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I'll put my current thoughts and ideas here, in a sort of a diary. You are free to comment.

I'll start with the big WTC subject. This terrorist act was a fascinating movie in itself, you can't deny it. I know it was evil, painful, traumatic. This war is still not over. The movie should be equally big. So far "World Trade Center" and "United 93" have been made. Firefighters who don't even enter the buildings and people on the last flight. No one of them in the center of the action. No insights into the motives of the terrorists.
The things which should be shown in such a movie include, in my opinion:
1. The hell itself, that is the "Towering Inferno" situation inside the towers, above the place where the plane hit.
2. The previous situation inside the towers, that is people preparing for work in big corporations, computers, views outside. I've heard that there was a videoconference between somewhere and WTC at this very moment and suddenly the screens in place A went blank. Everyone wonders what was inside the buildings. The towers when they were intact, with windowcleaners, morning routines.
3. I would avoid pathos, martyrdom, patriotism. It's difficult to see all those rich yuppies from 30 countries as national heroes.
4. I would choose one or two persons inside the two main planes as important characters, with flashbacks to their whole life and an exact description of their plans that day.
5. To avoid presenting the passengers as a homogenous mass. But this is also how you present the terrorists. They were not some Palestinians from the 1970s, but educated people with an intricate plan. I would show the plane simulator training process, Atta pretending to be a Saudi prince, their meetings with Bin Laden in Afghanistan, the camps there, their background, childhood, youth in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
6. I would show the process of planning the attacks by Bin Laden.
7. It should all be full of emotions, going deep and not a documentary, rather a football game.
8. I would avoid big politics there, because the targets were civilians, and the whole show was intended to be viewed by civilians around the world. So I wouldn't concentrate on the military, firefighters, presidents, but rather on the lack of protection against such aggression.

My aberrant idea here is the story of a suicidal man who decides to jump out of the windows in the WTC on September 11.
 

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Wow. That's a lot. You're kind of all over the map with your ideas. Valid points, and interesting angles, for sure. But it's an awful lot you're striving for here. Sounds more like the scale and scope of a mini-series.

The WTC thing is easily one of the most emotionally-charged issues of our time, at least from the American perspective. Any film rendering of it during the next five years needs IMHO to be handled with exquisite care and diplomacy. No film project that attempts to approach it will be free from many thousands of prying eyes and meddling hands.

Best of luck.
 

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And another note from MHO:

I kinda sense an overt enthusiasm in you here in this thread. My own experience from my own many bursts of inspiration over the years from my own muse has been that there are frantic moments of "Oh my God!" that I undergo when I get such an amazing avalanche of ideas for just one film project that I absoluetly must tell it/share it/shout it for everyone to hear. And --strange as it seems-- going through the motions of such sharing somehow helps me catalyze the idea more thoroughly than if I had just stewed over it all by myself. And then, after I get it out of my system, and have worked through the whole sharing-of-the-initial-idea bit, I am able to retreat back into my seclusion of being a writing with the door closed [/Stephen King] and spend months in isolation just writing the living shyte out of it. Until at last the work is finished and I can finally open the door [/Stephen King] of my writing studio and share the completed manuscript with people.

I don't know if you're like me in respect to that whole process, but I'm kinda sensing that maybe you're in a somewhat similar oh-my-God-I-have-to-share-the-initial-idea mode at the moment. If so, congratulations and chanel that enthusiasm as best you can.
 

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Truth to tell, I'm not sure what to make of this. On the one hand it's a gripping story that hasn't been told and should be -- on the other hand, if I've read things right, there's a fictional subplot about a suicidal man who coincidentally decides to jump out of a WTC window on 9/11.

Of course, ideas are dime-a-dozen. Writing a screenplay that's capable of attracting interest is something else. What's your story? Try presenting the above as a 25-word logline* that makes your idea stand out from a thousand other terrorist perspective variants that each claim to be unique.

With something like this, you have to absolutely check all your facts, and then check them all again.

* If you haven't already, see The Construction of a Logline article on the Two Adverbs site.

-Derek
 

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Wow, wow, wow... Thank you so much for sharing your ideas European. I've started writing a script based on it. Should be over with and copyrighted within a few weeks. Anything else?
 

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Today: I thought about this crime movie where a deaf person would have advantage over those who hear normally because he/she would be able to cross some special zones protected by extreme noise.

And that J.Lo video: we would go to Texas or California before 1848 where she would be a grand lady in buildings which still exist today. To show the Hispanic tradition there.

I also think that your black rappers need a big movie. Their videos rarely contain any plots. What sort of a movie? I'll tell you soon.
 

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Uh, bad news, those aren't story ideas, they're brain farts.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with brain farts -- given more time and careful thought, stories may well evolve from such gaseous emissions. But, farting in public is generally regarded as rude.

Take a little more time and let your idea seeds grow further. When you can come up with a 25-word pitch that makes sense and suggests you might actually have a story to tell, that's maybe when to kick off any discussions.

-Derek
 

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We're all missing the point.

European should write a book about a European -- or about an European, take your pick -- who has so much time on his/her hand he/she farts a million ideas a day, all of them worth potentially $80 gazillion at today's Lalaland rates. Except, wait, that would actually require writing something, like a book, and whew that's a pain. What about European on a talk show, maybe call it European Talk Show, or even better Your Opinion Talk Show starring European (marketing is easy: "European wants your opinion." (Say it three times fast and see how glib is it to the tongue and mind.) But wait even more coz derek says he can sell twelve ideas for a dime, so why doesn't European visit Derek and get filthy rich? Derek is in Scotland, and that's practically Europe, and Derek must be manufacturing dimes, coz I think I'll join European and start selling ideas. And in all those dimes I get from Derek I'll make an obelisk and carves some weighty notion into the melted coin: "An idea isn't worth shit if it always stays an idea."

(Writers beware: European's first few posts sound exactly like a producer talking at the beginning of YOUR pitch. "What do you think of this?")
 
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I think people are being a little harsh on the guy.

Maybe we need a "jam room" here at AW --you know a place to jam.

Musicians can PLAY their instruments, or they can JAM with them--which is just kinda plucking notes and seing what sounds cool. And when two or three musicians jam together, they can accidentally come up with some really awesome stuff. Granted, MOST of the time, jam sessions are nothing but a lot of random noise. But every now and then, a jam session can really produce something incredible.

I'm thinking Eurpoean is just itchin' to do some serious jammin' with other writers.
 

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So tell us about your story?
-It's about a cop.
Yes?
-Yes what?
You said it's about a cop.
-That's right.
So does something happen to this cop?
-You think something should happen to him?
Well, it usually helps the story if something happens.
-He goes for a run every morning.
So he's out running, and...?
-Then he takes a shower and puts on his uniform.
Great setup, we're involved with his daily life, we feel him.
-We feel his being.
He's a complex individual.
-Very.
So he's out running and maybe he stumbles across...?
-A crack in the sidewalk.
I was thinking maybe a hold-up, or a body in a skip.
-He's more into traffic.
He's a traffic cop?
-That's how I visualize his arc.
He's a traffic cop, on the streets, he sees many things.
-Mostly cars.
Criminals, dealers, pimps, the oozing underbelly of the city.
-It's a quiet family neighborhood.
Is there a love interest?
-Obviously he likes cars.
I meant the kind of love interest that wears a skirt.
-Well, there is a woman.
Now you're talking.
-She does 35 in a 30 zone.
He's in pursuit, siren screaming, lights flashing.
-She pulls over.
He struts toward her, his leather boots gleaming.
-He writes her a ticket.
She'll do anything to avoid paying a fine, anything.
-He warns her about the dangers of speeding.
She unbuttons her blouse and licks her lips.
-She promises she'll drive safe.
It's the start of a hot forbidden love affair.
-Hey who's writing this, you or me?
Okay, okay. So tell us about your story.
-It's about a cop.

-Derek
 

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I think people are being a little harsh on the guy.

I'm thinking Eurpoean is just itchin' to do some serious jammin' with other writers.

Alright, jamming time... How about this...

Jack lives in a hotel. He likes to kill people with an axe. He's not psychotic, he's just "different". It's what Jane, a sexy social worker, finds out after a visit to the mental institute. Determined to re-insert him into society, she introduces him to ping pong in order to keep his wrist busy... To her astonishment, he will in no time become a world champion. A story about tolerance, sports and true love.

(adaptation of the Shining for the Specialty market)
 

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You are all so gentle.
Yes, I'm too lazy to write an actual script, or a novel. Partly because I've estimated my chances, partly because I really don't have so much time.
But these ideas come, and I can't help it. Writing them down purifies my mind. I've found the perfect environment here.
I've read all this theoretical stuff about pitching, loglines, treatments and so on, but somehow feel it kills spontaneity. Hollywood makes 100 movies a year, with 20,000 scriptwriters fighting to get there, and a whole business centered around their dreams.

OK, now the movie about rappers:
So far we've had a rich Eminem playing a poor Eminem, a rich 50 Cent playing a poor 50 Cent. Now we need, and want, to see a prominent rapper's whole career, from poverty to riches nowadays. He would be played by a professional actor, and wouldn't be based on a single figure, but rather would represent the typical path. We would jump through decades - the 1980s, the 1990s, the 2000s. This contrast between their modest beginnings and opulence now is fascinating. Of course a black rapper. With details concerning the gangsta years, recording studios, their position in society now. How has success changed their families' and friends' attitudes towards them. We could even go deeper, as in "The Roots" and investigate this man's ancestry. Or he could investigate his ancestry by going to Africa (to Senegal :)

Derek: this woman hunts policemen and destroys them, because at age 16, arrested for alleged prostitution, she was abused at a police station. At gunpoint.
 

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Now we need, and want, to see a prominent rapper's whole career,

Speak for yourself. What I want to see is the story of an amazing rock/metal band (Evergrey, Saxon, Nevermore,...) that has built a successful career without any coverage in the rap/pop junk infested mainstream media. A story about defiance, integrity and thriving, though unknown to the average TV viewer, counter-cultures. How inspiring is that?
 

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You are all so gentle.
Yes, I'm too lazy to write an actual script, or a novel. ...
But these ideas come, and I can't help it. Writing them down purifies my mind. I've found the perfect environment here.
Why don't you get a blog ?

You don't want to put the effort into your own ideas, I understand.

Just dump them on a blog and you'll be purified.

Or you could type them in here, but don't hit the [Post] button ?

Mac
 

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ba da bing to Mac for killer line of the month
"just don't hit the button" freaking brilliant

Bogart looks at Lolobrigida with a look that kills.
BOGEY
You can try to forget you lied to me, Sweetheart, and I'll try to forget that you owe me money. I can see you want to defend yourself, and tell me you weren't lying or playing make-believe, so go ahead and put up your defense but just don't hit the button.
 

European

I prefer fighting to a blog.

As to music, I find this new punk culture interesting and worth exploring: Avril Lavigne, No Doubt, Courtney Love. Graffiti, skateboarding and shrieking. What are its origins? These performers are white.
 

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Do you dislike the guy because you disagree with his ideas or because he's European? (By the way, Scotland is in Europe) Or because he actually told us what he's thinking, instead of "I'm writing a script, and I need some help with the Second Act..."?
Sure, maybe it's not the most exciting read ever, but I thought the point of forums was to exchange knowledge for free and share our ideas so we can make them better. Even if some of us are European.

By the way, I'd cut out the flashbacks from the 9/11 story and try to find a main character to guide the audience through the story. Films based on real facts are often detached and impersonal. That's why I think Vietnam films are more successful than WWII films: they tell the story of one man as opposed to trying tell the story of an entire battle.
 
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Nobody dislikes anybody, Pryce.

I just need to see something more than "It's about a rapper" before I can maybe imagine a story that I might be interested in. Watching that story build up word by word over several days is gonna be slow entertainment. :) But, if that helps someone get their thoughts together, so be it. Of course, think first and post later might work too.

Scotland is in Europe, yup. :Thumbs:

-Derek
 

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Do you dislike the guy because you disagree with his ideas or because he's European? (By the way, Scotland is in Europe)

Seannie blue knows that Scotland is in Europe. He was just joking--but a person would have to get to know his sense if humor to figure that out. :)


As for whether or not his being from Europe has anything to do with anything ...

Or because he actually told us what he's thinking, instead of "I'm writing a script, and I need some help with the Second Act..."?

My general sense of the culture and the mores of this message board is that writers come here with a professional attitude, and professional aspiratons. Not all of us are professionals (yet) but we hope to be, and at least looking and acting and talking like a professional seems to be an expectated prerequisite for interaction on this board. And asking for help with some aspect of the Second Act is perfectly acceptable in the history of this board, especially if it's done in a courteous and professional manner.

But this guy isn't aspiring to professionalism. He's just jamming--just brain farting, just gooffing around and sitting back on the top bunk at midnight in his dorm room while six other semi-wasted guys all lounge around on the floor below, smoking spliffs, eating cold pizza and beer, and saying, "Hey, man, what if ......" And the fact that he's already admitted that he's too lazy to actually write a screenplay and is just here because it amuses him (or rather that WE amuse him) is not winning him any support. We all work too hard to be bothered with someone who might very well qualify as an outright tosser. Spliffs and cold pizza at midnight in a dorm room ain't professional.

This guy is starting to sound to me like a particular breed of troll the likes of which I have seen before. And you are starting to look like either an accomplice or a sock-puppet to his trollery. So I sense a few people here are finding this all to be an annoying affront to their professionally-minded sensibilities as well as a waste of their time and of the space on this board.

Being Euro has nothing to do with it. Being a potential tosser and/or troll does.

I may be wrong about his and your being trolls. If so, I apologize. But I don't think I'm wrong that he's at least coming across as a tosser.
 
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Being Euro has nothing to do with it. Being a potential tosser and/or troll does.

I may be wrong about his and your being trolls. If so, I apologize. But I don't think I'm wrong that he's at least coming across as a tosser.
Yeah, innocent until proven guilty, PD. But I think he's bearing up to the dog's abuse he's been getting rather well. :)

-Derek
 

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Script ideas are like Spartan babies. Only the best are chosen to survive and be developed into maturity. The problem right now is European has no birth control for his ideas. I get hundreds of ideas a month. I am sure most writers do. We can't write them all. We pick our ideas, write the screenplays and then seek feedback. Frankly it's just a burden to wade through a buckshot of ideas most of which will never reach fruition.

If someone has a great idea that they felt was so good they invested months researching and writing, we will be happy to give honest feedback. That's what these boards are for. Not some sort of spaghetti test.
 

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I imagine that just a fraction of your screenwriters are foreign-born.

Now space exploration. Recently we've had lots of photos from probes of moons, planetoids. We are ready, yes, for an almost educational movie which would show a trip through our own real Solar System in the future. Just because now the shapes and sizes of all those objects are much better known. Such a project would attract the whole human race :)

As to war, soon movies about Iraq will start to be created. Another traumatic subject. Iraq is such an empty country, with its deserts, something like Somalia in "Black Hawk Down". Oriana Fallaci wrote this book "Inshallah" about the massacre of American soldiers in Lebanon in I guess 1983. A similar setting. You should certainly show your aircraft carriers, the whole military might, and try to explain why the terrorists and insurgents have been so successful. Vietnam had the jungles, where soldiers were often in isolation. This recent "Thin Red Line" was quite good (I know, not about Vietnam).
Generally, movies start to be more and more bloody, which is not an attraction for me. Check Thomas Kyd.
 

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I agree, Derek. So I am reserving full judgement at my end and entrusting the handling of this entire matter to your capable hands.

And hubbabubbs .....

Script ideas are like Spartan babies. Only the best are chosen to survive and be developed into maturity. The problem right now is European has no birth control for his ideas. I get hundreds of ideas a month. I am sure most writers do. We can't write them all. We pick our ideas, write the screenplays and then seek feedback. Frankly it's just a burden to wade through a buckshot of ideas most of which will never reach fruition.

If someone has a great idea that they felt was so good they invested months researching and writing, we will be happy to give honest feedback. That's what these boards are for. Not some sort of spaghetti test.


Yes. A buckshot of ideas. (This whole post of yours is just priceless! Rep point for you, dude!)

I originally thought he came here with just ONE idea that was burning through his soul. So I started off very sympathetic to him simply because I've been there myself. But right now I just need to leave this thread and not be bothered.


::ETA::

Aw, man! I can't believe I just wasted my 1,000th post on this guy!
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