I'm driving myself crazy editing this script...

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I'm driving myself crazy editing this script... because I edit it one way at the behest of some advice only to find advice in the contrary. I'm talking about formatting, basically. The problem is I don't have a trusted source whose advice I have faith in. And, that I see it done both ways.... every possible different way imaginable. Like this:

PAN TO THREE SOLDIERS 40 yards away -- ZOOM IN --

If an unknown wrote that, they'd be castrated. But, that's directly from a script that became a well known movie. So, it seems I'm going in circles, editing to fit one way, then re-editing to fit another way, and so on... I'm driving myself crazy and want to know HOW to stop driving myself crazy and become a known writer, so I don't have to worry about this...

HELP!
 

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When I'm shopping and I want an apple? I pick the shiniest, nicest-looking apple that doesn't have any dents or bruises.

Uh, that's supposed to be a metaphor for take whatever advice sounds right and works best for you. You get to choose, it's your script. Your trusted source that you have faith in should be you. Use the Force. Just type what you want to see on the screen, and move on. No need to angst about it. When you're rewriting six months from now, you might decide to rephrase in an entirely different way.

That sample line you quoted... I'd maybe have written it as,

40 YARDS AWAY - THREE SOLDIERS do something.

And let the director figure out that pesky camera stuff.

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If an unknown wrote that, they'd be castrated. But, that's directly from a script that became a well known movie.
this is not necessarily a trusted source. this could be a script written by the director and camera directions or any other digression from what a script should like like is allowed b/c the writer and director are the same.

reading scripts is a great source for learning story structure and how others have written with a particular style or detail with a scene, etc... but for formatting you should invest in some screenwriting *software. you will not find a professional scriptwriter who doesn't use it. do like the pros do.

there are no hard rules - only guidelines.

*buy yourself an Xmas present
also for formatting the best source is David Trottier's, The Screenwriter's Bible which is most people first book. he also sells inexpensive formatting software.
 

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I've used scriptwriting software in the past - I hate it, absurdly so. I gave me no freedom. Not everything fits into the supposedly neat little package that script writing software creates.

Anyway, the type of formatting I'm talking about isn't the stuff that would be in script writing software. I meant more like whether you can use verbs ending in "ing" or stuff like that.

And, I know I'm my own trusted source, but I would like a second trusted source. I feel like this is a great script and I also feel like I'd have a hard time selling the thing. This is how things are with me it seems - my favorite things aren't as well recieved by the masses. (Not that that's a problem... ramble, ramble, blah, blah, blah)
 

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Well OK, so how do you feel about posting something in the Screenwriting critique forum? See sigline below. Getting some feedback on your first 10 pages might up your confidence levels.

-Derek
 

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I am relatively new at this (only writing for about 10 months) but, I have either checked out every book at the library, or, bought every book under the sun, off of Amazon. The thing I find that works best is whatever works for you individually. I have techniques, when I write, that help me stay grounded, and keep everything in line. And, though I have taken bits and pieces from each thing that I've read, I follow one rule...do what works for you. There is no shortage of websites and books full of no-no's. Just brush up on that stuff, and you will be OK. Don't let anything hinder you from producing the best work you can, and if you spend your time constantly worrying, then you are hindering your creativity.
 

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Well, I just posted... even though I've always been hesitant about posting on the internet...
 

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That's interesting. I find the software gives me the freedom to not worry about all the pesky formatting stuff and allows me to focus on the fun stuff, like the story.
 

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ditto what ice said

anyhoo - without having gone to you post i believe you're talking about style not formatting. there are not rules with style - only guidelines.
 

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I'm driving myself crazy editing this script... because I edit it one way at the behest of some advice only to find advice in the contrary. I'm talking about formatting, basically. The problem is I don't have a trusted source whose advice I have faith in. And, that I see it done both ways.... every possible different way imaginable. Like this:

PAN TO THREE SOLDIERS 40 yards away -- ZOOM IN --

If an unknown wrote that, they'd be castrated. But, that's directly from a script that became a well known movie. So, it seems I'm going in circles, editing to fit one way, then re-editing to fit another way, and so on... I'm driving myself crazy and want to know HOW to stop driving myself crazy and become a known writer, so I don't have to worry about this...

HELP!


The point is, different writers have different styles and despite what a lot of people may think as a rule, whatever a successful pro writer's style is now, working as a pro, it's pretty likely that that was his style when he was first breaking in.

That is, it's not as if someone was careful not to use "we see" when he was first writing specs, but now that he's rich and famous and successful, he litters his script with "we sees" just for kicks.

That being said, it's important to understand that there are many gatekeepers in this business, and that there are widespread prejudices among those gatekeepers.

They tend not to like camera directions, flashbacks, the use of "cut to" and "we see" -- or at any rate, if used, used only very sparingly.

Blocks of text shouldn't be much more than five or six lines before you have a paragraph break -- if only to make the script more easily readable. Aim to make blocks of dialogue short as well (although it isn't always possible).

And, of course, any kind of significant formatting error, like the wrong typeface or anything that effects the page count, is absolutely verboten.

None of this is about the underlying quality of the script. This is about moving your script past the gatekeepers, who are only empowered to say no, and are always on the lookout for quick and easy reasons to say no to your script.

Give them a reason and they will say no.

Regarding this or that script that has broken this or that rule -- it may very well not have been a spec at all. It may have been an assignment, where they've already paid the writer to do the work.

Or, if a spec, it may have been a spec that managed, through some way or other, to by-pass the reader process which you are not likely going to be able to by-pass.

You never know.

What you should know is that in a game where the odds are already stacked against you, there's really no upside to writing your script in a way that may stack them even higher -- especially when it's possible to write your script in a way that doesn't have to do that.

Regarding describing shots in your script -- which your job is clearly to try to make the reader see the movie as they read your script, you almost never want to actually, literally describe shots, and if you're doing your job correctly -- that is, if you describe the action correctly, you almost never have to.

Sometimes, very rarely, you do. But that's only in situations where the *way* in which a particular scene or moment is shot is important to the story. It's pretty much never important to the story whether or not it's a continuous dolly shot or not. That may be the way you see it, but that's too bad. The scene could be shot twenty different ways and the "story" would still unfold in the same way.

The only example that I can think of offhand -- I did one of the (unused) drafts of Blair Witch 2 -- and in the version that I wrote, it preserved the whole faux documentary style -- and so it had to specify, at various points, that this scene was shot by the camera in a police car, or that scene was being shot by a low light camera in a house, or whatever.

That's obviously a very unusual situation -- but sometimes within a movie, there are times when you have to specify how a scene is shot, because it isn't simply a matter of the action unfolding in a certain way, but also that the scene has to be shot a certain way for the story to make sense.

In that case, you can break that rule.

But that doesn't happen very often. In a lot of movies, it never happens.

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