Are blue and pink universal colours representing male and female?

maxmordon

Penúltimo
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 12, 2007
Messages
11,536
Reaction score
2,481
Location
Venezuela
Website
twitter.com
Just wondering if is only on the western culture or is something natural on the human being
 

KTC

Stand in the Place Where You Live
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Mar 24, 2005
Messages
29,138
Reaction score
8,564
Location
Toronto
Website
ktcraig.com
I would have to say YES.

They are so universal, in fact, that they are sickeningly cliche.
 

Chumplet

This hat is getting too hot
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Dec 18, 2006
Messages
3,348
Reaction score
854
Age
67
Location
Ontario, Canader
Website
www.chumpletwrites.blogspot.com
Yeah, that's pretty much it in North America. I don't know about other cultures, though.

When we didn't know whether our child was going to be a boy or a girl, we picked pale green and pastel stripes with all colours.

Clothing was in neutral colours, too. I got lots of pink hand-me-downs when we had a daughter.
 

Menyanthana

Moonflower
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 24, 2008
Messages
160
Reaction score
19
Location
Baden-Württemberg
Actually, this changed at some point in history. Before the change, blue was the female color, red was for males and accordingly the "weaker" forms of these colors were worn by children.

Therefore, I don't regard it as "natural". You can do it in an extraterrestrial culture as a joke, but if you want to write about a non-western society, make sure you do proper research on what colours they use for what.
 

ona

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 2, 2008
Messages
254
Reaction score
65
"One of the most common examples of color symbolism in clothing is the custom of using pink for girls and blue for boys ... but it wasn’t always this way. This tradition emerged at the turn of the 20th century. Since pink was thought to be a stronger color, it was best suited for boys; blue was more delicate and dainty and best for girls. In 1921, the Women's Institute for Domestic Science in Pennsylvania endorsed pink for boys, blue for girls.
Source:Berlin and Kay, When Blue Meant Yellow,.pp. 20 -21)

Even more interesting is the fact that pink is the color for baby boys and blue is the color for baby girls in Belgium today.

Another interesting fact about pink is that pink is a very masculine color in Bermuda. Also, British bankers and barristers have worn pink shirts for decades. Pink goes in and out of fashion in other parts of the world."

http://www.colormatters.com/kids/wear.html
 

ona

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jan 2, 2008
Messages
254
Reaction score
65
See also :

http://webdesign.about.com/od/color/a/bl_colorculture.htm

Google something like "cultural differences colour symbolism" for more. It's a fascinating topic.

Strongly agree with Menyanthana's remarks. Research into *and* experience of the culture you're writing about would be the ideal. Very easy to assume the way one is familiar with is universal, when in fact it's culture-specific.
 

Sassee

Momma Wolf
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 25, 2007
Messages
2,267
Reaction score
449
Location
Thataway
Website
sasseebioche.blogspot.com
Yeah, that's pretty much it in North America. I don't know about other cultures, though.

When we didn't know whether our child was going to be a boy or a girl, we picked pale green and pastel stripes with all colours.

Clothing was in neutral colours, too. I got lots of pink hand-me-downs when we had a daughter.

Nowadays in the US green is being considered a boy color, pastel or otherwise.
 

johnnysannie

Banned
Joined
Feb 22, 2005
Messages
3,857
Reaction score
435
Location
Tir Na Og
Website
leeannsontheimermurphywriterauthor.blogspot.com
Nowadays in the US green is being considered a boy color, pastel or otherwise.

Yellow used to be the traditional "baby" color when you didn't know if you would have a boy or a girl.

I have never thought of "green" as a "boy" color; in fact one of my daughters as a infant looked great in green (and still does) so she had several soft green sleepers.
 

Sassee

Momma Wolf
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 25, 2007
Messages
2,267
Reaction score
449
Location
Thataway
Website
sasseebioche.blogspot.com
Yellow used to be the traditional "baby" color when you didn't know if you would have a boy or a girl.

I have never thought of "green" as a "boy" color; in fact one of my daughters as a infant looked great in green (and still does) so she had several soft green sleepers.

It's a recent thing. Several friends I know who had boys all went with a green color scheme. I think yellow might still be neutral but I mostly see it paired with pink, so it may be leaning towards girl.
 

Shweta

gone
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Apr 21, 2006
Messages
6,509
Reaction score
2,730
Location
Away
I read a thesis about color symbolism (not otherwise published, so I can't point anybody to it) but at any rate, it laid out what different colors symbolized across four or five cultures.

What I got from it was, do not assume anything is universal. Don't even assume black-mourning is universal; in some cultures white is the mourning color.

...Well, okay, I think you can assume that bright colors, in general, are "stronger" than pastels and "happier" than grey/brown muddy colors. But don't assume anything about universals of hue.
 

maxmordon

Penúltimo
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 12, 2007
Messages
11,536
Reaction score
2,481
Location
Venezuela
Website
twitter.com
I read a thesis about color symbolism (not otherwise published, so I can't point anybody to it) but at any rate, it laid out what different colors symbolized across four or five cultures.

What I got from it was, do not assume anything is universal. Don't even assume black-mourning is universal; in some cultures white is the mourning color.

...Well, okay, I think you can assume that bright colors, in general, are "stronger" than pastels and "happier" than grey/brown muddy colors. But don't assume anything about universals of hue.

Exactly because of it I was wondering. I try to make a fictional civilization and try that this one to be more appart from a specific one and I was wondering this one
 

Keyan

ubiquitous
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 8, 2007
Messages
629
Reaction score
264
I read a thesis about color symbolism (not otherwise published, so I can't point anybody to it) but at any rate, it laid out what different colors symbolized across four or five cultures.

What I got from it was, do not assume anything is universal. Don't even assume black-mourning is universal; in some cultures white is the mourning color.

...Well, okay, I think you can assume that bright colors, in general, are "stronger" than pastels and "happier" than grey/brown muddy colors. But don't assume anything about universals of hue.

Quite so. And, in addition, since many of the color prefs would have been set in a pre-industrial era, the cost of a particular pigment or dye, and how easy it was to work with would also have influenced its scarcity value and symbolism.

Blue was Mary's color mainly because it was precious.
 

Keyan

ubiquitous
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Aug 8, 2007
Messages
629
Reaction score
264
It's my understanding that pink is used, or was until recently, for boys in Japan.

I'm not sure where this stands now; there's a lot of pink/ pastel girl stuff, but I also saw young Japanese men pulling pink suitcases or using pink cellphones that would have been defined as clearly girly in the US.