Books of Star Wars and other established things

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I was looking through the bookstore today and I realized that there are alot of books about Star Wars and already established shows and films like Buffy, Angel, Star Trek and many others and I was thinkink how does someone get to right for books like that. Could I for example write a book on Star Wars? or how does a writer go about writing for them. I take it that the George Lucas must get some money from all the books as must the creators of the other series.

Very hypothetically if I were to create something like Star Wars so to speak could I then get people to write books on that series for me.
 

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Here's how you get to write Star Wars (or Buffy, or Star Trek, or SpiderMan, or...) books:

You write and sell one or more books to a publisher. The people who own the license call your agent and say, "Hey, do you think Ty would write a (fill in the blank) novel?"

Your agent, knowing that you can produce a readable manuscript on time, contacts you and asks if you're interested.

You say either "Yes," or "No."

If you said "Yes," the people who own the rights send you a contract, you write the book, you cash the check, they keep the rights and get the profits.

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If it happens some day that you're the original creator of something that might have licensing possibilities, you can license out the property so that other writers can write in that universe, and you keep the rights and get the profits.
 

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Not sure if it's the case with all series, but I'd imagine it is...

The Star Wars brand is sold to publishers and imprints by LucasArts. The publisher tasks editors to the Star Wars series, and, working with LucasArts, they design a generalized story arc. They don't control the writing, per se, but they do decide the overall direction of the series.

Then, they HIRE authors. They actually seek them out. Generally they seek well-known sci-fi and fantasy writers like Timothy Zahn or Kevin J. Anderson to write the novels themselves. Some of the results, such as the Zahn "Thrawn" story arc, are near-genius. Others are very forgettable (some of the "New Jedi Order" books come to mind).

But the short answer is, you can't write a Star Wars book unless they "hire" you to do so.
 

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There are a few guides floating around here and there - I seem to remember someone uploading the whole Quantum Leap novel writer's bible at some point.
 

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You get assignments through your agent. An aquaintance of mine did a Star War book. It wasn't a very pleasant assignment, however.
 

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You get assignments through your agent. An aquaintance of mine did a Star War book. It wasn't a very pleasant assignment, however.

Disclaimer: I'm not interested in writing any Star Wars books.

But I'd be interested to hear more about your friend's unpleasant experience in doing so.
 

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So, even if you're an author with a terrific idea for a SW or Trek novel, you can't do anything with it UNLESS you are contacted by your agent? How do new authors break in to the SW or Trek novels, especially if they don't have agents?

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My immediate snide answer to the question "How does one get media tie-in book assignments?" was "Hang around at conventions and make friends with a current big-name author or editor who handles the property you're interested in." Then I realized that it isn't so snide.

:Lecture: The problem is that, unless one is already on the inside of the information pipeline, it's impossible to know what the publisher/owner group mind is looking for. Or when. Or even if. What you see coming out in the next quarter in Star Wars novels was conceived of a minimum of 18 months ago. Admittedly, the contract may have been around quite a bit less time than that. However, author possibilities, theme/plot/character ideas and restrictions, the overall shape of the tie-in franchise, etc. were the subject of exhaustive (and exhausting) meetings and/or correspondence and/or marathon telephone calls.

So the best solution is to get known as a published and publishable writer who works well to deadline and happens to be a fan (but not a rabid one) of the property in question, and mingle with other published writers of that material. That goes for BtVS, Star Wars, CSI, whatever. And whatever you do, don't beg for the chance! /:Lecture:

:Soapbox: The real problem is that the procedures have changed radically in the last five years, and there are a lot of "old-timers" (none of them frequenting AW) who persist in treating their initial experiences from the 1990s—or longer ago—as somehow reflecting the reality of today. It's even worse than in more-traditional (but not PA!) areas of publishing. Bluntly, if someone is telling you how to break in to publishing, you need to make sure that that person either (a) has done so him/herself within the last three years, or (b) makes it his/her business—preferably professionally, such as an agent, attorney, editor, or hard-core writing advocate like Victoria Strauss —to constantly keep his/her knowledge of what is actually happening now up to date. As a specific example, I recently saw a column by [big-name science-fiction writer] that advocates an approach virtually guaranteed to fail… except for that same writer and his/her coterie. /:Soapbox:
 

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Jaws said:
:Soapbox: The real problem is that the procedures have changed radically in the last five years

Could you expand on that a little? What are the biggest changes you've seen in the last five years? What type of advice have you seen that's now outdated? I'm specifically asking about things which an aspiring novelist might benefit from knowing:D.
 

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Jaws said:
The real problem is that the procedures have changed radically in the last five years, and there are a lot of "old-timers" (none of them frequenting AW) who persist in treating their initial experiences from the 1990s—or longer ago—as somehow reflecting the reality of today.
Jaws gives good advice. Heed him.

As a specific example--there are a number of old timers (some of whom are Big Names) who tell new writers as an item of gospel, "Sell your novel first, then get an agent", or "The kind of agent you can get if you're unpublished isn't the kind of agent you want". Both of these maxims were more or less accurate in the 1970's and early 1980's, when these writers got their start, but they are NOT accurate now. In my opinion, it's simply not worthwhile approaching the large publishers except through an agent (not even the dwindling number of imprints that say they consider unagented material). And the notion that successful agents won't consider new writers is nonsense. Everybody's looking for the next J.K. Rowling.

- Victoria (always hard-core)
 

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My immediate snide answer to the question "How does one get media tie-in book assignments?" was "Hang around at conventions and make friends with a current big-name author or editor who handles the property you're interested in." Then I realized that it isn't so snide.

:Lecture: The problem is that, unless one is already on the inside of the information pipeline, it's impossible to know what the publisher/owner group mind is looking for. Or when. Or even if. What you see coming out in the next quarter in Star Wars novels was conceived of a minimum of 18 months ago. Admittedly, the contract may have been around quite a bit less time than that. However, author possibilities, theme/plot/character ideas and restrictions, the overall shape of the tie-in franchise, etc. were the subject of exhaustive (and exhausting) meetings and/or correspondence and/or marathon telephone calls.

So the best solution is to get known as a published and publishable writer who works well to deadline and happens to be a fan (but not a rabid one) of the property in question, and mingle with other published writers of that material. That goes for BtVS, Star Wars, CSI, whatever. And whatever you do, don't beg for the chance! /:Lecture:

:Soapbox: The real problem is that the procedures have changed radically in the last five years, and there are a lot of "old-timers" (none of them frequenting AW) who persist in treating their initial experiences from the 1990s—or longer ago—as somehow reflecting the reality of today. It's even worse than in more-traditional (but not PA!) areas of publishing. Bluntly, if someone is telling you how to break in to publishing, you need to make sure that that person either (a) has done so him/herself within the last three years, or (b) makes it his/her business—preferably professionally, such as an agent, attorney, editor, or hard-core writing advocate like Victoria Strauss —to constantly keep his/her knowledge of what is actually happening now up to date. As a specific example, I recently saw a column by [big-name science-fiction writer] that advocates an approach virtually guaranteed to fail… except for that same writer and his/her coterie. /:Soapbox:

I don't know, I've been in and around publishing for a lot of years, and I can't see where anything has really changed all that much, whether with traditional publishing, or with tie-ins such as Star Wars and the like.

Now, I've never written a Star Wars novel, and never will, but I know writers who wrote them ten years ago, and I know writers who are writing them right now, and very, very little has changed.

Nor has traditional publishing changed much. At least not in any way I can see. I do still publish with traditional publishers, and have since the eighties. The ONLY real change I've seen is the greater necessity for having an agent now. But finding an agent was always the best route, and even today it isn't absolutely necessary. I encounter several writers every year who break in without one.

I hear from a great many that it's harder than ever for a new writer to break in, but I don't believe this for a second. If it were harder than ever, we wouldn't have a record number of first novelists breaking into print with traditional publishers.

Breaking into publishing is no different now than it was when I first broke in many years ago. You write a novel that an agent thinks a publisher will want, and a novel that a publisher thinks will sell enough copies to turn a profit.

I've sat in on slush pile readings, both agent slush piles and publishing house slush piles, I've sat in on the process of deciding which novels to buy and which to reject, and by and large, I've seen very few changes that matter in the last twenty-five years, especially when it comes to first novels.

The real change in publishing has come from the distrubution end, and the power of the chain bookstores. Some of these changes are serious, and need to be dealt with, but they really don't affect the editorial process with first novels.

If there's a serious problem on teh publishing side, it's that it's now too easy for a first time novelist to break in. Publishers are buying far more novels than they should in an effort to find the next Stephen King or Tom Clancy, and this makes it harder to stay in print than it used to be. But breaking into print is quite likely easier than it's ever been.

There's more competition, but as always, most of it just simply isn't any good, and despite the number of writers around today, you can still spend an incredible amount of time wading through slush piles without finding anything you really want to publish.

Good novels sell. It's as simple as that. If you can write well, if you can tell a story that will entertain, and fill it with characters that come to life, breaking into priont is one of the easiest thinsg possible. It's always been this way, it's still this way, and it probably always will be this way.

Now, contacts never hurt, and can frequently help. Contacts have always been helpful. But they will not get you published. Only a good novel, or at least a novel an agent and editor thinks is good, will get you published.

As for the information pipeline, it isn't closed in any sense of the word. If you can land an agent, she's already inside it, and if you can't land an agent, being inside it probably won't do you any good, anyway. But it isn't that difficult to learn what's happening in publishing, and you can get inside the pipeline if you really want to. It's a fairly small matter to learn what publishers want right now, and what their projected needs are for the next couple of years. These needs change, of course, depending on what the market does, but even a beginning writer can learn as much about what's happening in publishing as can an agent or an editor. None of the information in the pipeline is secret.

But I can tell you exactly what any publisher will want in eighteen months. They'll want the same thing they want today: a novel they can't put down because it's too good a read.

There are no dead genres, there are only genres that are stagnant because no one has written a novel in that genre that stands out.

I'd listen to the old-timers, if I were you. I see them give advice often, and by and large, those who listen are the ones who break into print. Publishing may have changed in many ways, but it hasn't change a whit in the ways that matter to a new writer. You just write a novel that good, that's entertaining, and that an agent or editor can't put down. If you do, you're in, if you don't, you're out.
 

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underthecity said:
So, even if you're an author with a terrific idea for a SW or Trek novel, you can't do anything with it UNLESS you are contacted by your agent? How do new authors break in to the SW or Trek novels, especially if they don't have agents?

utc

How do new/unagented writers break in? They don't.

And if you have a terrific idea ... keep it for your own work. The folks who own the Star Wars/Star Trek/Whatever franchise have their own terrific ideas -- they don't want yours.
 
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Jamesaritchie said:
Nor has traditional publishing changed much. At least not in any way I can see. I do still publish with traditional publishers, and have since the eighties.
Respectfully, I very much disagree. Commercial or trade publishing (there's really no such thing as "traditional" publishing; that's a term invented by the new-style vanity publishers to obscure the difference between their business model and that of commercial publishers) has changed hugely since the eighties, in ways that very much have an impact on new writers.

- While there are some areas of the market where it's still possible to go unagented--romance, mostly, but also nonfiction and children's books--an agent really is essential for writers in other genres looking to find publication with one of the large houses. It's true that a few do break in on their own. Editors love to tell stories about this as much as writers do. But the overwhelming majority of new writers who find first publication with a large house do so through agents. While I'd agree that good, marketable writing is more likely to sell than not, getting published still is a crap shoot in terms of timing and access. Those are the odds that agents are able to diminish. Even with an agent, you may not find publication--but if approach the larger houses without an agent, you're significantly handicapped.

- The massive conglomeration of publishing in the 1980's and 1990's and the huge rise in the number of books being published (I don't know the exact stats, but I'd suspect the output of books from commercial publishers last year was something like double what it was in the early eighties) have vastly changed the situation for new writers. Some form of self-promotion--something that wasn't even in most writers' vocabulary before the 1990's--is now pretty much expected. Because the vast number of books vying for readers' attention has made it difficult for any new writer to find an audience, average print runs for new authors have dwindled, even as sales expectations have become more demanding. I don't even think it's competition that's the problem, as in enormous numbers of books competing for a market; it's diffusion that's the problem. There is just too much product.

- Another consequence of conglomeration is a dwindling number of publishing possibilities for new writers. Through the early eighties, most major publishers were what we today would consider independents. If one turned you down, you could approach another. But in some of the big houses now--theoretically at least--if one of the imprints in a division turns you down, you can't submit to any of the others. So a no from Imprint 1 in Publishing Division A at Big Publisher X is also a no from Imprints 2, 3, and 4--where Imprints 1 through 4 all used to be independent publishers.

- I agree that it's essentially no harder to break into publishing now than it ever has been, though the process of doing so has changed. However, it's very hard nowadays to stay in publishing. Conglomeration has driven a fundamental change in the way writers are regarded by their publishers.Through the early eighties, stable sales and good reviews were usually enough to guarantee a continued writing career. That's no longer true. Writers who don't show rising sales over the course of several books, or whose sales begin to drop, may find they're unable to sell another book. So you can break in as easily as you ever could with Novel 1, and you can even publish Novel 2 and Novel 3--but Novels 4 and 5 and 6? It's an open question.

- The role of the editor has changed. Conglomeration has downsized the number of working editors (even as the number of published books continues to increase) and put editors under increasing pressure to produce profitable books. Editors are now so occupied with administrative tasks that many are forced to do their actual editing at night and on weekends. The days of Maxwell Perkins spending months or years with a disorganized genius like Thomas Wolfe to bring publishable shape to a brilliant mess of a manuscript are mostly gone. Also, most editors can't make independent buying decisions now--things have to go through committees and be approved by marketing departments. All of this time crunching and attention to financial bottom lines probably doesn't make so much difference for writers of commercial fiction, but for writers of quirky, literary, and cross-genre works it makes things quite a bit more difficult.

(In a way I hate to say that, because it feeds into the new writer's myth that unconventional work doesn't have a chance in today's clone marketplace [never mind that most of the writers who make this complaint are seriously overestimating themselves]. But most myths have at least a kernel of truth--and in the profoundly transformed atmosphere of present-day big publishing, where the days of the "gentleman's business" are little more than a memory and the money a book is projected to make is now one of the most important considerations in whether or not to publish, a worthy but not obviously commercial book has a tough time.)

All of this sounds very doomy and gloomy, I know. But publishing has always been a tough business. It's just that it's tough nowadays in a rather different way. Writers who have set their sights on the big houses need to be realistic about the challenges they face. Also, I think there's a great deal of hope in the thriving world of the independent press, which seems to be taking up some of the slack in terms of providing homes for less conventional or less commercial work. And of course, the independents will still mostly consider unagented writers.

- Victoria
 

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However, one of Mr. Ritchie's comments really stuck in my craw, because it's completely inconsistent with what I experience dealing with this nonsense (and the fallout from it):
As for the information pipeline, it isn't closed in any sense of the word. If you can land an agent, she's already inside it, and if you can't land an agent, being inside it probably won't do you any good, anyway. But it isn't that difficult to learn what's happening in publishing, and you can get inside the pipeline if you really want to. It's a fairly small matter to learn what publishers want right now, and what their projected needs are for the next couple of years.
Hogwash. Or something a lot stickier and nastier to step in. It is extraordinarily hard to both get inside the pipeline and know what parts of the contents are sewage and what parts are the water of life. Of course publishers want well-written books that will sell. But that's not the kind of information one might get out of the pipeline.
As a case study, consider YA/children's fantasy. Bluntly, the Harry Potter books couldn't have been published in the mid- to late 1980s. They almost weren't in the mid- to late 1990s, either. That has, however, led to a tsunami of warmed-over child-wizard-at-school interminable fantasy series that typically ignore everything except "being the next Harry Potter" (which is particularly ironic given the works of Jane Yolen, Diane Duane, and a couple of others from looooong before Rowling). At this time, most editors I have spoken to who work in this area are so burned out on the concept that they don't want to read more. However, you're not going to find that information in any of the routinely cited general sources.
I won't go on farther. Perhaps Mr. Ritchie's experience is different from mine. That does happen. However, I think his response was a bit misleading in the aggregate, particularly in media tie-in fiction (an area with which I'm far more familiar than I want to be, and not just at one company), as it persisted in redefining some terms.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
If you can write well, if you can tell a story that will entertain, and fill it with characters that come to life, breaking into priont is one of the easiest thinsg possible.
These days, you need to be able to write a good query letter (and synopsis). You could argue that someone who writes well should be able to do so no problem, but I'd disagree. It's difficult to distill a novel length work down to one paragraph, or to one line, as some agents demand. Also, it requires turning yourself into a ra-ra salesperson, and not everybody has the personality for that. For smaller presses, what you've written may still be true (though even some of those want just a query letter and synopsis on initial contact), but for the larger houses, it's not enough anymore unless you don't mind your manuscript sitting in a slush pile for god knows how long.
 
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