Question, Christ or Jesus?

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In writing of “His teachings” as opposed to about “His life and example,” I sometimes wonder if is more appropriate to make reference to "Christ" rather than to "Jesus." Simply saying Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus does not seem to work ... I have a sense of Jesus being “the Christ” and that His authority and divinity centers within the Christ. Is there a meaningful distinction to be made?
I don’t know if that makes any sense and would appreciate your ideas and views on the subject. Thank you.
 

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In writing of “His teachings” as opposed to about “His life and example,” I sometimes wonder if is more appropriate to make reference to "Christ" rather than to "Jesus." Simply saying Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus does not seem to work ... I have a sense of Jesus being “the Christ” and that His authority and divinity centers within the Christ. Is there a meaningful distinction to be made?
I don’t know if that makes any sense and would appreciate your ideas and views on the subject. Thank you.

As a starting point, you may get some ideas and views from: http://www.christiananswers.net/jesus/home.html
 

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Dad,
Personally, I rarely use "Christ" when discussing Jesus. But that's just my personal preference. Distinguishing between Jesus (the man) vs Christ (as God rising forth in man) presents a problem.
The Council of Chalcedon (451AD / CE) reflecting on what constitutes a human and a divine person, decided that Jesus is not a human person, but rather a divine person with a divine nature and a human nature. Further each nature is perfect and existing.
Further, that from the moment of His conception the Man Jesus beheld the God head face to face and that this vision was never taken from Him even unto the desolation of the cross.

And so for me, the name Jesus is sufficient. For some using The Christ tag may seem to reinforce His divinity but it certainly isn't needed.
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I'd never really given it much thought, but it does sound like a good "writerly" question :D I guess it does make sense that using the title of Christ or Messiah would convey a distinct tone in your piece and might spark a different consideration in the reader. It certainly evokes more of a sense of Christ's authority as one who was prophesied to come as a teacher and ruler.
 

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Just something interesting from our sunday school lesson today--

When the pharisees came for Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane, he asked them "whom seek ye?"

They said, "Jesus of Nazareth."

It may be interesting to note that they did not call him Jesus Christ. Christ does denote his prophetic role as Immanuel: God with us. But the Lord did also say unto them, "I am He."

So I guess in the end, it just depends on what you hope to evoke in your readers.

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In writing of “His teachings” as opposed to about “His life and example,” I sometimes wonder if is more appropriate to make reference to "Christ" rather than to "Jesus." Simply saying Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus does not seem to work ... I have a sense of Jesus being “the Christ” and that His authority and divinity centers within the Christ. Is there a meaningful distinction to be made?
I don’t know if that makes any sense and would appreciate your ideas and views on the subject. Thank you.

Yes, but remember, "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow." So I think the name Jesus also includes His authority and divinity. Personally, I think they're interchangeable, and I would use whichever one God prompts you to use in a particular piece of writing.
 

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THANKS!

I really appreciate all of your responses … thanks!

Since my original I have researched every scripture verse containing the name “Christ.” In descending order of usage I find the most used is Christ, followed by Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord Christ and Jesus the Christ (New American Standard translation).
I have the feeling that the dominant practice of the Bible writers, especially Paul, felt it necessary to emphasize “Christ” whereas in the Christian community today the emphasis is put on the name “Jesus.” Is it possible that there is a perception that it is some how “easier” more meaningful to have a personal relationship with the “man-God” Jesus than the “God-in man” Christ?
I also recognize that the Bible writers, in most instances, were working within the Jewish community wherein a greater emphasis on Jesus being the messiah, the Christ, seemed necessary …
To Pat,. who reminded me of “at the name of Jesus …” (Phillipians 2:10), thanks. It is interesting, I think, to note that the writer states that every knee will bow at the name of Jesus and then in verse 11 says, “every tongue shall confess Jesus Christ …” Taken alone, these verses would seem to say that when we speak / write, we should do so of Jesus Christ, not Jesus …

I am looking forward to more input …
 

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The Pharisees wouldn't have asked for the Christ since Christ is an English adaptation of the Greek Christos. They would have asked for the Mashiach. But probably wouldn't have because they considered him to be a sheker...a false Mashiach.

All that aside, in terms of writing I think it depends on what era the story takes place in. Since I'm doing Biblical Fiction, people interact with him as a human personage and refer to him by his given name.

If you were writing a contemporary story you would probably say Jesus Christ since that's how he is generally referred to in modern society.
 

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I really appreciate all of your responses … thanks!

Since my original I have researched every scripture verse containing the name “Christ.” In descending order of usage I find the most used is Christ, followed by Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord Christ and Jesus the Christ (New American Standard translation).
I have the feeling that the dominant practice of the Bible writers, especially Paul, felt it necessary to emphasize “Christ” whereas in the Christian community today the emphasis is put on the name “Jesus.” Is it possible that there is a perception that it is some how “easier” more meaningful to have a personal relationship with the “man-God” Jesus than the “God-in man” Christ?
I also recognize that the Bible writers, in most instances, were working within the Jewish community wherein a greater emphasis on Jesus being the messiah, the Christ, seemed necessary …
To Pat,. who reminded me of “at the name of Jesus …” (Phillipians 2:10), thanks. It is interesting, I think, to note that the writer states that every knee will bow at the name of Jesus and then in verse 11 says, “every tongue shall confess Jesus Christ …” Taken alone, these verses would seem to say that when we speak / write, we should do so of Jesus Christ, not Jesus …

I am looking forward to more input …

Yes, and earlier in the chapter (2:1) He is referred to as "Christ" and then in verse 5, "Christ Jesus." So you're probably correct, whichever one you choose to use.

Names in scripture have meanings, and I believe there are just the slightest differences in the meanings for 'Jesus' and 'Christ'--Jesus, meaning 'Savior,' and Christ meaning the 'Messiah' (the one who was promised to be sent by God to save His people).
 

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Jesus is the Christ.
Isn't Christ a title? Or something like that?

Sheesh. More research.
 

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I dunno if this is the distinction you're making (yours seems far deeper) but obviously it's useful to have a way to distinguish whether you're talking about a Jewish guy named "Jesus" who historically was born, lived, and was crucified dead ... (A flesh&blood historical man who all but the most extreme debaters can admit probably lived) ...

And the flesh&blood Jewish MESSIAH who fulfills various historical prophecies ...

And an Incarnation of GOD, Risen from the Dead ...

And even (and I think most can agree with me up to here, but now maybe less) an aspect and part of GOD who was not fully GOD but performing a needed function of the Divine. (Simple examples of that is when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane, he speaks of his will being subject to the Father's will; when they ask Jesus when will the End Times come ... he says he doesn't know, the angels don't know ... only the Father knows)

If you call him Jesus he can be either historical mortal Jew, or Incarnated Divinity inside a mortal human being, but you're emphasizing the flesh & blood man ...

Calling him Christ suggests to your acceptance of his Divine mission as prophecy-fulfilling Messiah ... it's a function, a role he fulfilled (well, that you're saying he fulfilled)

Calling him the Son I suppose means you're putting him in the context of BEING Divine.

If I've just stated the obvious, or been redundant to other points already made ... my apologies.

But here's my thing: I've had this discussion with sincere Christians who sincerely haven't thought about these distinctions. And that bothers me, theologically. They seem to think that "Jesus" was God walking around, doing some kind of theatrical role, waiting to pull a rabbit out of the hat, almost feigning death because he's SO POSITIVE he'll be raised from the dead.

Gethsemane points out that isn't so. Jesus had valid human doubts ... overcome by his absolute human faith.

Jesus, on the cross, was as dead as anyone who ever died.

It wasn't a theatrical necessity, a role, an act. That would have made a lie of the great Sacrifice.

Again, that's probably very obvious to everyone here, but I know good Church-going people who, because they know how the story ends, have never really thought about how Jesus the man felt in Gethsemane ... and maybe that's missing something very important.

Jesus said to take up his cross.

Even if some (and I'm included there) cannot grasp the terror and pain and sacrifice of that ourselves ... we can at least try to imagine what it was like for the man praying to be spared it -- and then accepting it as cosmically necessary.

But first we have to make the distinction you've asked about, imo.
 

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Again, I really appreciate the responses posted and the thought that went into them.

To "small axe" - thanks for the detail asnd reasoning. I wonder what your thoughts are on Jesus' constant refferal to self as the "son of man?" Is there anything more to it than a simple humility?
 
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