"Send to Submissions Department"--AAARGH!

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At the moment I am trying to research UK agents for submission, and I have to say it is a PITA!!!! Last year I researched US agents and it is far easier and also more enjoyable. So many of them have blogs or try in other ways to be helpful to querying authors. Not so over here!

It's as if UK agents deliberately hide behind a high wall of obscurity. Google a particular agent, and all you find is a listing somewhere with the kinds of books they represent, or a client list. Hardly anywhere a personal declaration so you can get to know that agent even a little bit. On the agent websites, usually simply a list of their agents with their background and history. This tells me nothing as to which one might like my novel. In some cases, not even a photo! Photos tell me a great deal. Sure, you cold read some of each agent's repped books to get a feeling for their taste, but how long would that take? As it is, I scan their author lists to see if I know and like any of their authors. Often, though, I only recognize one or two of the authors.

I've been in the agent research business for at least three years now, and the only UK agents I could tell you anything at all about are the two that I have personally had, and two others: Darley Anderson, who is the agent of a bestselling author who once gave me a referral, saying he was great. And he IS great. He rejected me, but actually called me up and spoke to me for a whole hour giving me advice!

And the other is Simon Trevin, who has written a couple of articles which are on the internet.

Everyone else: nada. Just names. On the agency websites, they tell you to Submit to the Submissions Department. So that means you have to address your submission to "Dear Agents", or what? Or just pick one at random, one who deals with your kind of stuff?

Occasionally, as in the case of small, one agent agencies, they do talk a bit about themselves; this agent (edited for non-googability), for instance. But for the most part they are books with seven seals!

Anyway, I started by picking two from big agencies who handle my genre and whose photos speak to me. But those two criteria are mighty thin.

The good thing is that in the UK you send in a whole submission package in the first instance so you don't have to torture yourself with a great query; the first paragraph and page is more important. But who to send that package to?

As an example, look at these submissions guidelines for the agency Conville and Walsh. Look at their agent list, how little is said. In this case, I would probably submit to the only woman, as my book is women's fiction. But so little is said about that woman, and what she likes!
Or David Higham Associates. They have several female agents (assuming I do choose according to gender, having little more to go on!) But apart from the photos all they do is list authors.

OK, rant over!
 
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I mentioned Simon Trewin above... I just googled him and guess what, he now even has his own website, with a blog! Yay! However, i don't think he is right for me. :)

(However, the blog is really just posts about his clients... good for them!)
 
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European agents are nortoriously web shy, as the industry tended to be very book-fare oriented and personal networking was everything. My agent for example, has no interest in my mentioning her name here or her agnecy, in fact asked me not to because she is swamped with submissions all the time. I don't know why this is but I did wonder if it was because European authors used to be more inclined to sub publishers rather then have an agent?

With most of the bigger pub's here now no longer accepting unagented subs I believe this situation is slowly changing.
 

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The one thing that makes a positive difference in approaching UK agents is that most of them are OK about you phoning them to ask about their submissions requirements and what they are looking for, some positively encourage you to do so.
 

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European agents are nortoriously web shy, as the industry tended to be very book-fare oriented and personal networking was everything. My agent for example, has no interest in my mentioning her name here or her agnecy, in fact asked me not to because she is swamped with submissions all the time. .

Yes, I think that generally American agents are simply more aggressive about the whole thing, in competition with each other to get the best authors first. Not so in Britain; it's sort of like an Old Boys or Old Girls Society, where they believe that the best authors will somehow be referred to them by someone they already know. Frustrating!

The one thing that makes a positive difference in approaching UK agents is that most of them are OK about you phoning them to ask about their submissions requirements and what they are looking for, some positively encourage you to do so.

Trouble is, I am not a phone person. I would rather strangle myself than cold call an agency!
 

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"Trouble is, I am not a phone person. I would rather strangle myself than cold call an agency!"

I'm that way too, but you know there's a good chance that the person who answers the phone is just a receptionist or assistant, especially with large agencies. So there's really not much to be intimidated about, not that that keeps me from getting nervous. Well in any event it's nice to know I'm not alone. :)
 

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In the smaller and middle-sized agency I often ended up speaking to the agent
 

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Look at authors instead!

If your book is similar to that of another UK writer, see if that person has a website with a contact address.

"Dear John Connelly,

I am an aspiring writer and trying to find an agent in the UK. I was hoping you might part with the name of your representative.

Thank you for your time, ___ "

Of course if you're a FAN of that writer, a few sincere words of admiration are not out of place. Also, you don't trouble the writer with a summation of your brilliant work.

("I have to let you know how much I enjoyed ___. The character of __ just blows me away, and I can't wait to read the next one!")

Another option is to call/email the UK publisher of the writer and ask "May I have the name and contact information for Val McDermott's agent?"

There's usually someone in the office with that information. Keep it brief and professional. You don't have to mention you're trying to sell a book--it's a good idea to leave this information out altogether!

If several of the writers you want are in the same house, have their names in front of you, pen in hand, and ask about their agents as well.
 

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Yes that is a good idea. What I usually do is google the names of authors I like or who write similar books to mine, and very often the agent's name comes up.
Today I bought a copy of "Writer's Market UK 2008", which is similar to Writers and Artists yearbook, but new. I've already got a whole lot of info just glancing at a few agents' entries there.
For instance, this agent's website has been under construction since the beginning of time but in that book she has almost a whole page of info. I queried her several years ago and she wanted a full, but mine was on an exclusive elsewhere. Her interests match my ms.
 
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I don't know, Aruna. It actually sounds like a plus more than a minus to me. With the more basic information, I'd feel much less expectant pressure to jump through the increasingly narrow hoops to make sure I researched to the nth degree in fear of offending someone by stepping on the boundary of guideline number 322.

Honestly, if the agency makes fine sales and represents in the wide area that would include your book, then the material can stand for itself.

It sounds like bliss to me.
 

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I don't know, Aruna. It actually sounds like a plus more than a minus to me. With the more basic information, I'd feel much less expectant pressure to jump through the increasingly narrow hoops to make sure I researched to the nth degree in fear of offending someone by stepping on the boundary of guideline number 322.

Honestly, if the agency makes fine sales and represents in the wide area that would include your book, then the material can stand for itself.

It sounds like bliss to me.

Well, we'll see how it works out! The thing that most bothers me is the "Dear Agent" letter. I need a name, even if it is only the receptionist!
 

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A phone call will solve that. Go for it, Lady. Your talent will carry you and all this is, is a pass for a load of tedious hair-splitting.

Will wait here for your good news.
 

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It might be a long wait. I'll get you a
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Hey hon!

First shout out to Darley Anderson, yay!

Second, I know EXACTLY what you are going through.

Third, phone them! It's very nerve wracking, but just write down a little speech ahead of time and you'll be fine. Now I know you've probably gone off to do just that, but let me give you my littel prepared dialogue I used when I called almost every single agent out of a list of 15 in order to find out the names. You are free to steal it from me.

Ehem: "Hello, I was wondering if you could give me the name of the person to whom I should address my submission package"

"John Smith"

"Thank you so much for your time."

Done and done! The only problem comes when they ask who you are, and then suddenly pass you over to the agent himself and you wind up having a conversation with them. That was terrifying!
 

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Good lord, the idea of just being able to send agents my ms and have them decide whether they like it or not-- I would swoon with ecstacy! *does an experimental swoon*

I don't have to mention the intense complexity of my list to query US agents right. The one of 49 agents no two of whom want exactly the same thing (all right a slight exaggeration -- but not by much!) And the DEBATE! Will they be OFFENDED (for heavens sake) if I send them a 5 page writing sample or a synopsis? Good lord. It's ridiculous. (Sorry. End of rant.)
 
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Yes I have to say that when I learned (after I had got my UK agent) that in North America decisions were often based on query letter alone, I was SO happy that I had done the agent hunt while in the UK. It seems so civilised to be able to submit a cover letter (not a query letter, cover letters are way less complicated), a one page synopsis, and the first three chapters.

Not saying that the query letter way doesn't work. I totally get that for the most part an agent can tell from a query alone a lot about the author, but the panic, the fear, the frustration that goes into preparing a query . . . man it's a lot of stress, and I am glad I knew nothing about it all when I was looking for an agent. I was woefully ignorant, or rather, blissfully ignorant I should say.
 

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I must agree, I find the European way of approaching agents much less taxing, though the lack of e-sub's makes the process very expensive. And Aruna, don't be afraid to call, I'm so not a phone person, but after the first two calls you get kinda hardened to it and I have never, not ever been treated with anything other then kindness and respect on the phone so go for it ;0)
 

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Thank you all for your encouragement! I really do need to overcome my phone phobia.

Actually, I think I found my perfect agent. She's the one whose website is under construction, but whose details are in that book. A few years ago she asked for a full from me for another book but it was out on an exclusive and after that I gave up and never sent it. She accepts email queries and even phone queries! I already sent her my email query so let's see what happens.
 

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Moral of this Thread: What you're searching for often turns out to be right there in front of you. So lay down those binoculars, folks, and start using your naked eyes to unearth what you're after.
 

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Moral of this Thread: What you're searching for often turns out to be right there in front of you. So lay down those binoculars, folks, and start using your naked eyes to unearth what you're after.
Well, I might think she;s perfect for me, but if she thinks I'm perfect for her is a different story!!!!
 

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Update:
First choice agent has replied. She has read the partial with "great interest", and asked for the full. However, she is going to be away for a week and I should not realistically expect a decision till the end of March. How many other agents are considering? Please let her know if I get an offer.

Fingers crossed. As many as possible.

Meanwhile a couple days ago I met up with another authors who writes similar novels to mine. She was with one of the top agents mentioned above, who recently walked out and formed his own agency with a group of disgruntled agents. She has not been happy with this agent for some time and took the opportunity to look for, and find, another agent. That other agent would also be fine for me and is my second choice. The author has moved a bit more in publishing circles tan I have and has a bit of lowdown on various agents and will be advising me, in case Number One falls through.