Writing that second novel=good for editing?

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So, after finishing my first novel, I got caught up in a cycle of editing and obsessing over the query. Finally, I had to force myself to step back from the first novel and work on other projects.

One of the projects was an unrelated novel that I've now put on hold because of lack of inspiration. And one was a sequel to the first novel, mostly for fun (and for my husband, who really wants to know what happens next)

Anyways, now that I'm well into the sequel and writing every day on it, I'm getting more clarity on what needs to be fixed in my first book. I've also noticed that I'm not making a lot of the mistakes that I made while writing my first book.

Part of this was reading a great book on editing, and lurking on the SYW work boards here and doing some critiques myself. Part of it was editing my own work and learning what I do on a regular basis so I now know what to avoid.

It's just interesting how the process seems to be working for me. Has anyone else found that it's easier to write a better first draft the second time around? Or that writing something new helps with editing your project in editing?
 

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My first book was tuition. My second was graduate school and my third got published. I think the more you do it and I mean finishing and polishing each novel- the better you get at it.
 

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Like with anything else, I think writing gets easier the more your practice it and learn the craft. That's true to rewrites, editing, first-drafts...
 

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After I finished writing and editing my first book, I was told to delete it and write it again. Not that my adviser had read the story. He said writers should always do that.

Well, I didn't do that. I was not brave enough. But I looked at my work in a different light. I was a lot more brutal and made drastic changes to anything I felt was not quite right. It worked. My first two stories are being published in Australia, USA and Canada.
 

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I seem to be writing a worst first draft of my second novel, because I realized I spent altogether too much time polishing a lot scenes in my first novel to a high gloss, only to later cut them. So I'm OK with letting my current first draft be a bit sloppier.
 

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My first book was tuition. My second was graduate school and my third got published. I think the more you do it and I mean finishing and polishing each novel- the better you get at it.


I agree. Though I haven't stepped into that attempting-to-publish mode yet. I think I need a cattle prod.
 

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My first book was tuition. My second was graduate school and my third got published. I think the more you do it and I mean finishing and polishing each novel- the better you get at it.
I agree with this. I trunked my first. Tried to publish my second, only to realize it's unpublishable. Now I'm polishing up my third and crossing my fingers that third time's lucky, or the charm, or just good enough, I guess.
 

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When I started my first novel, it wasn't my first writing PROJECT... I'd done lots of stories as gifts for friends or to satisfy my own itch to write. But when I sat down to actually write a novel I intended to publish, I underestimated how much work would go into it. About five chapters in, I picked up my inertia and started to really pick things apart and go back and reread every chapter several times over before moving on to the next. Or whenever I was stuck, I would go back to what I'd already written. I rewrote the first chapter several times (three, I think), which led me to question other things that also got revised/deleted. And once it was completed, I went over it again and again. I've come to the conclusion that no matter what, if I look at this novel every day for the next hundred and ten years, I will always find something to revise/change. So I've come to a point of just being content with what I have as I query it out.

I don't think it takes a second novel to come to your point. I think that beginning another novel may have just been the snowball you needed to kick some other things in motion with your first project. This is a long response, but the short answer is, I think you've got a good thing going. Enjoy it ^_^
 

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After I finished writing and editing my first book, I was told to delete it and write it again. Not that my adviser had read the story. He said writers should always do that.

Yikes. I don't think I like that advice. I agree that the first draft is never the final story, but when I think of how much good stuff I'd have lost if I deleted it and wrote it again? No way! :)
 

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I've heard that advice too, but I wouldn't take it. I would definitely reread and revise it. And to be frank, if your first novel, plot and premise and all, was a total piece of crap, I would rewrite the entire thing, taking your best ideas from the first draft and making better use of them. Not to say that your first novel is a piece of crap, of course. ^_~ I think that piece of advise also implies that your first novel is your first experience with writing. If it's not the first time you've taken on a project of that or a similar nature, keep that in mind too.

Yikes. I don't think I like that advice. I agree that the first draft is never the final story, but when I think of how much good stuff I'd have lost if I deleted it and wrote it again? No way! :)
 

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My first book was tuition. My second was graduate school and my third got published. I think the more you do it and I mean finishing and polishing each novel- the better you get at it.

How long did this process take from starting your first until finishing the revision of your third to submit it?
 

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Well, I trunked my first three novels. It didn't hurt as much as I thought it would. I still love the characters, but I'll admit the books were rubbish.

I've written another five since then, and I'm only now starting to get some tentative nibbles with the third of those. *shrug* maybe I'm just a slow learner. *Grin* But, every novel has been an improvement on the one before, first draft-wise. So yeah, editing and constant writing does pay off.
 

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I'm researching and thinking about a sequel to my first book as I let the first draft marinate. I'm very glad I'm doing so, because now I'll be able to revise the first WIP to set up the second one better. If nothing else, one character is getting a gender change.
 

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It's just interesting how the process seems to be working for me. Has anyone else found that it's easier to write a better first draft the second time around? Or that writing something new helps with editing your project in editing?
Groan. I wish. I'm wrestling with my current WIP every bit as much as I wrestled with the first. It would have been much easier if I'd stayed with the medieval period but I didn't. Ancient Babylon bites:rant:
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Very few "debut novels" are really first novels. In fact, very few "debut novels" are second novels, either. There's plenty of exceptions, but a disproportionate percentage of published novelists in the latter decades of the 20th century seen to have made it into print on their third (example, Michael Connelly) or fourth (example, Stephen King) completed novel.

I don't know why people expect their first novel to be publishable--few people accomplish something of commercial and/or artistic import the first time they try it. Would you expect an orchestra to clamor to premiere your first composition? Would you expect a gallery to want to show your first large-scale oil painting? Would you expect that the first piece of woodworking you ever attempted to be put on display in a craft museum?

I'm not saying you shouldn't write your first novel with all the seriousness and craft you can muster. But you also shouldn't be surprised if it isn't snapped up--or even worthy of being submitted.

My debut novel was my fourth novel. (And now, weirdly, the second novel I wrote is being published after the fourth I wrote.)

I don't think it ever gets easier, because as your skills improve you tend to raise your own bar. But, as Orion says, I do believe you get better.
 

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I'm not saying you shouldn't write your first novel with all the seriousness and craft you can muster. But you also shouldn't be surprised if it isn't snapped up--or even worthy of being submitted.

My debut novel was my fourth novel. (And now, weirdly, the second novel I wrote is being published after the fourth I wrote.)

I don't think it ever gets easier, because as your skills improve you tend to raise your own bar. But, as Orion says, I do believe you get better.

I think you're right about the first novels thing. As much as I am approaching these first two with all intentions of getting published, I'm also pretty sure they won't get there. But I'm having a lot of fun writing them.

And you're right-it doesn't get easier. It actually feels more difficult writing this time around because I'm more conscious of the mistakes I made the first time around, but it also feels like I'm better able to avoid the mistakes that were pointed out by some of my critiquers, and I'm really able to see the bigger picture. With the first novel, I just sort of wrote it for fun without any idea of where it was going to end. I just had vague ideas for scenes I wanted to see in it. Yikes.

But it turned out okay after a lot of work, and hopefully with more work it will be GREAT.

In the meantime, I'm stocking up on my writing and hopefully I'll get to the point where it is publishable.

That's also awesome that your second novel is now being published. I really do think that writing more and starting a new project gives you the clarity to go back and make previous projects publishable. Not always, but sometimes.

Anyways, thanks to everyone for the feedback. It's interesting to see the process unfold and to watch my writing evolve (at least, I hope it's evolving). Though I've been having a 'bad writing' week where everything feels crappy and my inner editor is way too loud with his naysaying. But I'm still writing through it. For now, instead of editing chapter by chapter, I'm writing all the way through and then I'm going to do a big round of edits when I finish the first draft. That way, I won't spend so much time polishing scenes that will get cut, as Devil mentioned.
 
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