Stupid long chapters!

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cethklein

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Ever sit and go over a manuscript only to notice you got a bit TOO into writing and forgot to put in a chapter break? The worst part is hen having to pick through said "super chapter" and figure out where to break it up. This happened to me I just noticed, in a long, action-filled chapter. It's so hard to put in a chapter break in the middle of a series of firefights and other action.

*rant over*

Anyone else have this happen recently?
 

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Yes, me just now. Chapter 8 is now 4k words where it should have been 2.5-3k. If it goes over 6000 words then I have to split it.
 

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In my first draft I stick to 15-25 pages per chapter. After I do revisions, I go back through and renumber them, anywhere from 10-25 pages. I think my longest was 30 pages which I was able cut in half.
 

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Done quite a few book signings now. One really common comment I've heard from librarians/other writers/booksellers:

I love short chapters.

I don't believe in writing formulaic novels. The more interesting and unusual the better as far as I'm concerned. But even I like short, brisk chapters. Chapter length seems like an arbitrary thing (and, to be fair, there are writers who don't even use chapters who write extremely entertaining novels), but for some reason (maybe our brains are hard-wired for episodic reading?) they seem to be integral.

I realize this isn't really on-topic, just thought I'd share.
 
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I tend to write chapters that feel too short to me (I've dropped below 2000 words before, numerous times). But occasionally I do get a case of the ramblies so I can sympathise to a certain degree.

For me though, it's often more condensing and less splitting. Tomato, tomahto, they both have their annoying challenges.
 

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I have learned that chapters do not always have to signify a break in a scene. Some authors tend to use chapters as a sort of stopping point for the reader. I tend to use chapters as a devise for enticing my readers to read on...more like a commercial break in a TV show. Sometimes I even employ subchapters, which can sometimes be a single paragraph long.

Slicing that epic chapter into more bite-sized portions often leaves the reader wanting more. The longer the chapter, the more full the reader will feel at the end, and the more likely they will be to put the book down when you provide them with a stopping point.

cethklein,

You said that your long chapter is an action-filled sequence? In my opinion, that is the perfect opportunity to slice and dice. If the action is engaging enough, the situation outrageous enough, I’m pretty sure that most readers will read on. I know that I will. Just make sure you end on a cliffhanger. Especially in an action sequence, it will absolutely drive your reader crazy…in a good way! It might even make your fast paced scene seem even faster, and the next thing the reader knows, they’re getting paper cuts because they can’t turn those pages fast enough.

Give it a shot. Cut right before something is about to happen, or before someone responds to something someone else said. It will make whatever is going to happen next seem big. Maybe it’s not that big…but you’ve still got the reader where you want them: READING! And by reading I mean eyes glued to the page; not counting ahead to see how many pages they have before they can stick their bookmark in the crease and get back to doing laundry.

You’ll probably want to do some re-writing at each chapter start…to make the chapter break seem “natural”, but, hey, there is ALWAYS re-writing to do. :)

Hope that helps.
 

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I never have problems with long chapters. In my mind, when I start, the chapter is about something. When I have finished with that something, the chapter is over. They can be as short as two or three pages. They rarely go over ten. Just the way my mind works, I guess. And even those chapters are often split into scenes. I'm not so good at the cliffhanger ending, mind you. I do try to end on a good strong line or image.
 

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I had this issue with my WIP. Essentially I have one (and only one) POV character who I follow through every scene in the book, start to finish.

Since every scene is from this character's perspective, I can't do what a lot of similar authors do, which is write several related stories from several different perspectives, break them into chapters, and interleave them. See: Mr Martin's ASOIAF.

Thus, I went through the manuscript and picked out places where I thought a "local" climax had been reached. Then I put in chapter breaks just before each climax, forcing readers to start the next chapter without being able to put the bookmark in and go to sleep.

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From a reader's point of view, I think you need to make it two chapters. If I'm reading a book, usually the only time I surface to attend to real life is when a chapter ends. That means, if a chapter is very long, that my renal system may fail, my husband and children may starve, or I may die from lack of caffeine, all because someone couldn't end the chapter a bit sooner! You don't want that blood on your hands, do you? :)
 

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I have learned that chapters do not always have to signify a break in a scene. Some authors tend to use chapters as a sort of stopping point for the reader. I tend to use chapters as a devise for enticing my readers to read on...more like a commercial break in a TV show. Sometimes I even employ subchapters, which can sometimes be a single paragraph long.

Slicing that epic chapter into more bite-sized portions often leaves the reader wanting more. The longer the chapter, the more full the reader will feel at the end, and the more likely they will be to put the book down when you provide them with a stopping point.

cethklein,

You said that your long chapter is an action-filled sequence? In my opinion, that is the perfect opportunity to slice and dice. If the action is engaging enough, the situation outrageous enough, I’m pretty sure that most readers will read on. I know that I will. Just make sure you end on a cliffhanger. Especially in an action sequence, it will absolutely drive your reader crazy…in a good way! It might even make your fast paced scene seem even faster, and the next thing the reader knows, they’re getting paper cuts because they can’t turn those pages fast enough.

Give it a shot. Cut right before something is about to happen, or before someone responds to something someone else said. It will make whatever is going to happen next seem big. Maybe it’s not that big…but you’ve still got the reader where you want them: READING! And by reading I mean eyes glued to the page; not counting ahead to see how many pages they have before they can stick their bookmark in the crease and get back to doing laundry.

You’ll probably want to do some re-writing at each chapter start…to make the chapter break seem “natural”, but, hey, there is ALWAYS re-writing to do. :)

Hope that helps.

Great advice, that pretty much hit the nail on the head, thanks.

Instead of breaking up into new chapters, why not do the ****** break?
You could give the reader mini-breaks within the super-long chapter to catch their breath without having to break into a whole new chapter.

Oh i do that A LOT actually, in fact the chapter in question has about five of those.
 

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As a reader, I like chapter endings that let me stick in a bookmark and go cook dinner. There doesn't seem to be any point in hooking a reader on -- if they got this far, they continue anyway. It annoys me to have no breaks, and if it is done on purpose it feels artificial--more annoying. Don't try to manipulate your readers; if you want respect, give it.

I have very few cliffhanger chapter ends. They do happen where the action picks up, and the chapter would have to drag on for way too long if I didn't choose a point of sudden change to break on. Like, whoa, 6,146 words is enough. Let things go really frantic in the next chapter.

I don't think that a first chapter should be too long. It can give an impression of heaviness. OMG, this is going to be a slow read, eww, to heck with this book. Also I might think that the author has a self-control problem, which would not encourage me to start reading either. Same with too-short chapters. The rhytm gets dinky, it feels shallow.

A chapter is to a scene what a scene is to a paragraph and a paragraph to a sentence. If you know where a paragraph should begin and end, and can control POV, you should be able to create chapters that don't run on...usually--LOL Anyway, what I mean is that a chapter has a function, it is a structural member. It shouldn't be an arbitrary chop.
 

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My current novel favors mostly longer chapters. I've tried the no-chapter approach with a novella, which was different, but also fun - it only had scene breaks. I've never had the where-to-break-a-chapter problem (at least not in a significant form) because I do general chapter outlines most times before I start.
 

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A chapter is to a scene what a scene is to a paragraph and a paragraph to a sentence. If you know where a paragraph should begin and end, and can control POV, you should be able to create chapters that don't run on...usually--LOL Anyway, what I mean is that a chapter has a function, it is a structural member. It shouldn't be an arbitrary chop.
Okay... what about "parts" then? Some authors don't see the point in dividing their work into parts (Part I, Part II, etc.), while others do. Where do we draw the line at which sorts of breaks are necessary in a story?

So I'm gonna go ahead and say chapters, like parts, aren't necessary. Unfortunately, readers expect to see them just because it has often been done that way, even when it doesn't work in the context of a particular story.
 

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Golly... is there really that much of a preference for short chapters among readers? I never really though about it, I guess. I prefer slightly longer chapters. The chapters in my current work in progress are all about 10,000 to 12,000 words. Is that way too long? As a reader, would that bother you?
 

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I personally don't care, as I tend to read a novel in only one or two sittings. Those who like to read them chapter by chapter on coffee breaks tend to prefer about ten to fifteen pages. If your chapters are longer, scene breaks would probably work just as well. I really don't think this is something to lose sleep over.
 

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I suffer from the exact opposite problem. Forbidden Seed(s) has 64 chapters. Most are only 1k-1.5k words or so.

I say, whatever works, but then again, I think that's what I always say.
 

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I always worry that I put in too many *** breaks. This does not stop me or anything, it is only yet another excuse for anxiety about ever sending it off.

Chapters seem to be less problematic. I don't worry about them on the first run through. I put them in, but I know they are not permanent. Before the rewrite(s) I read for pace and renumber.
 

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My chapters have almost exactly the same word count (4280-4320).
 
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