Using words they might not know?

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What do you think about writing a YA novel, one that appeals to 10-14 year-olds, in which there are words some readers won't know? This could be jargon for a particular hobby/industry or even just regular, every day words they might have to look up (not necessarily hard, "grown up" words, but just words they may not encounter in every day life).

This sounds stupid, but hopefully it makes sense. I'd like your responses before I get more specific.
 

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Well, I'd say leave in the jargon unless too many people complain.
 

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Thanks so much for your replies. How often do you think readers in this age group come across words in their books they don't know, and look them up or ask about them if they don't know them?
 

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I think it's a good idea to include words that they may not know. Reading is an excellent way to increase your vocabulary, after all, particularly with kids. And it gives teachers ideas for words for vocab tests :)
 

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When I was a kid I ran across a lot of words I didn't know, but I understood them from the context. If I didn't understand it from the context, I looked it up. A few words kids don't know aren't gonna throw them off. Don't worry about it ^_^
 

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twnkltoz:
What do you think about writing a YA novel, one that appeals to 10-14 year-olds, in which there are words some readers won't know?

I think you should write under the assumption that the readers will know what you're talking about. Otherwise you can get yourself tied up in knots trying to second-guess what teens understand/don't understand. In most cases, I think that readers will be able to follow what you mean even if they don't know the precise meaning of the word given that school curriculums expect them to be able to read and understand 'adult' literature as part of their English courses.

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Thank you all so much. You've made me very comfortable with the decision I made about my book.
 

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I wouldn't worry about it at all. I've found 10-14 year olds understand a lot more words than I do.
 

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What do you think about writing a YA novel, one that appeals to 10-14 year-olds, in which there are words some readers won't know? This could be jargon for a particular hobby/industry or even just regular, every day words they might have to look up (not necessarily hard, "grown up" words, but just words they may not encounter in every day life).

This sounds stupid, but hopefully it makes sense. I'd like your responses before I get more specific.
I would say leave it in, if it fits with the story and is not used to excess. It encourages the young reader to expand their vocabulary and understand the hobby/industry in question better, in my opinion. Sounds like an interesting novel.:)
 

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Explaining what the word means in the context can be helpful, no matter what audience you want.
Ex: He looked at the brights, rounds and liners, not sure which brush would be best.
This lets the reader know three brush types in artists' jargon, though they'd still have to look them up to see them and to know what works for what type of painting technique.
 

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Having words that they might not know, I think is a good idea. It challenges them. I read books all the time where I don't know a word or two. It doesn't bother me and I learn something new.

I remember being in school and the teacher would tell us to write down words we didn't know as we were reading the novel, to find the definition for and learn. I think it's good.
 

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OK, I think I'll give some more details now. The issue I had was a disagreement with the editor on my horsey novel. There were two words (jargon) she didn't know and wanted me to explain them in the story. I was reluctant to do this, because:

a) it would have been awkward
b) knowledge of the word didn't hamper the understanding of the story IMO as well as the opinion of another reader who does not know anything about horses
c) they're easy words to look up (and very common horsey words if you read horsey books)
d) the majority of people who buy this book are likely to either know horses or read enough horsey books that they'd know the words anyway and I didn't want to bore or alienate my readers
e) there could be other words in the book the reader doesn't know, say "exclaim" or "chuckle." Surely I can't anticipate all of them and define them all. It would just get ridiculous...The Series of Unfortunate Events did that, but that was the whole premise of the books, so it worked for them
f) other books in this genre don't define every single word
g) there are scenes later in the book where it becomes clearer what these words mean. I'd be willing to bolster those to make it clearer, because I could do that without bogging down the story, but it would just be awkward where the words first appear.

Any thoughts, given this new information? I wanted to keep it as unbiased as possible for your initial reactions.
 

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How about sharing what the words are. It's hard to help without specifics.

And if teenagers don't know what "exclaim" and "chuckle" mean . . . I'm worried. :)
 

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I just picked two words that are just regular words as an example. Considering some readers could be as young as 9 or 10, there has to be some non-jargon words in the book they don't know. My point is, kids just don't know all the words adults do, so you're bound to have some they don't.

The words in question were "longe" (a means of exercising a horse, where it goes in circles around you on a long line) and "girth" (a band that holds the saddle on by being buckled to the saddle at each end, passing under the horse's belly).

I have a scene where the MC longes a horse and I describe what's happening, and there are several mentions of someone buckling up their girth or unbuckling it and removing the saddle.
 

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I think whether it's jargon or not, using the correct word in the right place is vital. It not only educates those who didn't know the word or show others where that word is properly used, it would often spoil the piece to try to fit in a word or clause that didn't do the work properly. On the other hand, if there is a simple word that does the job perfectly, use it.
 

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I learned most of the 'difficult' words I know from minding the context in which they were written.
 

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I learned most of the 'difficult' words I know from minding the context in which they were written.

Ditto. This was how I acquired vocabulary as a child. (Still do, though not to such a degree.)

When I saw the actual words, however, I had a thought: I wonder if your editor's concern is not so much about a lack of understanding as it is a worry of MISunderstanding.

For instance, when I read "longe," a word I have not come across before, I instantly thought, "Is that supposed to be lunge?" And when I read "girth," I think of the normal use of the word - something like "width."

I don't know if this helps but maybe it could give you an idea or two for clarifying.
 

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Thanks! Lunge and longe are different spellings for the same word and equally acceptable. It's first used in context as something the MC does to horses. Girth is used in context as a piece of tack, so I don't think it could be misinterpreted.

I know it's hard to answer the question without reading the actual book, so I appreciate your thoughts! Hopefully I've clarified enough.
 

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I learned most of the 'difficult' words I know from minding the context in which they were written.

I agree with this. Also, unknown words can be explained by the characters themselves.

"Hold on, I have to put my 'cheaters' on, it's way too bright outside without them." he said
 

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I personally think it's good to throw in a few new words. Just as you don't want to underestimate your readers by making the characters and plot to simple, you shouldn't underestimate them by using simpler language. Besides, what better ways to learn new words than through something they love to do?
 
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