HOW DO YOU GET A SIX FIGURE ADVANCE

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Ty T

Hi I was reading on some other posts that it is possible for a first time author to get a six figure advance, I was wondering what is the factors involved to get this. Is it purely on how good your book is or whether you've got tons of publicity lined up for it

In what conditions would a publisher give an author a six figure advance:
 

batyler65

I believe you might get better answers to your question in the Novel Writing Forum, so I've moved this there.

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James D Macdonald

How do you get a six-figure advance as a first-time novelist?

A) Write a good book.

B) Be lucky.

Only one of those things is under your control.
 

veingloree

It helps if you rub shoulders with the right people and are widely considered to be a genius.

Failing that you have ta write a book and drag it 'round all the agents and publishers like everyone else ;)
 

Ty T

What if you had lots of publicity lined up with the potential for alot more, would this help

Also does the book need to be excellent or could the idea be excellent
 

HConn

I have an alternate path to a six-figure advance for a first novel:

1) Become a movie star or President of the United States.

2) Write a book.

Good luck with that.
 

Tish Davidson

advance

If you're someone notorious like Monica Lewinski or the Unibomber, it might be possible. Otherwise...
 

Ty T

ah so in a way if you do have lots of publicity for yourself and the book that would help
 

Ty T

I didn't start this post about me personally, I just meant is it possible and what factors apply to getting such a large advance.
 

veingloree

Re: advance

A lot of people have good ideas. The publisher won't gamble on them unless you also have some proof that you can turn a good idea into a great book. These enormous advance 1st time author stories are people capitalising on a siutuation rather than planning it. lets face it, if the folk here knoew how to do it, we would (and probably keep it a secret too).
 

Ty T

So thats like coming back to my previous point
If you know how to kind of manipulate the media and other outlets, that kind of thing
 

Gala

Six figures

Uno: An excellent story, well crafted.
Dos: Persistence.
Tres: Belief in yourself.

For the rest, luck is enough and may occur sooner than Uno, Dos, Tres.
 

Ty T

Yeah I suppose

Has anyone ever heard of any authors getting a six figure advance
 

James D Macdonald

Does anyone know of any authors that get a six figure advance

Yes.

Meanwhile, why not go over <a href="http://www.nicholassparks.com/WritersCorner/Index.html" target="_new">here</a> and read what the man says?
 

Gala

of course

Has anyone ever heard of any authors getting a six figure advance
Both Clintoons.

Stephen King when he wrote Carrie umpteen years ago.

A first-time author in Tacoma Wa. I read about when I lived in Seattle. Book was optioned for a movie. IMHO the book was lousy and the movie never happened, but sometimes flukes happen.

Michael Crichton when he was new and young.

John Grisham for "The Firm" when he was unknown--it was movie optioned.

Probably Donna Tart for her second book, written many years after her first.

The six-figure myth isn't always a myth; the public only knows of those who continued to publish. Many others have slunk away to the slough of despond.

etc.
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Publicity: see numero Dos above; persistence.
Obviously if nobody sees your book or knows about it, well...
(note to self: "obviously" and "see" redundant.)
 

Ty T

So does it depend soley on how good the plot is cause I suppose at the time they didn't have very much publicity behind them
 

Ty T

So do you think that if you can get it optioned or considered by a movie first, this helps matters
 

Jamesaritchie

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It's good to remember that both Stephen King and Tom Clancy received four figure advances for their first novels. King received only $2,500 for Carrie. Now both receive eight figure advances.

Unless there are extraordinary circumstances, teh writer is already famous for something else, the novel is a movie tie-in, the novel is a sequel to a famous novel such as Gone With the Wind, etc., first time novelists are extremely unlikely to receive more than low five figure advances, and will often receive four figure advances.

This is not necessarily a bad thing. If you want to kill your career quick, receive a six figure advance and sell only four figure number of novels. It happens.

Publishers only give advances they think will earn back, no matter who the writer is. And as I remeber one publisher saying, "If you want a million dollar advance, just write me a novel I know will earn two million dollars."

This is really the secret. If you want a six figure advance, then something about you or the novel will have to make the publisher pretty much absolutely certain the book will earn twice as much as he's giving you.

Manipulating the media isn;t any good. Eitehr you have a reason for being well-known, and for this degree of fame to make publishers think it will translate into novel sales, or you don't. Publicity alone is often worthless.

If your name is a household word, you'll receive a six fingure advance. If not, you'll most likely have to earn the six figures from royalties.

New Writers worry too much about the size of the advance. A huge advance can be as much a minus as a plus. A novel given a huge advance can fail to sell and ruin a writer's career. A novel with a small advance, on the other hand, can sell two million copies, and make the writer's career.

Nearly all the famous writers out there started were given very small advances for their first novels.

The only quibble I have with Sparks" advice is when he says the paperback market was much larger in the 70's. It really wasn't. The problem now isn;t with teh size of the paperback market, but with the size of the conglomerate publishers and the fact that these publishers are really run by accountants. They want a constant turnover of writers in hope of finding the next King or Clancy.

He's right in saying that writing a good novel isn't enough. It must be a good novel that has mass appeal, and since no one knows why a given novel has mass appeal, you just write the best you can and hope your taste in writing translates into the public's taste for reading.
 

SRHowen

Come up with something no one has done before. Jean M Areul Clan of the Cave Bear, six figure advance many years ago--

Does publicity have anything to do with it? No. Unless as noted above you are already someone the public knows well and wants to know more about. Or you are the first to write about some popular event.

How good the plot is, publicity--etc etc---seems that the question is really--is there a short cut to getting 6 figures no matter what the book is like.

The answer to that is NO.

WRITE A DAMN GOOD UNIQUE BOOK.

Shawn
 

Ty T

What is a good sign

What is a good sign concerning publishers

If they reply quick does that mean they are interested or they're not
 
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