Sleep deprivation and torture.

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In the movie 'Stalag 13' one of the prisoners is tortured by being kept awake. The idea is that this breaks down someone's mental resistance. Now, does this work in real life? If so, how long does it take? When I was in Architecture school, I had a friend who stayed awake for 6 days working on his thesis, then he blacked out. Is that typical?
 

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Google sleep deprivation and you'll get over two million hits, many of them referencing its use as torture. Have fun!
 

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Sleep deprivation breaks down physical and mental resistance indeed! Ask anyone with a newborn, LOL.

I remember once in college I stayed awake for 64 hours, in which time I took a final exam, finished two term papers and a 12 bar blues song (my only instrument for its construction was a kazoo, so it was not very good) and went on a field trip to The Cloisters. I remember sitting in the cafeteria before my history final while drawing an inspirational portrait of Teddy Roosevelt on my jeans and laughing maniacally at my tater tots (because tater tots are inherently funny, I suppose). I doubt all of my senses were in proper order. Afterwards, I slept for 16 hours straight.
 

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I remember once in college I stayed awake for 64 hours, in which time I took a final exam, finished two term papers and a 12 bar blues song
God in heaven, I can't imagine doing that.

You might want to watch that House episode about the girl who can't go to sleep. She's pretty tortured, and it might help with the story.
 

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Throughout my teens I typically went days without sleep at a time. It REALLY messes you up. You can black out, yes. You can also not even realize or understand that you are, in fact, awake. Yes...Google...you'll find everything you need.
 

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Sorry about google laziness, I'll get right on it. Feel free to share some anecdotes, if you like.
 

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Well, I could tell you about how jumbled thought processes become, but nothing about torture. In fact, I'm thinking...past a certain point the victim may not be of any use. You really become almost incoherent. The victim may forget the information they are looking for. You would have to figure out what the cherry time would be...the last minute where the victim would break as opposed to crossing the line of delirium...
 

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When you don't sleep, you hit a phase when sleep is all that matters to you. If you're being actively kept awake, you'll hit a moment when you'll agree to anything if they'll just leave you alone so you can sleep.
 

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Yes...but I wonder if you would hit that point before you hit the point where you stop making coherent sense? I remember going sleepless and not really caring about the fact that I was sleepless...but becoming jibbery.
 

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Sleep is as necessary as eating and breathing. Go without for a several days and you get cranky, disoriented, emotional, nauseous, paranoid and you may get hallucinations audio & visual, occasionally smell. You will do anything to get that desperately needed sleep.
 

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When you don't sleep, you hit a phase when sleep is all that matters to you. If you're being actively kept awake, you'll hit a moment when you'll agree to anything if they'll just leave you alone so you can sleep.
The use of sleep deprivation as an interrogation technique (torture?) works best in a, “Where is…” and not in a “Did you…” scenario.

If the question is where is the car? You have to be very specific, knowing that if the car is not at the location you stated…no sleep.

Asking the question did you steal the car, knowing if you say yes, they will let you sleep…it’s a no-brainer.
 

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Since its a fantasy story, the point will be just to weaken the victim until the mind reader thinks its safe to do his work. Whether the victim is coherent or not isn't all that important.

So its looking like 6 days is the minimum, with the max being in the two week range? Good, I was on too tight a schedule before. I'll let her stew for a week.

And it is a 'where is' question.
 

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I think sleep gives our brains the opportunity to sort all of the new data they have received, much like our computers need time when they are saving data. I think that's what dreams are: data sorting.
 

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Since its a fantasy story, the point will be just to weaken the victim until the mind reader thinks its safe to do his work. Whether the victim is coherent or not isn't all that important.

So its looking like 6 days is the minimum, with the max being in the two week range? Good, I was on too tight a schedule before. I'll let her stew for a week.

And it is a 'where is' question.
IMHO anything beyond 72 hrs is a major health risk, 6 days minimum you may be talking to a bowl of Jell-O, or a corpse.
 

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I dunno, my friend survived the 6 days, and I saw one story about a guy who went three weeks, and a volunteer going 274 hours or something like that.
 

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I dunno, my friend survived the 6 days, and I saw one story about a guy who went three weeks, and a volunteer going 274 hours or something like that.
The world record is 11 days. In reality, the person would not die, but fall into unconsciousness, long before the 11 day world record.
 

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So a week is pushing it, maybe I'll make it 5-6 days, instead of the 3-4 I had before. The person is considered to be mentally strong, so I think she can go as long as my pal. Thanks.
 

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Feel free to share some anecdotes, if you like.
Very well.

I did used to get insomnia for one to three nights at a time.
After around two nights without sleep, your perception (or rather, my perception) does tend to change slightly. It's rather hard to explain but it's like what you see and hear are filtered on the way into the brain. The upshot of that element is that the memories seem closer to dreams than real life when you look back on them.
For example, after a day or two without sleep once, I got a call from my mother to let me know an aunt of mine had died.
Two weeks later when I was talking to mother, I asked after that aunt - thinking I'd dreamed her telling me.

Make sense? ah well I'm not sure how else to describe it.


Because of this peculiar filter stuff, your mental state changes and you are (or, I am) more susceptible.
For example, Stephen King's It (a horror film) will scare me to death if I watch it after no sleep the night before but not nearly as much if I've slept.

Make sense? Good.
 

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After the birth of my 2nd, I didn't sleep much for about 6 weeks. I think 2 hours is the longest I clocked in that time period. One day hubby asked "Why is (older child) still here and not at school?" My (unfortunately serious) answer was "Who?"

He pitched in more after that.

Probably not helpful, but I thought it was funny.
 

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In Batman Begins, there's a section where that one girl was hit with a fear toxin, and she's scared and sees double and nothing makes sense. That's how I feel when I've not slept, although I'm not always fearful. Mostly, my emotions just become very pronounced, but there are also physical side effects: your eyes have trouble focusing; you waver when standing. Sleeplessness is where I've come closest to a suicidal state, giggling all the while.
 

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Oh, guys, I've been without sleep for a few days too, like 3 or so, so if you have any anecdotes about longer time periods, that would be relevant. Maybe I should ask my friend.
 

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I posted a few weeks ago about taking my coworker to the ER. She had some other issues but one major thing was that she hadn't slept in 4 or 5 days. She alternated acting mostly normal and then would go kinda loopy for a while. The main thing that I noticed was that her emotions were really wild. One minute she would be laughing and the next weeping hysterically. Her control of herself really broke down. I think maybe we put automatic checks on ourself to control things like that, but when you can't sleep your brain gets so tired and confused that it lets go.
 

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Sleep deprivation not really "torture"

It is more used as a destabilizing, disorienting adjunct to other things such as altering day/night cycles, meal regularity etc. Typcial results of sleep deprivation are hallucinations, confusion, fear and mild psychosis. The result can be that the victim will latch onto and trust anyone who can provide stability, normalacy, etc. The obvious advantages to this technique are the lack of physical damage done to the victim and the confusion produced can allow for answers to be obtained that the victim may not even be aware they are providing. Also it is relatively quick since most people are severely affected in as little as 48 -72 hours. It is interesting to note that similar results can be obtained by denying a victim REM sleep although it takes longer for the symptoms to manifest.
 

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David Blaine (you know, the guy who does all the crazy street magic and stunts) is planning to break the world record of 11 days without sleeping this coming May. It would be interesting to see if he does it and what the effects are.