Eyes Wide Shut

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I know this film has received tons of criticism, but I'm wondering if there's anyone here who's seen it and enjoyed it. The more I work on my analysis of the film, the more I think it's pretty brilliantly done (Kubrick, of course). More specifically, the sacred feminine and Da Vinci Code-esque symbolism embedded in it.
 

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Now you make me want to rewatch that movie. Honestly? It's one of only two films I seriously considered walking out on. I saw it in the theater (for some reason) and hated it. Sometimes I want to go back and revisit it, just to remember why I hated it so much. Funny thing is, I may have a different perspective on it, now, ten years later.
 

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I think I'm a bit more predisposed to it because I got to see it for the first time in a different context than most, with a couple different films, in reference to sexuality and the cinema. Don't get me wrong, there's still a bunch of symbols and allusions that don't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I find the the outline of the basic theme pretty interesting.
 

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Wow, I didn't know someone else liked the movie. I'm a huge Kubrick fan, and I think EWS is a terrific, beautifully shot film.

I'll be happy to discuss it.

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Haven't seen the whole thing, though I have seen parts of it. My initial impression is of an art film marketed to a mainstream audience who just didn't 'get it', or want to 'get it.' Kubrick is often brilliant, and in the context you are talking about Katie, I think this work would find an audience more predisposed to understand what he was doing.
 

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Artistically, I suppose I can see why someone would think it was beautifully shot.

As for the story and the acting I thought it was awful. Nicole Kidman was too over the top. It seemed like she was trying too hard to act well and she didn't come across as a real person. The plot was boring and didn't hold my interest.
 

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My initial impression is of an art film marketed to a mainstream audience who just didn't 'get it', or want to 'get it.' Kubrick is often brilliant, and in the context you are talking about Katie, I think this work would find an audience more predisposed to understand what he was doing.[/quote]

Okay - color me stupid, but i definitely didn't 'get it'. So, what was he doing?
 

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I think one reason it didn't catch on -- and maybe the central reason -- is that it's about sex. Americans want their sex almost lampoonish (a la California porn) rather than the way it's portrayed in EWS, which is very secretive and almost violent in the way the participants want to disguise and hide themselves. The sex scenes are staged in EWS, theatrical, and some of them are a bit (or more than a bit) bizarre. Also, you've got two of the biggest film stars of that time doing very strange things, and that probably didn't set well. It also didn't help that Kidman and Cruise were married.

I remember having mixed feelings. I thought it was a film that was more of an exercise than Kubrick's earlier films, most of which had a tremendous heart. EWS didn't have too much heart; in fact Kubrick seemed to want to intentionally remove the heart to see what effect he could illicit in the audience.

That said, I think EWS is a much better film than Closer, which is a similar kind of movie about adults behaving badly. I thought Closer was awful for much the same reason I was mixed on EWS: the characters seemed heartless, just confused and emotionless automatons who were there only to push the plot forward.
 

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I have a horrible habit, much to my wife's chagrin, of paying dough to go see a movie and then falling asleep. That happened with this film; don't know whether it was because I thought it was bad or because of my new penchant. I bet I stay awake for No Country for Old men when I finally get around to seeing that.
 

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A weird film but undeniably Kubrickian. I think in the hands of another I probably wouldn't have liked it but for some reason I find it engaging. One of those films that I don't own but would watch if I caught it channel surfing.
 

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I saw it in the theaters but I don't remember the story at all. I liked it, I remember that, and I think it also confused me a bit, so it must have been a great Kubrick flick. I'm gonna have to watch it again.
 

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Shadow Ferret said:
I never saw it because of the title. Made no sense. How can you have your eyes WIDE shut?

It's Kubrick so it's open to endless and maddening interpretation but my take is that it's a play on the term, "Eyes Wide Open" in that Tom Cruise's character is closed off, sexually, to the frustration of his wife and, after she admits a sordid fantasy involving a stranger, he sets off on a journey of carnal discovery in a sprawling, underground world that has always been all around him and he'd have seen if only he hadn't had his 'eyes wide shut.'

I dunno. VMMV.
 

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I saw the uncensored version, also, so perhaps that made a difference. Nothing's missing on the reels between the two films, but for the American release they did some computer magic to block most of the explicit sex.

Basically, I watched it for a course. It was probably the tamest film we've seen, in terms of explicit sex. Others included Sweet Movie, Romance, Realm of the Senses.

The introduction we got for Eyes Wide Shut was the sacred feminine. We were told that Eyes Wide Shut, Brown's Da Vinci Code, and Scorcese's Last Temptation of Christ were probably the best pieces of "mainstream" art to accurately represent the sacred feminine. In fact, Brown mentions Eyes Wide Shut in the book. Aside from those brief points, we didn't talk about it after we watched it. I could be crazy when it comes to the following points, but I'd really like to know more about what people think about this film.

So basically what it's come down to, for me anyway, is that the film, marketed as a sex movie, isn't really about sex; instead, how people think about sex. Particularly, the scenes in the mansion, which a lot of people think is an orgy.

Instead, that scene was a representation of the religious hieros gamos ritual, also found in Da Vinci Code, which makes it clear that the point of the ritual is spiritual, not erotic, connection to the sacred feminine. Remember also the password, "fidelio." It could be an ironic twist since Bill is wallowing on the edge of infidelity, or a more literal translation: faith. Also, note Alice's monologue about her dream, where she makes quite a few allusions to Eve and the ritual, although she felt ashamed about it.

And that, I thought, works back to the title. Consider (this coming from the Da Vinci Code) how the Catholic church obliterated the sacred feminine from what was then mainstream culture, and turned sex into something shameful and obscene. A quote from da Vinci in the novel references how mankind is "blind" to the feminine, and how he wishes them to "open their eyes."
 
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It's flawed, but I liked it. Had to convince a fellow reviewer at the time to give it a second chance. He came around. Haven't seen it in a while though.
 

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Very interesting post, Katie. Everything you say there tells me why this film received a lot of bad press. Your average moviegoer who is looking for a romantic comedy or action film -- or even just a typical Cruise or Kidman film -- is going to see EWS and think 'what the heck is this?' And that is not meant to disparage the average moviegoer in any way, manner or form. EWS was a film way outside their expectations and tastes.

As far as the critics go; it was a perfect opportunity to tear the movie and Cruise and Kidman down, especially for those who seem to think being a critic means you MUST criticize.

One of these days I'm going to have to watch it all the way through, but it'll have to be when the wifey is doing something else. She thought it was dorky, which was why we never finished watching it. :)
 
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I found the movie to be rather violent. Even though there wasn't any violence persay, Tom Cruise's character and his ideals were being assaulted rather mercilessly.

I have no comment on the things you were taught Katie, I would have to see it again and consider it in that light.

As I said previously, the music really made it hard for me to enjoy it.