"On Serious Literature" by Ursula le Guin

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hehe. Not really a serious article. Michael Chabon is my second favourite author. I finished The Yiddish Policemen's Union about a month ago and adored it fully. I don't care how they classify him, in my book he rocks the Casbah. I dig the way he is getting all noir-y. Dig it.
 

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Yeah, Franklin's quote is idiotic -- as is a lot of the writing on Slate. Terrible journal all the way around.

What is "serious," anyway? Who defines it? I can think of 50 genre writers right off the top of my head who are doing what I'd consider serious work.
 

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I like her work but much of the time these genre writers writing reactive diatribes against literature really kill it for me. It smacks of a kind of insecurity that only proves what the critics of genre fiction say.

I read both. I like both. They're both different, and have different aims. It's too bad genre fiction heavyweights aren't above this stupid and pointless debate.
 

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Lord. Le Guin is a serious heavyweight, and not just in genre fiction, RG570. She's got multiple works in the Norton Anthologies, last I checked.

You've pretty much just made her point for her, though.
 

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I like her work but much of the time these genre writers writing reactive diatribes against literature really kill it for me. It smacks of a kind of insecurity that only proves what the critics of genre fiction say.

Literature is genre-driven.

You give me a novel, I'll give you its canonical genre.
 

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You are good, Medievalist! But I wouldn't argue with your statement. :D

Regarding the le Guin article, I think it's fabulous, and hilarious. And I think she is saying that both "sides" are just as good and enriching and important to literature, and we ought to drop the ridiculous dividing line.

I could be wrong. That's been known to happen. Frequently.
 

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Serious

I like a great deal of literary fiction, and I like a fair amount of "serious" literature. And I like a great deal of genre fiction.

The only certain thing here is that Ruth Franklin is a first class idiot.
 

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I think Le Guin's point is that McCarthy and Chabon won Pulitzers for works of genre fiction. If those same works had been written by genre fiction writers, they would never have even been considered.

I thought it was a wonderful essay by Le Guin - it was also published in Harper's. Did anyone get the "...preserve the virginity of Yado..." reference?

Hey, Medievalist: Les Liasons Dangereuses?
 

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What Med is doing - very well - in the case of both Moby Dick, and Dangerous Liasons, is referencing genres that are no longer popular.

Herman Melville wrote sea epics, and travel adventures. This was similar to Clive Cussler at the time, just of a higher quality in general.

At least Doctors of Divinity aren't writing book reviews anymore.
 

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But are these really genres (epistolary, bildungsroman, etc.) or are they just forms of literary expression or plot? I'm not a scholar so I'm just asking -- what is the definition of genres, and how is it different than the commercial definition (such as SF, romance, etc.)?
 

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Also, I've seen an interesting dividing line among my friends and the books they read. Sometimes people buy a book to better themselves. Sometimes they buy a book because they are passionate about reading it.

Often times, the best books fall in both camps. More often, the best books start in one and trick the reader into the other.

This kind of division cuts both ways.

Slate is, for the most part, entertaining as much for its hubris as it is for its wisdom.

Ray, they really are genres. Epistolary novels were quite popular among women in work camps. One woman would read one letter aloud while the others are toiling. After each letter, discussion ensued. Whereas the travel literature was marketed and sold to a different audience, indeed.

Regardless, both were derided by the reviewers of the time as drivel. By golly, everyone should be reading the Bowdlerized versions of Shakespeare, and non-fiction collections of important sermons.
 
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But are these really genres (epistolary, bildungsroman, etc.) or are they just forms of literary expression or plot? I'm not a scholar so I'm just asking -- what is the definition of genres, and how is it different than the commercial definition (such as SF, romance, etc.)?

No, those really are genres.

And honestly, most novels can be associated with more than one genre.

It's quite common for a novel by a known successful-will-earn-out author to be designated for multiple cover designs in trade and mass market formats to appeal to readers who look for a specific genre.
 

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Yep. Definitely genre. Dickens was sort of the serial-installment Stephen King of his day, for that matter.

Chabon and Cormac McCarthy, for that matter, are writing genre as well, as far as I can see -- their genre just happens to be "Mainstream Literary."
 

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Oh, Medievalist, I got one for you that modern genre categorizers struggle with:

Perdido Street Station

And, for something a wee more historically odd:

The Bacchae by Euripides
 

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Thanks. I know mine get categorized in many genres -- either mainstream literary or literary romance or coming of age (bildungsroman). Of course, the book stores don't usually define genres so finely, so they just stick the book in literature or romance. ;)
 
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