Stock Markets, Rogue Trading, and a Ginormous Debt

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Stock Markets, Day Trading, a Ginormous Debt (and a Mortgage)

OK, I have to confess, I don't know jack shit about big finance, the stock market, and the like.

But my MC was married to a guy who was into that stuff, got himself into BIG Trouble, then committed suicide, leaving her with a huge debt. She is as clueless as to what went on as I am. All she knows is that he made her sign some documents, and now she has this huge debt hanging over her head.

The details of what the ex-husband did are not important, that is not the main thrust of the story, but I have to summarize them credibly enough to bring to life her present situation: working hard at a badly paying job, and this unpayable debt. I'm not talking multimillions here, it has to be realistically huge for her life to be miserable, so I think about £500000/ $1 million.

Can you help me devise a scenario in which the husband gambled and lost? You can give him any role you want -- stock market trader, banker who took risks with his company's money, anything just as long as it is plausible.

The story is narrated in first person by the MC's 19 year old daughter, who herself doesn't know exactly what went on. But I need to know!
 
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If you want to get into amounts of money that the guy wouldn't have available (IE, he's got X dollars to his name and loses 10X), then I'd suggest looking into stock "puts" or "calls." I suggest these "options" because one only needs a relatively small percentage of the money up front, say 10%.

I'm not an expert on the subject, but there's a suggestion of one direction you can go.
 

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Two basic, simple scenarios:

He overplayed the stock market -- invested in a sure thing that was bound to give an excellent return, but trading went badly and the company collapsed. The thing is, he didn't just invest and lose their money, he used this as collateral to borrow a much bigger amount, and invested that too. The people he borrowed from want their money back.

He bought an "interest" in something, a share -- let's say a nightclub or casino just to give us something solid to focus on -- that didn't work out. Maybe mismanagement of funds, or withdrawal of other money sources as his "partners" saw cash-flow problems coming and got out fast, or deliberate fraud, left him high and dry and responsible for paying creditors (the builders/developers who supplied the workforce and materials that have still to be paid for).

-Derek
 

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Thanks... excellent suggestions! Makes it all much more concrete.
I forgot to mention--for a couple years it all went well. They had an expensive loft in Docklands, posh cars, everything. Then it all went bust, mum and daughter moved down to a semi-detached in South London.
 

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Thanks... excellent suggestions! Makes it all much more concrete.
I forgot to mention--for a couple years it all went well. They had an expensive loft in Docklands, posh cars, everything. Then it all went bust, mum and daughter moved down to a semi-detached in South London.

So was he paying his taxes? HMRC have a lot of rights to collect on his estate if he died owed them a large wad.
 

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In 1990, in Australia, the Pyramid Building society collapsed. It caused a bit of chaos in the financial world because the building society had attracted a lot of high-profile investors. I remember this one, because Glenn Wheatley, a well-known businessman in the music industry, had decided to open a nightclub. He had all his money tied up in Pyramid. It almost destroyed him.

I had a look on the net but all this money talk bores the living crap out of me. Maybe you will stay awake long enough to make sense of it! Good luck! :)
 

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How about a day-trader gone bad? He bought on margin, basically using the initial investment (their life savings) as collateral to essentially buy 2-3x that amount on credit. If he's doing it on his own, he should have put in a "stop-loss" so that it automatically sells should the price drop to a certain point--but he didn't. You can make up the reason...he was drunk, with another woman, out celebrating his financial gain, basically not paying attention. The market tanks, not only has he lost $XXX, but now he's lost 2-s times $XXX and is hopelessly in debt. Distraught, he drives off a bridge, etc...

And then they all live happily ever after.
 

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This sounds really interesting... I'm curious about what the consequences have been (aside from the deceased husband/father). Foreclosure? Garnishment of wages? Will she file for bankruptcy? Was any of the debt covered by the assets of his estate? Did the estate even have any assets (life insurance, etc)? I can imagine that your MC is very pathetic... and you have to love that in a story :)
 

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Thank you so much for all your suggestions--they are ALL excellent and now I have the problem (a nice one!) of selecting one that fits the story. And they can ALL be made to fit.

SmartAsh, glad you like the setup. Compounding my MC's situation is the fact that she is not only naive , she is unrealistic and unmaterialistic, and at a total loss as to how to solve her problem. It's a yoke around her neck. But her debt is not the main focus of the story. The main focus is the priceless postage stamp in her mother's possession.
 

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How about actual gambling? There was a banker in Ontario, Canada a few years ago that got into gambling in Vegas in a big way, started making up fake loans and fiddling with accounts to get more money to 'play' with, and eventually got caught
 

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Well, that's up to you, isn't it?

He fakes his own suicide! (yes, that's what happens but it's a spoiler!)
But this is a GREAT idea, and thanks for all the details.

Gambling is also great, but it needs to be that the debts pass on to the wife so she would have had to be in some way a co-signatory to something or other. How would that work with gambling?

I'm going to digest all these suggestions and pick one at the next revision. They are all good; now I am spoilt for choice!
 

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OK, I'm back revising this novel and this is the scenario I went with finally:

(Dad was a successful day trader...)

Then came Verdellis Merchants. A Greek shipping company. Somehow, Dad got inside information that Verdellis was facing a huge lawsuit that would eventually ruin it. He believed the stock price was going to take a huge hit. He remortgaged the Loft, sold everything that wasn’t nailed down, begged, borrowed and stole from friends, and shorted the stock. But then it all went pear-shaped. Verdellis worked out some deal and came out smelling like roses. Investors, analysts, market managers, all fell in love with it and scrambled to buy back in. The stock rose and rose and rose… leaving Dad shipwrecked.


Does that make sense? I myself have no idea what it means! ;) A friend in banking suggested it...

The next step is that after he disappears she is forced to declare bankruptcy.

They have a house; inherited by dad, but put in daughter's name some years back. It was mortgage free when he inherited, but Dad remortgaged it while she was still a minor. Would this debt be his, or the daughter's?

Basically, I want the the mother to have declared bankruptcy, but to have the house separate from that fiasco as it is the daughter's name. Or should I have the mother take out a mortgage on the house to pay off the husband's debts. I want mother and daughter to be living in the house but mother has to pay off this mortgage, and it is back when mortgage rates were very high so she is struggling, not only with mortgage but also council tax, utilities etc.
 

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A good rogue move that would be easy to explainwould be if the character sold naked out of the money calls that are supposed to stay out of the money until after expiration. Something happens so they are in the money. They are naked, and he cannot cover them, so he's out.

A number of things like this happened in 2008. Selling naked options is a good way to make money, if they stay out of the money.

An "out of the money" call is a "call option" (an option to buy) that has a "strike price" that is above market price. They become "in the money" when the market price is more than the strike price of the option. A "naked option" is one that is not owned (covered) by the writer (seller) of the call option.
 

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Try googling - Rogue traders stock market
 

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Shorting is a good way to lose money, yes. Doesn't need to be as scurrilous. Dad (going to use that name) borrows some Verillion Corp stock to sell - a normal transaction. Verillion is a small capital operation so when it lands a massive contract that Dad did not know about or was very doubtful about going through, the stock price comes back. In a short, the stock must be returned. The stock gets called upon right after the stock gets signed. Dad has to purchase the stock back from whomever he sold it to at the higher price.

Visualise it:

Dad borrows stock for a fee. $50 000 of 200 blocks of Verillion common stock, $2.50/share. The fee is $4 000. (No idea what the fee is for a short, but I imagine that is a bit more than a simple brokerage fee if only for the simple fact that the actual owner of the stock will need a reason to lend his stock.) This means that there is an outlay or money leaving his pocket of $4 000.

Dad sells the shares at $2.49, with a 2% brokers fee. 49 800 - 996 = 48 804.

At this point he knows he will have to buy back the stock for $44 724 or $2.24/share to break even. That means the price has to go down.

Big contract comes through. Stock price skyrockets to $25.00, meaning he has to purchase the stock back with fee at $510 000. He is out $465 196.

Those simple mistakes can quickly go sour. But a broker has a bit of cash behind him so something like this he can weather. When this happens say 10 times in a row or at once, then he is in a bit of trouble. Why did he short that many all at once and without enough of anything else to balance it out? Perhaps he was very pessimistic about a specific industry. Perhaps there was a running bet at work to see how many shorts they could pull off in a bull (booming) market in the same way a teenaged boy bets that he can make it down a hill in a shopping cart. Any which way, he did it all on his own dime. Boom, massive debt he will now have to saddle himself with.

Edit: oops, you want rogue trading. Meh, this post is still useful. Perhaps some of the liabilities is split between the firm and himself. This may be especially problematic when some of the shorts are being investigated for naked shorting (he sold more stock than he borrowed.)
 
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Xelebes, thanks!!! No, I don't necessarily want rogue trading. I finished the ms this morning and submitted it to publisher, using exactly the above scenario... I didn'treally understand it too well myself, so your explanation has come in perfectly!!!
I've had it so that the bank foreclosed on the luxury loft; the wife mortgagd the house which is in her daughter's name to pay off most of the private debts; but the Bank of England raised the base interest rate so now she is left with a huge mortgage she has to pay off. I think that works in a way even I can understand! But thanks -- this was great timing!