL VIABILITY in authors and how they quickly 'wash out any writer with a bad attitude'.

I checked them out with a site called
http://www.writersworkshop.co.uk/NYLA.htm. They in turn had checked out the WLA by sending them the full manuscript of Pride and Prejudice, word for word, but retitled D'Arcy's Darling. Guess what! Sherry Fine thought it just needed a little editorial tweaking! Jane Austen - you're just not coming up to WLA's exacting standards!!!
Then to make sure Writers Workshop also sent off the instructions to their dishwasher manual, and called this masterpiece Dish Dish Wash Wash. And WLA thought it had great commercial viability (subject to a little paid editorial tweaking natch)

Thank God for helpful websites that save us newbies from being bankrupt and humiliated.
 

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Then to make sure Writers Workshop also sent off the instructions to their dishwasher manual, and called this masterpiece Dish Dish Wash Wash. And WLA thought it had great commercial viability (subject to a little paid editorial tweaking natch)

I read Dish Dish Wash Wash! It was brilliant. I especially liked how the villian came clean at the end...:D

Seriously, Evie, you've nothing be ashamed of. Welcome.
 

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If you should google the Writers Lit Agency and just happen to not notice the barrage of negative press and warnings that appear, perhaps the way the WLA describe themselves might cause you to ponder the veracity of their credentials. I copy verbatim from the google entry:

Writers Literary AgencyWLA Publishing and Writers Literary Agency is a combination publsiher and Writers Literary Agency. WLA offers lost cost printing and publication of books.
www.writersliteraryagency.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages

I kid you not. A Literary Agency that can't actually spell the word 'publisher' is perhaps not one to take a critique from.
 

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Writers Literary AgencyWLA Publishing and Writers Literary Agency is a combination publsiher and Writers Literary Agency. WLA offers lost cost printing and publication of books.
www.writersliteraryagency.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
That's a different WLA--not related to the agency that's the subject of this thread.

- Victoria
 

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That's a different WLA--not related to the agency that's the subject of this thread.

Imagine being so clueless that you would give your new publisher/literary agency the name of one of the most famous scam agencies out there. That's really something.

I'm changing my name to Dorothy Martha Deering-Ivery von Hullessem right now.
 

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Imagine being so clueless that you would give your new publisher/literary agency the name of one of the most famous scam agencies out there. That's really something.
The other WLA actually pre-dates Robert Fletcher's WLA by a number of years--which is why, when it was buying a domain name, Fletcher's WLA had to settle for www.wlwritersagency.com.

- Victoria
 
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