Lay, Lie, Lying, etc.

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Can somebody direct me to that thread in GFG that discusses the differences between Lay, Lie, Layed, etc.? There are so many threads to sort through! Please, your help is appreciated!
 

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Don't know where the thread is, but if you Google lie vs. lay you'll come up with a bunch of pages explaining the difference. Here's one to get you started.
 

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I found it!


I have trouble with lay, layed, laid and lie and whether someone is layed off or laid off and whether a bet is laid off or layed off. I keep reading Strunk and White but it doesn't get much clearer or more clear or whatever and I often avoid using the word L words - no lie.

Yeah, I hate that, too. I think this is how it works, but I could be wrong (hopefully not):

lie (reclining)
present: lying
past: lay
past perfect (or whatever it's called): have lain

lie (putting down)
present: laying
past: laid
past perfect: have laid

Someone tell me if I'm wrong, though!! :)


You're wrong in parts. This is a corrected version:

lie (reclining)
present participle: lying
past: lay
past participle: lain

lay (putting down)
present participle: laying
past: laid
past participle: laid

lie (telling a falsehood)
present participle: lying
past: lied
past participle: lied

I don't know of any "layed." The part about a bet stumped me until I realized that it might be this one: "I'll lay you ten to one his ring isn't real gold" or "Patty went to the $2 window and laid $10 on In My Dreams to win in the seventh race." Tish, the bet word is "lay," as in laying money on the table. I haven't heard of bets being laid off, though.

Employees are laid off. Eggs are laid in a nest. I need to lay me down to sleep.
 

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So would it be:

Her world came crashing down around her, thinking back to the first time she'd laid eyes on him.
 

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Yes for the verb form. But it sounds to me like the world is thinking back, given the two-part sentence structure.
 

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Thanks for this! Now I can maybe get past my deep fear of using these words. No, really, "lie" and "lay" scare me.
 

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mikeland -- just find a brit who'll proofread. It's more standard (thus, easier) in british english than american english usage at this point.
 

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It's more standard (thus, easier) in british english than american english usage at this point.

Is it really? What are the differences? I'm British and I never knew ours was more standard.
 

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Well, British English isn't overall any more standard than American English :)

But as far as I know, there aren't any major dialects of British English in which people would say "I'm going to lay down on the bed now." -- and even though "lie" in Scottish standard English, at least in Aberdeen, is pronounced a lot like "lay" to my ears, I never met an Aberdonian who had the two confused.
(This is gleaned from a youth misspent in the British school system, some years of it in Aberdeen, rather than from being a real brit.)

In many American dialects, however, lie and lay are used interchangably. However, in the "standard" prescriptive form of the language, that's not allowed. So it trips a lot of people up.
 

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Oh, that's interesting. Thank you for explaining! I think that may be why I've noticed even very grammar-aware Americans getting it wrong. I was bewildered (and not a little distressed!).
 
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