Purple Prose OK for sex scenes?

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I tripped over a site yesterday, after a general search for Dark Erotica.

TONS of writing info here (listed along the right hand side - although some links are only accessible from certain pages it seems - a bit confuzzling).

Anyway - this particular article struck me, because the author seems to be RECOMMENDING the use of what would ordinarily be called 'purple prose' - and the use (over-use?) of adverbs and adjectives.

QUOTE: "Use craploads of Adjectives to describe sensations. THIS is where you use all your purple prose. Make every adjective highly opinionated to get the reader right into the action as though THEY are feeling it. "

On another page from the site (which I can't lay hands this morning for some reason, though I was sure I bookmarked the darn thing *sigh*), she says pretty much the same thing about adverbs - all those 'ly' words we are always told to use sparingly - if at all.

Again, she said it (heavy use of adverbs) would add to the feeling of immediacy and bring the reader INTO the action, making them "feel" what the character is feeling, during that sex scene.

This gal makes her living writing erotica, so I suppose she must know what she's talking about (and has generously shared a TON of 'writing erotica advice' for the rest of us, as I said earlier), so I sure don't want to complain.

I'm curious though, what the rest of you think about this in particular - (ie: use of purple prose) - since it seems contrary to most other writing advice I've read.

IS there a time and place where 'purple prose' is not only OK - but necessary - such as writing sex scenes? Are there other rules that ONLY apply to writing erotica?

How do YOU handle this issue?

Thanks guys,
Sass ;)
 
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I try hard to avoid purple prose in any scene, including sex scenes. Purple prose is bad writing, no matter where it occurs. When I pull what erotica I can reach from here and glance at the sex scenes, I'm not seeing any purple prose, abundance of adjectives, or noticeably bad writing. What I'm seeing is a fair amount of detail, whole sentences on how a particular portion of anatomy looks, and a great deal of internal monologue showing how the POV character is reacting to every stimulus offered, from touch to smell, including backstory and fantasies.

I think they're giving bad advice there, telling you now's the time to lay on the purple with a trowel.

Maryn, who hates that kind of flowery writing
 

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I agree with you Maryn - it surprised me to read those comments, especially when given specifically in 'writing advice' and 'how to' articles.

As always though - I take in what resonates and discard the rest.

I thought it was interesting that her advice would be so contrary to everything else we've learned about writing.

Never having been published (except for short stories, years ago) it made me wonder if there WERE specific rules - (that I've been blissfully unaware of, 'til now )- that you not only CAN - but - SHOULD break when writing erotica.

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Speaking as a reader, not a writer, of Erotic Romance--you start putting purple prose in your sex scene, especially if it's JUST the sex scene, then I'm going to be calling up my friends and reading this passage aloud and LMAO with my friends about how terrible this is. And they will howl along with me and we will have great fun at your expense.

In all likelihood, we'll pass your book around so we can laugh some more until the true pathetic-ness of the situation dawns on us (about 2-3 readings) and then the book goes in the trash because it's too awful to inflict on some unsuspecting stranger.

I know this is what will happen because this is what we've done countless times in the past. As far as this handful of readers are concerned, it's the only excuse for purple prose existing--especially in sex scenes.

Just a couple of cents tossed in from a different POV.
 

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No purple here. Except in the quilts I make. I do love purple in places other than writing.

I do use theme, though, perhaps more in the sex scenes than elsewhere. I generally have a basic sexual fantasy in mind, and I'll use the verbs and sparing adjectives that enhance that theme. I might well have more description in those scenes, but it's not purple description. I think there's a difference between being emotional and sensual in the writing and being purple. You can be either one without being the other (purple w/o being emotional and emotional without being purple).

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Here is the other quote (re: ADVERBS) that I couldn't find earlier:

The Not-So Dreaded -ly Words.
Every once in a while you will hear someone whine that "you shouldn't use words that end in -ly". The "No -ly words!" whiners are usually the same people that say: "Don't use Adjectives!" Think People! How the heck are you supposed to describe something without adjectives? You CAN'T.

The "No -ly Words" rule does not apply to Fiction.

This rule comes from Basic School Grammar - grammar that was intended for NON-fiction, such as Reports and other boring descriptionless education-related or business-related writing.

On the other hand, Fiction THRIVES on description!

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This gal says she is a top-selling novelist for her publisher. I suppose it might boil down to: "To each his own.'

Just so everyone knows - I'm not advocating this as good advice - (I'll stick with the tried & true rules of fiction that we've all learned the hard way).

I just wondered what you thought, and if it was possible I was missing something really obvious about writing erotica.

Sass
 

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Without saying anything specific about a fellow writer (I have specifically NOT clicked the link so I don't know who I'm talking about), being a top seller at a particular publisher may or may not mean much.

There are lots of ways to describe things while sparingly using adjectives. I've never seen "Don't use adjectives", only use them sparingly. And not using -ly words is pretty standard fiction advice! Active verbs are MUCH better than adverbs--"stomped" instead of "walked heavily", for example. (Oh, and if Stephen King says it, I have a hard time disagreeing with it, and he says cut the 'ly words, lol.)

Having said that, I do tend to give myself a little more leeway in both of those departments when it comes to erotic scenes, both because I like it that way and because sometimes it's necessary. When I'm using "stroke", um, elsewhere, for example, I may say he "slid his hand gently over" something, to avoid repetition. Or whatever.

I also don't think I necessarily veer into purple, at least, no one has ever told me I do and it doesn't read like that to me, so... *shrug* Everyone does it differently, depending on audience.

But telling people that no adverbs doesn't apply to fiction bugs me. Because it does. (The main rule that doesn't apply to fiction, IMO, is never starting sentences with and, but, or because, and never ending sentences with prepositions.)

JMO.
 

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I've been delving into a lot of erotica the past couple of weeks to see how it's done on a more hard core level than where I write. I have to say that a bit of purple prose in the hands of a good author can be awesome. On the other hand, I've read more laughable crap in the past few weeks than I have in a long, long time. What really surprised me, however, was the amount of net speak that's beginning to sneak into some of the romantica and erotica that I've read lately. That creeps me out way more than purple prose does.
 

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Meh. It depends on the writer and publisher, but generally I don't see why sex scenes should differ stylistically from the rest of the book.
 

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I try hard to avoid purple prose in any scene, including sex scenes. Purple prose is bad writing, no matter where it occurs. When I pull what erotica I can reach from here and glance at the sex scenes, I'm not seeing any purple prose, abundance of adjectives, or noticeably bad writing. What I'm seeing is a fair amount of detail, whole sentences on how a particular portion of anatomy looks, and a great deal of internal monologue showing how the POV character is reacting to every stimulus offered, from touch to smell, including backstory and fantasies.


And perhaps that's the difference between erotica and pornography, writ short.

I think that overuse of 'purple prose', adjectives and adverbs that describe in minute detail the physical aspects of sex drives that writing ever closer to out-and-out porno. I also think that well-written erotica leaves something to the reader's imagination, and should.

JMHO.
 

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IMHO porn tend to be quite light on modifying language and flowery language, metaphors etc. Romance is, if not purple, quite often a subtle muave-ish shade throughout.