Submitting a novel with a frame

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victoria.goddard

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Hi everyone,

I don't tend to write a lot on AW, but I do visit regularly, but I've finally thought of a question to ask: What does one do about a frame when writing a synopsis or submitting a query with first few pages?

There's a lot to be said (for and against) about having a prologue, and I believe it's been mentioned that when submitting a novel with one you don't usually give it as one of the first three chapters, or at least not the first five or ten pages. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on that thought!) But what do you do when the novel has a frame?

I'm getting ready to submit mine, and I've been wondering what best to do. The first chapter is part of the frame (I suppose I could call it a prologue, but it fits in structurally as part of a frame, and the middle and last chapters aren't really a--what? interlogue? intermezzo? entr'acte?--and epilogue), and, as such, has a very different style and tone to the rest of the book. Is it best to submit the first five pages of Chapter One, even though it is the frame, and hope they do their job in hooking the reader enough to request at least the first three chapters? Or do I skip to what's really the second chapter but the first of the main narration, and submit that?

And what about writing a synopsis? Do I include the frame, or leave it out, or mention it separately?

I haven't seen much discussion on AW about framing devices, at least not with respect to submissions, and I'd appreciate any advice anyone has to offer.

Victoria
 

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Do you mean frame like in the movie The Princess Bride? (I never read the book--loved the movie too much to risk it. Seriously.)

Using that as an example, since I don't know how your book works, I would leave the frame out.
 

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"Bookends" is another term used in place of frame. The Notebook and The Green Mile use this structure. It's often, though not always, used when the majority of the plot is set in a different time period. The opening and ending scenes basically "frame" the main story.
 

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Well, I might be using the term wrong. What I mean is something very like in The Princess Bride. I, too, was long loath to read the book because I love the movie, but it's wonderful. Slightly different, but wonderful. You have to remember that William Golding wrote both the book and the screenplay, and was involved in casting the characters, and that he did a good job of both. Incidentally, I think his narrative voice--the frame, in fact--in the book is one of the most convincing I have ever read. Seriously. I believe that the 'I' of that book is Golding himself. I don't care that in real life he didn't have a son, nor that Florin doesn't really exist, nor any of the other things that are obviously fiction. I still believe him. It's worth reading the book simply for that sense of perfect verisimilitude (a word, an idea, I love).

Basically, with a frame, the main story is surrounded by a second one--as in The Princess Bride, the main story of Wesley and Buttercup is surrounded, or framed, by the story of the boy and his grandfather. In the book, we have the whole back story of the author as well, interspersed with the Wesley-Buttercup story. You could have the main story of Wesley and Buttercup without the boy and his grandfather, but it makes it much more interesting, particularly in the book. At least I think so!

I think it's one of those things that were more popular in the eighteenth century, along with fake editors who found the book in an attic, etc., like Carlyle's Sartor Resartus, or, I think, Hawthorne's A Scarlet Letter. Frankenstein uses several layers of frames. It's the sort of thing English professors like to comment on.

A frame in a book, in my opinion, should have the same effect as a frame around a picture. It sets it off and makes it more interesting and effective. In a book, it may also provide a different perspective (whether of character or time), or provide protection for the author in the case of risky content, or . . . well, just be fun. In that sense, it belongs in the same class as prologues/epilogues and so forth. A book with both a prologue and an epilogue has a kind of frame, regardless of what it's called, especially if the added material is from the same perspective, different from the rest of the book, in both cases.

I'm not saying mine achieves all of this, but that's the basic idea. But I still don't know quite what to do with a synopsis.

Victoria
 

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Based on how you've described it, I think you'd want to include it. In the Green Mile, for example, the frame doesn't exist only in the beginning and end of the book, it pops in and out of the middle, also.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I just finished Sara Gruen's Water for Elephants, which could be considered a frame novel. In fact, the prologue is the past, where what I'd call the "frame" is Chapter One. In her case, I'm not sure how she would have gotten away with discussing only the main story.

In your synopsis, I start with something like this, using Gruen's novel as example:

"Jacob is ninety. Or ninety-two. And he's been living in the same nursing home for God knows how long. The daily lives of the nurses, the patients and visiting relatives seems like a circus. But when the real circus moves in next door, Jacob is forced to remember the three months he spent serving as veternarian to the Benzini's Brothers Most Spectacular Show on Earth.

After he jumped the circus train following his parents' deaths, Jacob wonders if he'd made a mistake. But then, he meets Marlena, the star act of the show ..."

It probably needs a clearer transition, but hopefully the point is there.
 
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I'm glad that you've asked this question and I am curious to see what the reponses are. I'm just getting to the stage with my novel where I am starting to read up on things like query letters and synopses, and I was wondering how one would bring in the frame of a story, especially when writing the very brief synopsis in a query letter. The novel that I'll be querying has a frame that takes place twenty years later, that not only comes at the beginning and end, but has short chapters between every chapter of the main story. I'm unsure of how to discuss both stories in a query letter without making it too long.
 

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"Bookends" is another term used in place of frame. The Notebook and The Green Mile use this structure. It's often, though not always, used when the majority of the plot is set in a different time period. The opening and ending scenes basically "frame" the main story.

Right. Sometimes frames are done by prologue+epilogue, and sometimes they're part of the main story, but the idea is the same: the frame is a story apart from the main story, usually in the beginning and concludes in the end (thus the term "frame"). It's a very common literary device, actually.

As for whether to include it in the sample plus... I'd say, yes. The Notebook wouldn't be The Notebook if the frame was not included. A frame is rather different than a prologue, in my opinion. A frame is integral to the entire story structure.

p.s. In my WIP, I originally devised a frame, but then I decided to eliminate it. I think the frame only distracts from the main story.
 
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