Sensitive subject Getting kicked in the ..how debiliating is it?

SherryTex said:

Guys, help me out here. Would it make you fall over? Cry? If a woman who was mad but old, kicked you there with all the force she could summon, could she take you down?

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A full on strike would certainly take you down and you would lose interest in doing anything much for a good 10 minutes

Waylander got it right, if a bit understated. It feels like someone stabbed you in the gut with a wine opener and then piledrived you into rusty nails.

I can recall each and every time I have been kneed like it was two weeks ago. I saw an old friend about two years ago at a wedding and then saw his younger sister (about 30 now). After a few minutes of conversation about the last 20 years or so of our lives, I asked her to finally confess that her knee all those years ago in PE soccer was intentional. My friend laughed and said, "I knew you'd bring that up!" She had no idea what I was talking about.

As a woman, there is no way I could imagine the pain...
But what I wanted to input here is that my fighting instructor told me that a lot of men expect that kind of move, and he advised me to aim for the shins instead. They are easier to hit, it hurts really bad, and immobilizes the perpetrator long enough to give you time to run away.

Sherry. I've got an old metal frame chair that I sit in, cushioned, doesn't swivel. There's been times, especially when I used to play online MMORPG games and I tried to get back in my chair quickly cause maybe something was attacking me, etc. when I didn't quite make the chair and sat on the padded metal arm rest, only slightly. It still made me double over with horrible lower stomach pain. Even a relatively hard flick of the finger could double someone over. A full on kick would be debilitating.

Women will never know what kind of pain it is, just as men will never know what kind of pain childbirth is. But I would have to guess a full on kick with a wide foot would be pretty close to equal. Only, childbirth lasts way longer than the pain of getting kicked.

P.S. Another note if this helps. Sometimes, there's a delayed pain of a few seconds and then it's stomach wrenching pain. You feel the hit, but you don't feel the true pain that hits the abdomen/lower stomach/even kidneys until a few seconds afterward. I hope that helps.

That is the most sensitive part of a man where even a slight flick and bring tears to a man's eyes. I heard a long time ago that if kicked hard enough it can actually short circut and scramble your brain. NOW i don't know it that is true or not -certainly wouldn't want it put to the test!!! But you can see that it causes immense pain and momentarily imobilizes a guy. (Check my spelling as a lot of these words seem wrong to me?? Anyway I think you can get the gist of what i'm saying.)

Kevvers

My ex-wife kicked me in the cod sack a few years ago.

She "didn't mean to.".........anyone believe that?

So anyway....I dropped on the ground and couldn't really move much for a good 5 minutes. I was helped inside the house and deposited on the bed. After 3 days of extreme pain I went and had an ultrasound and found out everything was cool. Coincidentally (I think not) my body quit making testosterone at the same time.

Okay, yes, for full disclosure it CAN cause complete debilitating pain. It's a perfectly fine technique to use in a novel. Now for the real-world discussion.

First, off the testicles are behind the penis for a reason. A direct kick to to the penis doesn't do much damage at all. Ideally, you swing up to strike your target from underneath. One of the techniques I used to teach in women's self-defense courses was to just swing the whole leg up rather than trying to use the foot in a karate-like straight-on kick. A knee can work, too, but if you're that close, the angle isn't as ideal as using the leg from 30" away.

Second, aim is one of the first things to go in a real fight. You've all seen the cop shootout videos where people empty entire magazines at each other from 10 feet away and miss all over the place. The testicles are an easy target to miss. Usually, the kicker hits the thighs, hits too high, etc. A second try is difficult because he's alert to that attack.

Third, some people, when planning for violence, wear cups. They're not complete protection, but they work wonders for casual kicks. True story: in karate tournaments, even in point competition, you hear about cups being broken. I've seen it. (Tell me that's not scary, guys.) I know that's not relevant to your story, but there it is. Also, you can withdraw the testicles into the body cavity for further protection. Sumotori do it when competing.

What also works well is a grab and squeeze. There's a karate technique where you strike the abdomen with the other hand while you yank away. The low strike causes the body to instinctively withdraw the testicles, at the same time as you're trying to remove them. Gichin Funakoshi, the founder of Shotokan karate, used a groin grab when confronted by a would-be robber one time, and that was all it took to end that encounter (he later felt bad because he figured it was an out of work soldier after the war; Funakoshi would have been at least 70 at the time). The grab doesn't work in tight pants, but the clothing in your setting would definitely allow it, and your control is much finer than with a kick.

Probably more than you wanted to know about crotch-kicking, but if you're going to do research, you might as well be thorough.

Richard Pryor's description of his heart attack comes to mind. It's like something grabs you and says, "DON'T BREATHE!!!"

Everything but the pain evaporates in an instant: the ground, the air, dignity--will to live. What else could make a normally (reasonably) self-assured guy curl up into his own bellybutton and not care if the entire planet walks by and knows at a glance exactly what happened...

I guess this is why my eldest sister's teenage boyfriend didn't like me, when as a five-year-old, I'd punch him in the pee-pee when he came to pick her up for dates. From what I've read here, he was amazingly reserved. Or wore a cup.

Of course, a direct kick won't always bring your opponent down..........your bad guy could be drunk, coked out, too stupid to feel pain, bad shot placement, lots of adrenalin moving through his system, or a garden variety eunuch.


P.S. Forgot to add.........your location and climate can make a diffrence as well. Up north in a cooler climate, all parties involved may have heavier clothing on and could soften the impact. Oh sure, a pair of pants................right. Bad guy could have undies, thermals, and pants on while he's beathing the victim down. Likewise if the victim has heaver than normal gear on it could slow her movements and impact down. Seen it happen.......well, not seen it, but the report after the fact. Kinda like when that one officer shot a guy who had a heavy down coat and the round failed to penetrate well enough to take the guy down.

As for woman.......guys, life her arm and whack her in the armpit. It can be comparable. That, or a direct shot to the ol' areola can do as well. We used to teach our female MPs to be aware of those spots when restraining bad guys.

I can remember a time in that one bar.............when there was that karate instructor........and we were a bit tipsy.........oh never mind.

A kick to the goonies?

I have a male friend who, whenever we all get together, somehow always ends up in the fetal position, moaning and unresponsive, at least once during the night. I tell you, that guy is never having children.

i got shot with a paintball right in the balls once.

most painful minute of my life.

but that was about how long it lasted.

Bravo said:

i got shot with a paintball right in the balls once.

most painful minute of my life.

but that was about how long it lasted.

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Same. For the PG part of my bachelor party, we paintballed. I ran out at a bad moment, and ended up catching many rounds in the junk, ass, and thighs trying to revocer from a prone position. The legs and ass were bruised the next day, but the giggleberries wore only sore.

I'm not a dude, but I've heard if you hit 'em hard enough a guy can actually puke from the pain. That's all I got.

Lloyd... dear God. I don't have testicals and I still hurt reading your "research."

Sassee said:

I'm not a dude, but I've heard if you hit 'em hard enough a guy can actually puke from the pain. That's all I got.

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Throw up or possibly pass out.

Lloyd... dear God. I don't have testicals and I still hurt reading your "research."

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That was my goal.

I can use this! In my WIP, you knobs. Thanks.

LloydBrown said:

That was my goal.

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Mission accomplished!

True story: in karate tournaments, even in point competition, you hear about cups being broken. I've seen it.

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Yeah. I was wearing one, and it was broken when we went from stand-up fighting to ground fighting. My joint lock went south, but not as south as the other guy's punches. Cracky-cracky went the cup. Ouchy-ouchy went I. Uncomfortable, sure, but not nearly as much as had there been nothing in the way at all.

Then there was the time I was doing some stick fighting and backhanded my opponent in the nads. He had to take a temporary break.

Difference between the two instances, as others have pointed out, had to do with what was between the testes and the blows. Case one, busted cup still provided some protection. Case two. Light shorts and boxers did nothing at all.

I mostly agree with LloydBrown. If the strike is off-target it might not be very effective. But, most of the time a shot to the groin will cause unbelievable pain. During those few moments of total agony, nothing else in the universe matters.

Long ago, I studied karate and would occasionally work out with my brother-in-law who was a heavy-weight boxer. I once (accidentally) kicked him in the crotch but apparently was not fully on target. He didn’t even flinch. Luckily, we were good friends or he would have ripped my head off and used it for soccer practice.

And, as LB. said, grabbing a handful can also be extremely effective. There is a technique in which you reach between your opponents legs, from the rear, grab a big handful and squeeze for all you’re worth. As you straighten up, your forearm acts as a lever, which pulls down on your grabbing hand which, in turn, is holding onto your opponents sack. This immediately brings your opponent up on his tip-toes, while bringing about an equally immediate change in attitude. The agony is both audible and visible.

You end up to the side, and rear of your opponent, with one arm running under his pants from the rear. With your free hand, you hold your opponent’s arm, while you “control” him with the grabbing hand. Believe me, the “grabbee” will go anyplace you “aim” him. This is another horribly painful experience that will live in your memory forever.

All of the above. In full contact sparring even with a cup, it's still possible to kick the testes right up into the body cavity. Getting them back out, now that's tricky!

If you're a martial artist with good control, you can deliver a kick that just lifts the scrotal sack slightly. It's amazing how that can tune up someone's attitude!