Politically Correct or Historically Accurate?

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Neeli

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I found this on the eHarlequin website under what editors hate (or something like that), and I got a bit worried:

"I work on Historicals a fair amount, and I'm not the most PC person in the world, but each time I review a manuscript that calls a half-Native American/half-white man a 'half-breed' it gets immediately rejected. To me it is not only an indicator that the writer doesn't care about the mixed hero, but also that their writing probably isn't going to reflect any sort of modern sensibility [thus appeal]."

Now, my theory had been that if you are writing from a certain character's perspective (close 3rd person POV or first person) that you need to describe people as that character would. So if the heroine knows the hero is half-NA/half German, she might think of him as a half-breed.

i.e.: I saw him again, sitting at the corner table, chewing a wad of tobacco. A worthless half-breed. I wanted nothing to do with him.

And in my story set in the 16th century, the characters use the term "man" or "mankind," not "human" or "humankind" or "people" to refer all homo sapiens, regardless of gender. Women haven't reached equallity yet in my story's time. The double standard on sexual activity exists and is a factor in my plot.

And if you are using a narrator I think that you might or might not use politically incorrect terms depending on how who your narrator is. An omni- God-like narrator had better be sensitive, but a narrator like Lemony Snickett, who is a de facto character of the Series of Unfortunate Events story, might not be.

So are we supposed to write historically accurate viewpoints or bow to "modern" sensibility/appeal?

I'd love to hear from people who have had conversations with editors on this subject.

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I think that the editor making that post has forgotten to provide a context. I think you're fine.

There's a difference between, say, a minor character, and the narrator, for instance, using the phrase "half-breed."

Go look at some Harlequin Historicals; that's the best test.
 

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If you're writing Harlequin, clearly it has to be according to their rules, whatever they may be.

For anything else, go with historical accuracy. The semantics don't matter; your modern "sensibilities" will come across in the overall themes and morals of the story. IE, you are not going to lead the reader to the conclusion that "half-breeds" are worthless and dumb.
 

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Political correctness...

Not too long ago, people wanted Taming of the Shrew banned (sexism), and Huckleberry Finn ("n-word" Jim).

Acknowledged classics have a way of tweaking the politically-correct. Was Mark Twain a racist? I doubt it. Was Shakespeare a sexist? Wasn't everyone in his time?

I'd think it's pretty obvious that using the n-word or "half-breed" in the author's voice would be pretty offensive (and possibly unpublishable). But in a character's voice? Aren't novels allowed to have racists as characters? And then, there's the whole historical accuracy thing...

You'll love this: I once heard an interview with a newly-published author of a bio of General Custer. When the author got the line-edited MS back, every instance of "Indian" had been changed to "Native American," including changing, "George Custer, Indian-killer," (the way Custer referred to himself) to, "George Custer, Native American-killer."

The author called his agent in a panic, fearing that his book would be ruined. His agent told him he can reject any suggestion made by the line editor...
 

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i.e.: I saw him again, sitting at the corner table, chewing a wad of tobacco. A worthless half-breed. I wanted nothing to do with him.

Well, I'm new to this so I'm not sure how useful my opinion would be here, but tbh I think that for a Harlequin (in particular) that it's essential for the reader to sympathise / identify with the protagonist and, if I'm honest, I'd really struggle to sympathise with a character who called someone a 'worthless half-breed'

That's not to say that I think we should be overly 'pc' at the cost of historical innacuracy but that perhaps you could 'write your way around it' by maybe having a lesser character say those words or have her say it in a away that implies she's not truly comfortable with it but knows no other way of saying it?

But that's the wonderful thing about character development (imo) in that she can behave in a way we're uncomfortable with if you give us enough 'excuses' for her behaviour to keep us reading for just long enough to witness her development as the story progresses.

Good luck, I'm sure you can do it!
 

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"To me it is not only an indicator that the writer doesn't care about the mixed hero, but also that their writing probably isn't going to reflect any sort of modern sensibility [thus appeal]."

I have no problem with the term half-breed. That's what they were called them. Doesn't show anything about how the writer feels about the character. It shows how historical accuracy. Screw modern sensibility.

But then I'll never submit to Harlequin, so I don't have to worry about it.
 

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Historically accurate, every time.
 

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as mentioned, try to be historically accurate, imo. i say 'try' because, as mentioned, modern sensibilities are likely to intrude on a lot of the behavioural aspects of characters that can make them inaccurate. that is, what was socially acceptible a thousand years ago might be viewed as awful today, changes are made to reflect our current morals, but that's not always accurate, per se.

i think the lines drawn between character behaviour then v. now are pretty obvious. since harlequin isn't exactly wanting their readers to have their beliefs challenged, you might have to tread carefully on certain things. i say if it's one of those really accurate depictions, you're asking the wrong publisher as perhaps harlequin romances aren't the best source of historical information a person could find (in terms of what was socially acceptible and behaviour patterns, that kind of thing ~ i'd expect the textbook facts to be in order).

the slavemaster beating mugombo with a cane shouting, 'you damn dirty nigger!' isn't likely to impress harlequin editors or readers, but saying the 'slavemaster whipped mugombo with a cane pole and shouted racial epithets' isn't likely to offend anyone, eh? outside harlequin, though, and, yeah, go for the real deal as far as your research indicates, your editors will allow, and what your audience expects.

editors are always going on about how much they want this and that, yet you pick up a book and, pfft, it's like they don't practice what they preach sometimes. 'always write in an active voice!' oh, okay, that's why i counted fifty 'was' and 'had' per page, then, huh? 'be original and concise!' yeah, right, just like dan brown....
 

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I found this on the eHarlequin website under what editors hate (or something like that), and I got a bit worried:

"I work on Historicals a fair amount, and I'm not the most PC person in the world, but each time I review a manuscript that calls a half-Native American/half-white man a 'half-breed' it gets immediately rejected. To me it is not only an indicator that the writer doesn't care about the mixed hero, but also that their writing probably isn't going to reflect any sort of modern sensibility [thus appeal]."

Now, my theory had been that if you are writing from a certain character's perspective (close 3rd person POV or first person) that you need to describe people as that character would. So if the heroine knows the hero is half-NA/half German, she might think of him as a half-breed.

As Lisa said above, we don't really have a context for that remark. Just my opinion, but I think there is a difference between a "manuscript" calling someone a half-breed and a character calling someone a half-breed. If it is clear that the word is coming from the character's thoughts, this editor might feel differently. I can understand an editor being put off by an omnicient narrator using a word s/he finds insulting.
 

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From what...

I know Harlequin are interested in selling romances. History is a setting for their styles of romance, not important. I've had to review a few Harlequin romances which weren't historically accurate.
 
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I'm firmly - obstinately - on the side of historical accuracy. I hate how school textbooks are rewritten and history altered/suppressed to fit the current p.c. view. If we writers don't battle the tide, who will?

On the other hand, one does need to go with the publisher's guidelines if it doesn't change facts. In the example given. I'd simply ask what Harlequin feels comfortable with that expresses the same bigotry (since I'm assuming that's why the MC uses the term).

"Native-American killer". Oh, yeah, I'm sure Custer said that. Right after he set his teacup on the doily. That is definitely altering fact.
 

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"I work on Historicals a fair amount, and I'm not the most PC person in the world, but each time I review a manuscript that calls a half-Native American/half-white man a 'half-breed' it gets immediately rejected. To me it is not only an indicator that the writer doesn't care about the mixed hero, but also that their writing probably isn't going to reflect any sort of modern sensibility [thus appeal]."

For every one of these editors, I hope and believe there are at least five editors who would immediately reject the book in which General Custer was referred to as a "Native American-killer".
 

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I know Harlequin are interested in selling romances. History is a setting for their styles of romance not important. I've had to review a few Harlequin romances which weren't historically accurate.

Um...good point. I don't know very much about romance, but I have heard that historical romances are not required to be historically accurate.
 

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Right, Celia. Especially when it comes to brand-name publishers like Harlequin, they have a "corporate identity" that they are very careful to guard. Some might call it pandering, but the bottom line is that Harlequin maintains their image by doing their best not to irritate readers.
 

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OK, I have a question. Having aboutthismuch Cherokee blood, I never looked at "half-breed" as a racist remark, but if it isn't politically correct, who's supposed to be insulted? The Indians or the Whites?
 

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I can SO relate to this topic.

My first three books were regional history. In my third book, about enterainment history in Cincinnati, I had written a chapter detailing the history of black people in Cincinnati until the 1960s and how it all related to their entertainment. (In short, the black population was segregated from the whites. So they created their own entertainment venues.)

After my chapter was complete and edited, I had three very-well educated black people (one of whom I didn't know at all) read the chapter. They had no problems with it.

Later, I submitted the manuscript.

First, the publisher rejected my double-meaning chapter title. The title was "The Dark Side of Cincinnati," meaning that the treatment of blacks in Cincinnati was, well, dark. And the other meaning was obvious. But the publisher didn't like "dark," so I changed it to "The After-Hours Joints," which was the blacks' version of the speakeasy. They took that one.

THEN, when I got my proofs, every instance of the word "black" had been changed to "African American." I nearly had a heart attack. I argued that in that time period, the term "African American" did not exist. It was black, and worse. To use "African American" would have been cumbersome and historically incorrect. Finally the publisher relented and "black" stayed. My one use of "Negro" also stayed.

I've heard no complaints.

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OK, I have a question. Having aboutthismuch Cherokee blood, I never looked at "half-breed" as a racist remark, but if it isn't politically correct, who's supposed to be insulted? The Indians or the Whites?

I'd say it's the person with no specific identity--the "half-breed" himself. I think it is hardest for children from two heritages to fit in with either heritage. They don't know whether to be like Mom's or like Dad's people. And neither people accept them.

Also Veinglory is correct in that it dehumanizes the person. Dogs and horses are referred to by breed. For humans we usually say "blood." Of course good breeding is supposed to be a good thing to have, so go figure.
 

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Historically accurate every time.

Please don't laud Harlequin editors -- they can be wrong just as often as anybody else so don't take their word for anything until you get a second opionion.

I sent Harlequin a story set in 1800s England. As a history buff, I made darned sure my historical details were accurate. They rejected because it wasn't historically accurate. (Insert bovine waste here to know what my reaction was.) Maybe I checked the wrong history books for my background information.
 

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I know people who are half-breeds. They call themselves that and seem proud of it...yeah, go figure!
 

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In this world...

It isn't a race specific insult IMHO--it is more the matter of refering to a person's breed like they are a dog.

I'd say it's the person with no specific identity--the "half-breed" himself. I think it is hardest for children from two heritages to fit in with either heritage. They don't know whether to be like Mom's or like Dad's people. And neither people accept them.

Also Veinglory is correct in that it dehumanizes the person. Dogs and horses are referred to by breed. For humans we usually say "blood." Of course good breeding is supposed to be a good thing to have, so go figure.

I know people who are half-breeds. They call themselves that and seem proud of it...yeah, go figure!

Obviously, none of y'all has been called half breed. It is a term of disdain just like niggraw, red nigger, thief, squaw lover, and the such.

Learning the language of our ancestors is important to knowing what the terms mean. Although these terms may offend us, it is important that we see them and experience them to know how that word or phrase relates to others, especially the recipients of those names.

I disagree with H. 's editor. Removing the word from our consciousness makes us open to a return to those types of words.
 

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Please don't laud Harlequin editors -- they can be wrong just as often as anybody else so don't take their word for anything until you get a second opionion.

Well, if you're trying to get published with Harlequin, you should probably adhere to their standards. Apparently, Harlequin believes that historical romance should have a "modern sensibility." If you disagree, you should probably publish your book somewhere else.
 
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