Would joining the SCA help with my medieval?

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This was suggested to me recently by a casual critique drive-by.

But how authentic is the SCA? Would it help me really 'get a feel' for medieval life or knights or battles, or is it more like just 'playing around'?

No offense intended to any SCA members out there...

{p.s. SCA is "Society of Creative Anachronism"}
 

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I'm not sure that joining it would be helpful for writing better medieval fiction (though by all means do so if it sounds fun). But many SCA members have done a good deal of research on daily life topics (food, names, clothing, weapons, etc) which they have put on the web, and which I have found very useful for learning about the things that academics don't bother with much (or at least, academics who aren't archeologists publishing in tiny, inaccessible local journals). You need to filter a bit, just like with any web source, but there's good stuff available. I find some of it through netserf.
 

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Research is what you need.

The SCA is full of people who do research for a hobby/avocation. Plenty of them are knowledgeable. My armor was made by an SCA member who repairs armor for SEVERAL major museums in America and the world... so there are definitely experts in different areas available.

But you don't have to JOIN the SCA to ask questions.

The internet is an amazing tool that affords near instantaneous access to experts in fields around the world. GOOGLE is your friend. So is absolutewrite.com
 

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Can't speak about the SCA, but as far as participating in living history in general, I think it's an excellent way to cement in one's mind the full-sensory details of a historic experience. Which can be good, or bad if those details are wrong.

I've participated in American Civil War reenactments and at living history museums in my period (19th century), and there are norms at most, which overlap history but also veer far away from it. Occasionally I'll read historical fiction which I can tell is written by a reenactor, because it sounds like a reenactment, with all the typical ahistorical details.

Some living history is designed to be unashamedly about its own modern culture, while other groups do try to focus more on an attempt to recreate the past, though in my period at least, they generally all claim to want to be "authentic," so a lot of skepticism is advised.

If you can keep a level head and constantly tell yourself, based on your own independent research: this wasn't the way it was, or this was the way it was, it can be an incredible experience to actually do, in full-sensory "virtual reality," what someone from your time period did.
 

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I've participated in American Civil War reenactments and at living history museums in my period (19th century)

I've been doing the same off and on for ten years. Unfortunately, I was never able to find employment as a full time reenactor! I still make three or four events a year as my schedule (and wife) permits.

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There is definately value to be had from 're-enacting' any time period.

Things as simple as understanding how armor fits, what it feels like to ride in it. What you can and CANNOT see or do while armored on horseback.

And of course wearing any period costume that is correctly made is invaluable research.

Dining on period meals properly prepared.

Larger 're-enactments' are invaluable for details. I can recall being "shot" in a civil war re-enactment, and as I lay on the field smelling the black powder, hearing the shouts, feeling the horses hooves pound the ground next to me as they charged by... yeah, thats usefull stuff.

Occasionally, at Renaissance Festivals, I can catch a very brief moment - perhaps its the smell and sound of an open forge, a minstrel song, the sunlight in the trees just right...

So yeah, diving into 'living history' is a good way to do hand's on research, but as others have pointed out, its not the sole substitute for BTU's (Butt Time Units) put in on library or online research and source material.
 

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chance to experience long skirts, swords, food, people bursting with knowledge and enthusiasm about their subject, thinking about life in a different time with people who have ideas about it, can only help your writing.

Practical hands on experience is really great for giving your writing depth.
 

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The British Military Historian John Keegan once argued that watching a group of soldiers marching across various pieces of terrain (during the filming of 'War and Peace') provided an insight into how formations moved and what they were capable of.

Keegan is well worth reading. His book 'The Face of Battle' investigates Inherent Military Probability - what was likely to have been the experience - at Agincourt, Waterloo and the Somme.
 

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I think the SCA is a good place to start. First, there are a lot of people who have done the research already and what they don't know, they might know someone who does or where you might be able to find it.

Second, as someone has already stated, the hands-on experience will be invaluable in and of itself. Let me tell you - wearing long skirts and a corset or bodice is a totally different feeling than jeans and a t-shirt.

These days, I spend a lot of time at a living history farm (time period: 1890-1910, emphasis: 1900). I've learned to appreciate how much work goes on at a farm, particularly one where they have to hand grind the grain for their own use as well as for the animals, among other things. Or to look at ice on a lake in winter and think "crop". I've also taken open hearth cooking classes where it takes hours to cook a hot meal. Interesting stuff. I've learned just a tip of the iceberg but it's going to be a great journey.
 

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Thanks for all your comments & suggestions, and sorry it's taken me awhile to say that!

I love to dress up, always have, so I plan to find the one in our area (Rocky Mtns - southeastern/east slope) and visit this summer. Not to sling a sword or anything, but watch and "get the feel."
 

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well, it's about time!

Hey, just wanted to quickie-comment on this thread, in case it might help someone else (better a year-plus later than never, eh? :tongue)

I did visit an SCA chapter last winter, to observe their fighting practices, as well as to attend Candlemas Feast. What a group of wonderful, generous people!! The knights and ladies welcomed me as a writer (and person) and were SO gracious. The warriors eagerly showed me chain, armor, swords, daggers, helmets et al, and their fighting styles.

I also had my hand kissed and bowed over numerous times...not a bad thing at all, ha.

Did it help to handle a sword (albeit a wooden one, thank god, lol!) YES. It felt totally different than what I expected.

Did it help my research? Absolutely! And made me realize there's much, much more to this than I realized. I have yet to actually become a member as yet -- had to put that ms aside for now to finish another.

Thanks, SCA Dragonspine!
 

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One thing you'll find interesting about the SCA is that it's not restricted to one section of Europe. There are people doing authentic Japanese personas, while others focus on the Middle East. English, Scots and Irish are popular, but you can also find French, Spanish, German, etc.

The thing to remember is that there are very different levels of expertise, with some members more committed to authenticity than others. As has been said, evaluate your sources.

Also go here:

www.softwareartist.com/sca.html

for a basic introduction to the SCA.
 
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Congratulations on your new hobby!

I would add that another thing you should keep in mind is that the SCA also has a culture all it's own, which reflects its needs as a twenty-first century organization as often as it re-creates the historical Middle Ages. Steve Muhlberger, a history professor, wrote a paper about it some years back.

SCA swordfighting rules, for instance, make SCA combat significantly different from what we know about historical fights. The rules forbidding wrestling and strikes to the hands ensure that the entire fight happens within a narrower part of the range spectrum. Rattan swords wrapped in duct tape also behave differently from steel ones, absorbing shocks that would cause a steel blade to be deflected and bouncing when steel blades would jam together.

I can sometimes tell when writers have researched their medieval history by going to the SCA and not looking any further. That's a trap to be careful of.
 

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Occasionally, at Renaissance festivals, I can catch a very brief moment - perhaps it's the smell and sound of an open forge, a minstrel song, the sunlight in the trees just right...

Beautifully put, WriteKnight. I always knew I wanted to write a novel set in Cornwall, but I didn't "get it right" until I spent time there. Sometimes you just have to immerse yourself, in order to catch the magic.

I would join SCA myself if Annoying Day Job and writing would allow me the time. The Chicago chapter is very active and a fount of useful information.
 
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There are a fair number of people in the SCA who are, well, more than a little clueless.

But.

Some of the finest, top notch, incredibly well respected medievalists with extremely good scholarly reputations, and historic artisans with international reputations as museum quality restorers and creators are also in the SCA.
 

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SCA swordfighting rules, for instance, make SCA combat significantly different from what we know about historical fights. The rules forbidding wrestling and strikes to the hands ensure that the entire fight happens within a narrower part of the range spectrum. Rattan swords wrapped in duct tape also behave differently from steel ones, absorbing shocks that would cause a steel blade to be deflected and bouncing when steel blades would jam together.

I can sometimes tell when writers have researched their medieval history by going to the SCA and not looking any further. That's a trap to be careful of.

Thank you for the well-meant admonition. I didn't expect the SCA to be the end-all of research, just another facet of it. A start anyway!

Even in practice, the (SCA) warriors/knights often beat the crap out of each other, actually! They laid hard into each other, wooden swords or not. Bleeding, burst knuckles (though they did wrap up their hands etc) and all. They used wooden swords, true, but in their Wars their steel ones -- I think. Maybe I'm wrong.

What impressed me the most, and sucked me into an atomosphere of this period (as portrayed by the SCA I visited), was their character and humble, kind spirits. True courtliness and acting as knightly folk, with true high spirit. But they were fierce in their fighting!

Not sure if I'm expressing it very well! But it gave me a real sense, if not of battle, then of true Courtly behavior and regard for others.
 

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Sigh. Now I need to start looking into the SCA again. Although most of my weekends or at least my Saturdays are generally taken up by hanging out at the local living history farm which is definitely a later period, a lot later.