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I've been trying for a long time to figure out just how to sell interest in my story. I haven't actually reached the point of submitting it yet, but it is fast approaching and past and recent query versions and in fact, all attempts at trying to sum it up have elicited responses that are somewhat disheartening. I'm hoping you guys can help me figure out whether the problem is with my story itself, or just the way I'm presenting it.

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Cyril is a telepath who seeks to unravel a conspiracy, gets taped evidence that proves it exists and identifies who's orchestrating it... but mysteriously disappears before exposing it. He leaves in his wake, a dead man and a journal with his account on the significance and location of the tapes for the man who finds it.

The book starts here, with the detective investigating the murder of the dead man. He finds the guy's wallet, but the ID inside doesn't belong to the victim. It belongs to the Cyril. Thus, the detective heads to the Cyril's apartment, believing him to be a prime murder suspect. There, he encounters the journal and learns the story of the telepath's life. He finds the material hard to believe, but as the night progresses, and the murder investigation uncovers new and baffling details, he starts to realize the truth in what he's reading. The journal itself is given out bit by bit, starting about 20 pages in, and consists the majority of the book(70-75%). The detective slowly evolves from narrative device to major actor when he finally accepts that he must find the tapes and carry out what Cyril was unable to.

Of course, you don't get close to unmasking a conspiracy without stepping on a few toes. Cyril left something else for the detective - competition. Three other parties want the tapes. The people behind the conspiracy, obviously. The FBI, who Cyril "borrowed" the tapes from, and who have their own reasons to keep the contents confidential. And a group of other telepaths, who introduced Cyril to the conspiracy to begin with and helped him investigate - until he found reasons he shouldn't trust them any longer. These three groups are shown searching for the tapes from the start though their identities aren't fully revealed until the detective reads about them in the journal. However, due to conflicts between the three of them, no group is able to make advantage of their head start over the detective and get the tapes. Of course, Cyril is still around as a wild card too. This all leads to a final four-way confrontation near the end.

This is the the basic set up of the story. Like I said, the bulk of it is Cyril's account of his journey, but the way I have it set up adds a lot more excitement to the story, I think. The journal article and real time events build upon one another, so I can set up good cliffhangers at the end of each scene, both the past ones and the present ones.

Anyway, I ask for you to be as brutal as you can in your critiques of my structure. No one would hate it more than I, if this story came out confusing, or worse unimaginative. I understand I've left out a lot about the nature of the conspiracy(which is actually non-paranormal - how could a telepath spend time in a major city and not come across a conspiracy?) and the specifics of the paranormal activity, and I'll add those later, but for now, any thoughts on the way I've set up the story would be greatly greatly appreciated.
 

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I'd advise paring down the journal entries to less than a quarter of the book. I think the fear might be with the common perception that a bunch of journal entries can't possible be exciting. Here's the other problem I see: you haven't made it clear who the hero is. Is it Cyril or the detective? I say kill Cyril and let the detective be the hero. If Cyril is that crucial to the plot, which he shouldn't be since his journal supposedly tells all, then make him a ghost or something.
 

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I have issues with conspiracies, government agencies and psychics who aren't capable of searching a guys apartment.

I also have a huge issue with Cyril leaving behind a dead body. It sounds like a "Ha-ha! It was me all along!" or a "This dead body is SOMEONE YOU'VE BEEN READING ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME!" Either way it would have to be done right to not be flung.
 

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I can't comment on whether or not the structure of your book works without reading it. Anything summarized is going to do the actual flow and word misjustice, so it's impossible to know. (And, no, this isn't a request to read it, I don't like conspiracy thrillers.)

What I can comment on is your presentation of your story and say that if this is an example of what you send out, you have problems. I find this summary confusing, disjointed and actively turning off any interest I might have in reading the entire book. (You did say you wanted blunt, right? :D)

Cyril is a telepath who seeks to unravel a conspiracy, gets taped evidence that proves it exists and identifies who's orchestrating it... but mysteriously disappears before exposing it. He leaves in his wake, a dead man and a journal with his account on the significance and location of the tapes for the man who finds it..

This is confusing. You present me with Cyril doing something and failing in the first sentence. As someone who knows nothing about this story, I'm expecting Cyril to be the hero as a default because I don't know any better and 99.99999% of all summaries start out with the hero. And this guy disappears before he acheives his goal, which means he's failed. This is very unsatisfactory. So this is a major shock and adjustment of expectations. The first (actually only) named character is a failure and he's not the hero of the book (hopefully) and I have no flying clue why any of this makes any kind of difference to anything at all.

Your first sentence, and I'm already on the path of confusion. This isn't a good start.

The book starts here, with the detective investigating the murder of the dead man.

Why do you feel the need to tell me where the book starts? Why wouldn't you start the summary with the start of the book?

Now you give me "the detective" but he (I have to go to the next sentence for that information) doesn't even have a name. This tells me automatically that he's not our Hero/Protagonist/MC and so I'm getting into the second paragraph not knowing who I'm supposed to be pulling for in this story.

He finds the guy's wallet, but the ID inside doesn't belong to the victim. It belongs to the Cyril

Is "the Cyril" the same person as "Cyril the telepath"? Why the distinction? More confusion and by now, with no clear hero, no clear idea what's going on, I have no interest in finishing your summary, let alone ever asking to read the book. Honestly, I had problems reading the rest of your post because I was so disinterested in the story you presented.

Now, if this was just shorthand for the post, that's cool, and I might just be out of the loop as a newbie to the board. But if you have something of the same problems in your query and synopsis, you need to address them before sending it out again.

Hope this helps.
 

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The journal itself is given out bit by bit, starting about 20 pages in, and consists the majority of the book(70-75%).

IMHO, that would be the kiss of death. (Unless a reader really enjoys reading diaries which, admittedly, some do.)

The problem with using a diary is that you are removing your readers from the action. The exciting parts aren't happening 'before their eyes' (so to speak), but are being reported by someone else (think what is more exciting - hearing someone tell you about their trip to France or going to France yourself). Because the information in a diary is already a fait accompli, the suspense isn't as strong as it could be - the end is already a foregone conclusion.

I'm not saying to ditch the diary entirely. But why not make it more cryptic? That way you can mix things up a bit and give your dective a more active role in this story. For example, the diary could lead your detective to other sources who elaborate on the story (a bartender who tells a little bit of the story he's witnessed, or whatever).

But as far as the rest of it goes, I think it is very interesting. I like the plot as you've outlined it. It definitely has a lot of possibilities!

Good luck!! :TheWave:
 

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This is just my opinion, so take it or toss it as you see fit.

I think you can make it work, but then again - it's all about the execution.

I'd make the detective the protag, start with the discovery of the body and journal (the body is unidentifiable and assumed to be Cyril etc.)

Then intersperse your story lines between present (detective) and past (Cyril). This will help keep the suspense up. But it's also a tricky feat to do right.

Have a chapter with the detective trying to solve the mystery (3rd limitedPOV), alternating with chapters showing Cyrus' story (1st POV). The thing is to sprinkle the clues between the two narratives and to link the narratives in some places (Cyrus' perspective on a character or location vs. Detective's)

This can help provide you with some good dramatic irony that will help keep tension in your story.

As the plot thickens, the detective (and by extension, the reader) begins to doubt that the body was Cyrus and the mystery/suspense deepens. What exactly is Cyrus' game? What's going on etc. Is it Cyrus trying to stop him or another party?

And with Cyrus being telepathic or whatever, it gives you even more angles to play and even more conflict/story/suspense/mystery potential.

Anyways, in my opinion, if done right - you could have a really good thing here. It already sounds like it could be a movie and that's the type of stories agents/editors like to see. Stories like that make them see dollar signs and, in their eyes, that beats good writing anyday.
 

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Thanks for the responses. I've heard something similar about the journal format before, but I don't see why it has to be uninteresting. I mean, I know the feeling when shows or movies do the flashback thing poorly and you get a show that is out of order for no reason, or as a cheap method to create tension, but it's something I've tried to avoid here. The book opens with characters conflicting, showing strong emotion over these tapes, but the detective has no idea of their motivation or even their existence. The book is his cliff notes explanation of the strange world he's starting to find himself in. Are there any examples you can think off that do the flashback/journal thing well in your opinion? I'll probably query with it this way to start with, just because so much time went into making it snap, but if it fizzles, I'll just start the book at the first journal entry and go linearly.

I have issues with conspiracies, government agencies and psychics who aren't capable of searching a guys apartment.

This is just an issue with the summarization. One of the groups actually does reach the apartment before the detective and does find a copy of the journal Cyril left behind on his laptop. The version Burton gets is handed to him by Cyril's next door neighbor, who was given specific instructions to give it to the first cop that came by.

As for the body being revealed as someone familiar issue, well, it would seem a lot more hokey if it was just some random bum pulled off the street. I can definitely understand how it would be cruel if revealing who it is was some big confusion, but that information comes out less than halfway through the book.

The book is really about trust and misplaced trust. A telepath should be able to know exactly who to trust and who not to because he can hear their thoughts, but Cyril finds that's not the case, both at the personal level and at a societal level(which is really what the conspiracy is about, the specifics don't matter, it's really just the nature of it). That's the feeling he passes on to the detective through the journal. The detective both learns why he should trust the words he sees on screen and not trust the people working around him as he reads more from the journal and starts seeing proof around him. The question is, can he figure out who he should help and do it in time?
 

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Are there any examples you can think off that do the flashback/journal thing well in your opinion?

The Witching Hour by Anne Rice did it well. Actually, the journaled/research history on the Mayfair witches was what kept me reading. LOL!

The version Burton gets is handed to him by Cyril's next door neighbor, who was given specific instructions to give it to the first cop that came by.

Thank you! I figured the detective had to have a name. LOL!

The book is really about trust and misplaced trust. A telepath should be able to know exactly who to trust and who not to because he can hear their thoughts, but Cyril finds that's not the case, both at the personal level and at a societal level(which is really what the conspiracy is about, the specifics don't matter, it's really just the nature of it). That's the feeling he passes on to the detective through the journal. The detective both learns why he should trust the words he sees on screen and not trust the people working around him as he reads more from the journal and starts seeing proof around him. The question is, can he figure out who he should help and do it in time?

Now it's sounding to me like you have a kinda Great Gatsby thing going here--your main character/narrator isn't the hero. It also sounds like you're doing that play on belief/morality that is so nicely done in the Peter O'Toole movie, Stuntman. All right, I think I know where you're coming from now. Very cool to mix the two of them.

Of course, I could still be totally off-base.
 

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Whew, more responses. Thanks guys!

Now, if this was just shorthand for the post, that's cool, and I might just be out of the loop as a newbie to the board. But if you have something of the same problems in your query and synopsis, you need to address them before sending it out again.

Yes, absolutely this is just for the summary. The query starts with the detective walking in on the murder scene, and takes his POV from there. I also haven't really sent it out yet. I'm just trying to absorb early responses about the plot.


But why not make it more cryptic? That way you can mix things up a bit and give your dective a more active role in this story. For example, the diary could lead your detective to other sources who elaborate on the story (a bartender who tells a little bit of the story he's witnessed, or whatever).

He does do this! He gets eyewitness accounts from people who saw strange occurances related to the murder. He gets bits and pieces from the FBI agents which corroborate what he's reading in the journal. He talks to various CSI techs who have found details that make no sense without the context of the journal.

Have a chapter with the detective trying to solve the mystery (3rd limitedPOV), alternating with chapters showing Cyrus' story (1st POV). The thing is to sprinkle the clues between the two narratives and to link the narratives in some places (Cyrus' perspective on a character or location vs. Detective's)

This can help provide you with some good dramatic irony that will help keep tension in your story.

This is exactly the story format. The detective is essentially trying to solve the murder with the clues he's getting about the overall case from Cyril's journal. He carries the journal around on his PDA and reads in between new discoveries. Along with his 3rd person accounts, there are interspersed accounts from the other three parties trying to get the tapes. All four of them come into contact with each other over the course of night but they don't come into direct conflict until the last scene. About halfway through the journal the story starts twisting so it isn't clear which of the three groups is behind the murder and who is trustworthy. It isn't until the last entry that the truth becomes apparent and even then the issue of who gets the tape is still up in the air.

Edit: Lol Deleyan, yeah, the detective does have a name. Almost all the characters have names. I just didn't want to make things more confusing than they already were by tossing them in.
 
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He does do this! He gets eyewitness accounts from people who saw strange occurances related to the murder. He gets bits and pieces from the FBI agents which corroborate what he's reading in the journal. He talks to various CSI techs who have found details that make no sense without the context of the journal.

Lol. It sounds like we are getting clues about this project just like your detective. ;)

From your initial posts, I guess that I was thinking that over three quarters of the book would be from the journal. But it sounds like you have a lot more going on than that.

About not liking the journal...for me, it is just a personal quirk. I just don't like reading that format. I'm also not wild about first person POV. Not sure why. But plenty of people enjoy it, and it sounds like you've got support from the forum.
 

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Well, in order to take the ride I would need a really solid reason for telepaths being sometimes inept and sometimes superheroes.

Superheroes:

Able to Foil, and pilfer, FBI.
Able to avoid detection from vast conspiracies, other telepathes.
Knows that a murder will fall under the jurisdiction of a detective who won't, for whatever, reason, but leaned on and ursurped by Federal Agencies.
Able to sit around and write lots and lots and lots of stuff about their goal without actually fulfilling it.

Suddenly inept:

Unable to read some dudes mind.
Unable to read some dude's next door neighbors mind.
Unable to find the dude.
Unable to avoid being slowed down by conspiracy, FBI.


It has been said many times before, and is exactly right, this story depends entirely on the execution. If you're looking for a pass/fail as far as the plot goes, it looks like you have it.

Just promise me...promise, promise promise that the detective doesn't read the journal from beginning to end if the end has some relevant information. I'd just...I'd have to kill everyone you loved.
 

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Thanks for the summary. Those points are all valid concerns and are addressed to some degree or other(many, knocked out by the fact my telepathy only has a range of about 20 ft and is just the passive hearing of thoughts).

I also promise the ending of the journal isn't something like "And now I am finally ready to tell you, the tapes have been strapped to the dead man's legs all along!" The detective needs to do some detecting by reading what the entire journal has to say. Without forcing him to learn the whole story, he'd be just as likely to return the tapes to the FBI, and anyone else who got their hands on the journal would know exactly where to find tapes from the start.
 

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I agree that journal content is not the kiss of death, although it depends heavily on execution. Some mystery stories work well with the point-of-view hopping you might get out of a journal entry or some other change of voice. Mr. Sebastian and the Negro Magician by Daniel Wallace is a recent, effective example.

It might do you little good to hear critiques of your summary, but one thing that stuck out like a sore thumb for me was the use of "conspiracy" as a magic word to replace substance -- that is, whatever that conspiracy was supposed to be about. (Elections? Drug trade? Arms dealing? Terrorists? Realistic conspiracy resembling real-world politics and business, or "conspiracy theory" style conspiracy with DaVinci Codes, Illuminati and other X-Files features?) The very word "conspiracy" conveys more attitude than fact, so stopping at the point of saying someone uncovers a conspiracy without mention of what it remotely has to do with introduces an immediate air of confusion and pre-loaded sentiments. We might be inclined to cross-reference this with contrived and confusing conspiracy stories of which you're not even guilty while trying to assess the facts of the rest of the story you offer here. It would be really interesting if the guts of that conspiracy pertained on some personal level to the telepaths involved, and that would make its substance a driving point of the story.
 

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I always feel unclean whenever I drop the C-word for the exact reason you described, but I have yet to come up with something that saves me about 10 lines of valuable advertising space in queries or other summaries.

For example, this is as short as I can explain it:

The "conspiracy" , a business one, is a scheme to suppress certain(very specific) alternative energy research projects. Cyril gets introduced to it because a professor he is good friends with suddenly vanishes, but only realizes the incident isn't isolated when another group of telepaths tell him. This group doesn't have any personal connection to the project and are investigating it to, let's say, do good. However, they quickly convince Cyril to join even though he isn't keen on their methods, because he does have this personal connection. As Cyril's investigation starts turning up puzzle pieces that don't fit and the FBI's own investigation of the missing professor starts taking an unhealthy interest in Cyril's personal life, he realizes that everyone may have ulterior motives that he's not skilled enough to see. So yeah, Cyril does eventually try to root out the conspiracy, but the real story is about his struggle to get back his life and figure out who, if anyone, he should trust, even when he can supposedly see their innermost secrets. The journal is his way of passing on what he's learned so the detective can finish the job without making the same mistakes. Now, the Detective, as a decent civil servant, has a sense of obligation to find the truth, putting him in the same position as Cyril was at the start. Exactly the same, because he really has no reason to trust Cyril.

The responses I've gotten here so far seem to say the problem's with the presentation. But how would I sum up something like what I have above? If I try to say too much about Cyril, new people worry about a journal getting too much airtime. If I don't say enough about Cyril's story, everything sounds cliche or tenuous - telepaths fighting federal agents fighting masterminds of a conspiracy, with the one good cop trying to unmask a decades old secret and save humanity. The market's saturated with things like that. Even the version above has cliches(an underground society of telepaths, a vast alternate energy conspiracy) that are dealt with in the book, but I can't sum it all up.

I know more talented writers have written far more complex stories with more complex structures, but any way I market mine is either confusing, hackneyed or way too long. Should I just hope that the agent doesn't throw away the letter in disgust and actually reads the 5 pages?
 
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The one thing that keeps striking me in your posts is that they're not very tightly focused on the story. You start making a point, and then start pulling in different tidbits from this and that part of the book--which is part of what's confusing me, at least. Disjointed is not what you want to be when putting together a query or synopsis.

Remember the purpose of a query blurb--it's a 10 second sound bit marketing tool within the scope of a business letter. Probably not more than 2-3 short sentences, if that. It's what the TV Guide would write about your book in order to get people to watch that at 10 pm.

The purpose of the synopsis is to prove to the agent/editor that you can handle conflict, build tension, introduce and raise stakes. That's it.

Both of these pieces take a very focused, very direct view of the book. It's not trying to cram an elephant into a match box, or even a shoe box, which so many people seem to default to thinking it needs to do and it seems you're doing. It's a snap shot of one element of the story that they're most interested--it's the picture on your book's personal ad, so to speak.

Maybe you need to change the way you're viewing the story to pitch it--when writing these things, try thinking of Cyril and Burton more as a team (maybe an odd mentorship?) as you present the facts of the story. That way, you'll probably cut down at least some confusion in that regard. Pulling their efforts together like that might allow you to give us a clearer vista of everything you're doing.

Hope that makes sense.
 

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Alright, I'll rethink my strategy. First, I'll focus on finishing the editing. All this summary agonization is drawing time away from actual writing.

Thanks for your insight guys.
 

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I have an idea to make the journal more interesting. Have it speak of things that come true right as Burton reads about it. This is called 'fun with psychics.' Watch Minority Report and Deja Vu. In MR, the hero finds out how handy it is to have a psychic with you when you're trying to evade the police. In DV, the hero is given a way to look back in time exactly four and a half days, no more, no less, and can only see things once as they pass by. Therefore, he reacts to things in the past and gets to solve puzzles that crop up today. Both are fascinating movies and they can give you examples of how to make the journal interact with the present.
 

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This is roughly what happens - that is something happens in the journal which correlates with what something that follows in a real time scene(or vice versa). But no one is actually psychic, they just hear thoughts. Occasionally that level of understanding can help them predict what a person can do next, but it's not actually seeing the future.

I appreciate the advice because it would heighten tension in a story format, but I try to steer far far away from any sort of time travel and visions. Maybe it's because I can never get around the corny ways that these things are accomplished, but I absolutely hated Deja Vu, and Minority Report only had my interest because of the action and Spielberg's visual portrayal of the future. Telepathy, I can accept, as simply a way of deciphering someone's brain signals from a distance. Telekinesis is a bit tougher (mostly because its hard to figure out any limits or control mechanism) but I can swallow it. Time-travel though completely warps the fabric of reality. I don't think we understand the nature of time well enough for authors to employ it, without making it come out like a deus ex machina. That's just my reaction to it at least.
 
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