New story idea. Will my readers throw it off?

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I had these ideas, and I felt it's possible that readers will throw it off. Like for example, a brave knight on a never ending quest to save the princess is kind of cliche, and a lot of readers said it's nothing but poo. And bringing someone back from the dead is farcical and unrealistic. Any story involving teen cliques in high school are so "Disney Channel" and a bit hackneyed. And any story involving Wizards and a wizarding school will throw readers off.

These are some conventional ideas, but according to other writers, those type of ideas are unacceptable in the writing world and so are traits of Mary Sue characters.

And some parts of the Litmus Test I took recently, had questions like "Is your MC the last of his family?" "Was she raped as a child?" "Is he smarter that most of the other characters?" "Is he well respected or hated?"
Does he have a familiar who is NOT a cat, dog, hamster or bird?"

Again, based on the litmus test, those things are also unnaceptable and no one wants to read something like that.

I wanna give you my ideas, and I want to know if my reader will throw it off. I don't remember all of them so i'll edit later if I do.

- These three girls came across three books, they start off with blank pages and they glow from time to time. When they do, they show each character parts of instuctions on how to cast a the spell. Or when they master this part of the instructions given, the book will go again.

Or may be this book will glow whenever they want. I'll try not to make it convenient.

-This one girl, she's a twelve year old assasin who works for a killer organization. She's been trained to kill ever since she was four. She lost her memory, ad this guy, who raised her for assasinations, was so mean to her and his other henchmen. She comes back to work for him, in return for memories. A year later she realized that some of her memories were false, the master didn't want to kill her, because she's the spitting image of her mother, he fell in love with.


I was just wondering if these are goof ideas, I lost a lot of readers because of this one part of my story that threw them off, so I had to delete it and write something better.
 

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The litmus test isn't the be all and end all, especially considering different values (in some case, negative values - as in ones that will decrease your score) are assigned to different traits. It's not a DO NOT DO list, if you're really worried, do the entire thing and see what you're score is.

So far, all of my characters have been non-sues.

The litmus test is fun to do - I did it for my main World of Warcraft RP character and she scored a -3. :)
 

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Bad ideas can turn into great stories. Great ideas can turn into bad stories. It's not the idea that counts. It's the execution. Work on the execution.
 

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Bad ideas can turn into great stories. Great ideas can turn into bad stories. It's not the idea that counts. It's the execution. Work on the execution.

I can still make stories out of hackneyed ideas?


I went to this one forum and this kid wrote a story about a young wizard, who goes out to save the world, so many writers spat at it said that he shouldn't write about wizards or anyone who saves the world, because one, the wizard concept is overused and two, it's annoying to read about a character that saves the world because it was unrealistic. Everyone hated it, called it poo.
 

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- These three girls came across three books, they start off with blank pages and they glow from time to time. When they do, they show each character parts of instuctions on how to cast a the spell. Or when they master this part of the instructions given, the book will go again.

Or may be this book will glow whenever they want. I'll try not to make it convenient.

Could work, just be careful not to stray into Charmed territory - that's generally what people will think of when you mention three girls + powers.

-This one girl, she's a twelve year old assassin who works for a killer organization. She's been trained to kill ever since she was four. She lost her memory, ad this guy, who raised her for assassinations, was so mean to her and his other henchmen. She comes back to work for him, in return for memories. A year later she realized that some of her memories were false, the master didn't want to kill her, because she's the spitting image of her mother, he fell in love with.
...getting Evangelion flashbacks...

Eva aside, this one sounds like it could work.
 

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Could work, just be careful not to stray into Charmed territory - that's generally what people will think of when you mention three girls + powers.

LOL, I LOVE Chamed. But When I said spells I meant by special skills. Girl #1: Has super strengthis powers, one punch can send a Hummer flying. Girl #2 Is the only one of the group who can cast spells. she casts battle spells and she is also a support Magickat in training. She can make her allies more powerful as long as she has certain items needed for her spellwork. Girl #3 has Telekinesis, her book rarely glows anyway. But she has a book that when it glows she gets a fragment of memories.


...getting Evangelion flashbacks...

Eva aside, this one sounds like it could work.

How does it need work? I'm curious. When i wrote this I got a bit nervous and scared for some reason. Both ideas are in my WIP.
 

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Blue, the question is not whether or not an idea is overdone, but can you write it in a way that makes people stop and say, "Normally this idea is overdone, but I really like what Blue has done here."

Stop spending so much time obsessing over what other people are going to approve of or not, and just write the story.
 

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Blue, the question is not whether or not an idea is overdone, but can you write it in a way that makes people stop and say, "Normally this idea is overdone, but I really like what Blue has done here."

Stop spending so much time obsessing over what other people are going to approve of or not, and just write the story.

Okay, I will Do you have any suggestions on either ideas?
 

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I think you have to suggest your OWN ideas for stories, Blue. There's no point in asking other people to do it for you. I will say that, for me, nothing is over-used if it is approached from a new angle and is well written.
 

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I think you have to suggest your OWN ideas for stories, Blue. There's no point in asking other people to do it for you. I will say that, for me, nothing is over-used if it is approached from a new angle and is well written.

Okay. Thank you.
 

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SPOILER.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN EVANGELION IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT. (...and I envy you, I wish I could have that small corner of my sanity back).


In Evangelion (anime series if you've never heard of it), the character of Rei (the sullen blue-haired girl), is a young clone (ok, a whole series of young clones, but that's quibbling) of Shinji's (the whiny bitch-boy protagonist) mother.

It's really, really weird.
 

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If Enchanted is the movie I'm thinking of, it wasn't fantasy so much as historical. There was no magic involved, no elves or trolls, no wizards or witches. It was just historical possibility.
 
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I can still make stories out of hackneyed ideas?


I went to this one forum and this kid wrote a story about a young wizard, who goes out to save the world, so many writers spat at it said that he shouldn't write about wizards or anyone who saves the world, because one, the wizard concept is overused and two, it's annoying to read about a character that saves the world because it was unrealistic. Everyone hated it, called it poo.


A good test is substitute in some other trope. E.g.
I went to this one forum and this kid wrote a story about a young COWBOY, who goes out to save the TOWN, so many writers spat at it said that he shouldn't write about COWBOYS or anyone who saves the TOWN, because one, the COWBOY concept is overused and two, it's annoying to read about a character that saves the TOWN because it was unrealistic. Everyone hated it, called it poo.
In fact, everybody was talking ##### - they obviously don't read Fantasy. IMHO, some supposedly hackneyed elements are actually genre tropes. In Fantasy, the world is a perfectly reasonable stake. Better than the flavour of herbal tea. And it's Fantasy. How are you not going to have magicians?
 

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If Enchanted is the movie I'm thinking of, it wasn't fantasy so much as historical. There was no magic involved, no elves or trolls, no wizards or witches. It was just historical possibility.
Dude are you serious? There is a talking chipmunk in there!
 

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Yeah.....well..........you had me going when you said there was no fantasy elements in Enchanted......and then, when you say it's about history....I'm thinking, hey, maybe I should check it out! But then..........a talking chipmunk......there's nothing historical about that.....the only talking chipmunk I can dig is Alvin.........

so, I think I'll pass on 'Enchanted'.............but, if there ARE any historical, what if's types of movies or novels out there..............sans ALL fantasy elements, (no trolls.....no warp-speed vehicles, no talking elves, fairies, chipmunks, dogs, cats, snakes, beetlejuicers, green things, NO wizards, Widgets, Witches, Midgets, ...etc etc......) then someone let me know......LOL

I like mine realistic.
 

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I think you have to suggest your OWN ideas for stories, Blue. There's no point in asking other people to do it for you. I will say that, for me, nothing is over-used if it is approached from a new angle and is well written.

Add to what KTC said, ideas are also a dime a dozen. Every person who posted in this thread, Blue, could take one of your posited ideas and write completely different stories based on the ideas. Some might suck eggs. Some might be terrific, engaging, unique reads. Uniqueness and originality are not in the idea, but rather in the execution of the idea.

A boy wizard in a wizard school were not new ideas. The execution of Harry Potter, however, is what made it stand out and made kids (and adults) take notice and read them.

Write what appeals to you, Blue, not what you think will appeal to others. Everyone has an opinion on what makes a good or bad story; you won't please everyone. Period.
 

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If Enchanted is the movie I'm thinking of, it wasn't fantasy so much as historical. There was no magic involved, no elves or trolls, no wizards or witches. It was just historical possibility.

I believe you're thinking of Ever After, the Cinderella story done as a real possibility - had Drew Barrymore and a trailer that made everyone fall in love with Robert Miles music. Had a scene where she rescued the prince from the gypsies.
 

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I'm a little unsure what you're asking, Blue. No idea is really that original if you boil it down enough. You should NEVER listen to writers when they comment on good or bad ideas. Writers tend to be both well-read and are quick to point out the slightest elements that can be compared to something else. Tons of best sellers and great works are based on unoriginal ideas. Its all in how you make it fresh or interesting.

If you are asking... "are these ideas worthy of a novel?" I say, sure! I can imagine quite a few ways you could seduce me into picking up the book with the beginnings of the premise you have.

If you are asking... "how can I make these ideas more original?" Hey characters with powers are everywhere. Who they are is what's important. First off, what are the girls like? While making them get along is the easiest way to go, it isn't the most interesting. How do their personalities clash?

Suppose they got the books but they are unsure of the source. The book just fell into their laps... One of the first questions I would ask, is where did this thing come from? Maybe one of the girls thinks it came from God. The assassin girl, well she doesn't believe in goodness and light. She's certain that the books are evil. Maybe the other girl agrees with her, and is reluctant to use the powers in the book at all. Maybe the origin of the book is half the story.

Suppose the books aren't just some neutral spellbooks. Maybe they give orders... tell you to do things. Go here. Prevent this person from doing something. Do you follow them? Are the instructions the price for more magic revelations? Suppose each of the girls sees them differently, imagine the tension that would cause. What if they are prophecies? What if something really bad is predicted for one of the girls, what would she go through to prevent it?

Suppose one of the girls has a dark ambition. Power corrupts right? Say she decides she wants to get ahold of the other books. She might start by getting everyone together, and then steal them, trying to get the powers of everyone else. Maybe the organization assassin girl works for is connected to the books, and orders her to get them back. Would she kill the girls for them?

A 12 year old assassin is interesting. What is she like? Purely amoral? Sociopath? How does she feel about her job? Does she see the world as made up of predators and prey? Does she hate what she does? Does she love it? Maybe she's just numb. Maybe she has a happy memory of her parents, and all that she is going through is just a way for her to find her way back to them. Maybe she hates herself, and she thinks that she is a damned soul on earth. Perhaps she's like a shark. She can do whatever she has to, but she has to keep moving, if she thinks about what she's done she falls apart. Did she ever have an imaginary friend? What was he like ? (Think nail bunny from Johnny the homicidal maniac). People cope with horrific pasts in all sorts of ways...
 

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Dude are you serious? There is a talking chipmunk in there!
'Kay, seriously, I ain't a dude. And there's a talking chipmunk? Are we thinking about the same movie?

Okay, I'm obviously an idiot. I checked IMDB, and I was thinking Ever After with Drew Barrymore, and somehow the title became Enchantment or Enchanted or some variation thereof in my head. *sigh*

Yeah, Ever After, in which the girl saves the prince, and there are no fantasy elements, it's all historical, and there are no talking chipmunks. *sigh*


ETA: Or, you know, what Stormhawk said.
 
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