Do you have to be in Hollywood to succeed?

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I know it most certainly helps but having dabbled a bit here and there with script writing but I never looked at it seriously because I didn't want to move to LA.

Can one be a successful screenwriter and not be in Hollywood or New York?
 

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I suppose the best person to answer that is some one who is

a) not in Hollywood

and yet

b) has indeed succeeded.

or else by someone closely affiliated with just such a person (which I am not).



My understandig is that because of the internet and the ease of transmitting documents electronically, writers of today don't NEED to be in NY or LA to suceed. And yet, I'm also told that the whole business is still very tightly wired into the whole "who ya know" scene of networking and building up the rolodex. So even if you just hit "send" on an e-mail query from your home somewhere in Cental North Dakota, and you get a fabulous e-mail respose to it, they still will often (not always, but often) want to meet you and have you do an in-person pitch.
 

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Can one be a successful screenwriter and not be in Hollywood or New York?


Can one? Sure, but that is the exception, not the rule. It sure is hard to start out anything trying to be the exception...

The face-to-face is a real issue. When I do business (and no at the moment, my primary busines is not in movies or LA in any way), I will often make decisions based on the face-to-face meetings. Ideas come and go, but people tend to stay the same. If I meet someone, in person, I can tell if that is a person I can work with.

I can't do that without the meeting.

I think if you are in a position to fly out for meetings tomorrow, then that will help your career greatly.
 

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it's not advisable for new writers to make the move (unless your young and have no responsiblities except for youself) because it is quite expensive to live in LA (now, if you're going to east hollywood that's a diff story ;)) but mostly because new writers may never ever be good enough to make it in the business and you will have made the move for nothing.

until then you will have to pay for trips to LA for meetings. they move slow out there so the "moments notice" flight is usually not as urgent as you would hope. newbies get anxious about a meeting. seasoned producers can wait, can shelve it, can relax - and most will be flexible if you say you can't get to LA for another week or so.

however, once you make a sale and have better proof that you will have some success then you can make the move.

that being said - feature writers can write anywhere. tv writers must eventually live in LA because you work as a team with other writers and you must work in an office with that team every day. the work habits and style must be adapted to the tv industry.
 

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In THEORY, if you write a good script it doesn't matter where you live.
In REALITY you have practicaly no chance if you're not in LA.
You want to write sitcoms in NYC, you'd better be under 35 yrs and smooze
about 25hrs per day.
 

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What they said. No you don't have to. Yes it helps.

What is East Hollywood? And I don't think LA is any more expensive than any other city, less so than many.
 

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What they all said, plus Pez.

I was in East Hollywood last night, where the apartments glossed with tobacco and dank back views go for $725 a month.

This morning I was at home in the Hills, which I will be leaving for good in three days, and my neighbor's mom stopped me in the driveway to ask if I knew who the strange men at the water tower were. Oh, she said, you're Sean and we haven't met and now you're leaving, where? Africa and America, I say. She is the director of one of the biggest-grossing comedies ever (has the word "World" in it) (though her latest movie didn't make much), and she has tried to call me about local politics in our four-house gated community on top of LA, and now here I am.

P: "You're a screenwriter?"
Me: No way. I do poetry and chase ideas.
P: "Oh, you're many levels higher than the rest of us, then."
(laughter)
Me: Well, I write some bad poetry --
P: "No such thing. Why Africa?"
Me: Friends with situations.
P: "Inspiration, you mean. Too bad. We should have a chat."
Me: When I come back, for sure.
P: "When do you come back?"
Me: As soon as I make a movie for twenty-five grand with Peter Fonda that grosses more than twenty million bucks.

P. likes that, we shake hands. I have a friend, and I know her daughter will speak generously of me, since I always play with the babies and throw grapes at the dogs.

Ta, ta, I drive up the driveway, shaking my head. Been here more than three years, in a dreamhouse on top of the Hills, writing and filming and recording music, and here is opportunity bumping into me yet again, days before I leave. Her comedy grossed over $200 million. She liked the line about the twenty-five thousand dollar movie.

My landlord is at the house, showing the place to a star-in-the-making Asian-American actress/comedienne, and a Penthouse Pet is standing on the driveway, tapping her shoe dramatically. I am late for a shoot, and I apologise. My landlord talks about somebody named Jennifer or Dominique to whom or for whom he has sold three houses, and about how she didn't think Forrest Gump would make any money so she took a cool mil up front to produce while Zemeckis and Hanks took nine points and look what happened.

We start the shoot while the landlord shows the actress/comedienne the place, and then I am conscripted into making the sales pitch. The Pet shakes her head and I ask her why she's annoyed. "Your landlord thought I was a real estate agent, so I told him I was a model and he sniffed at me." This is a serious problem. I can always use frowns in the picture, but a bad attitude can ruin a day. Listen Melanie, I say, he thought you were a real estate agent coz I asked you to come dressed conservatively in a business suit, remember, and I even wrote in my e-mail that you should wear something that makes you look like a . . .

"A real estate agent," says Melanie, smiling. "I fooled him."

We shoot for five hours and Melanie is intelligent and ambitious and cries in the scene about polar bears drowning in the Arctic while looking for a floe to stand on, and the shoot gets interrupted by my pal who cannot decide whether she should design for Guess (cash) or a kids TV series (rep), and we're watching the sun go down when my upstairs neighbors pull in from a long drive with a cat in the backseat, and I think to myself the city of angels will stay in my blood awhile because my upstairs neighbor is a cool, cool hombre who managed some of C&W's biggest acts and is very receptive to the idea that he and me jet off to Nashville to make a tiny art doc about how a song gets written, right there on the spot, in five minutes, and Kristofferson and Faith will sit down for an hour no problem (except I remind him that we won't spend more than 15 minutes on each, because WE don't have the time), and the cellie rings and it's BadTV in NYC saying a song I wrote in five minutes is 13th top-rated song on youtube music vids, and I tell that to my upstairs neighbor as he unloads the cranky cat from the backseat, and he looks at me like Of course, a song in five minutes, and that's probably the name of the art doc we'll make . . . when?

Thirty messages on voicemail when I get back in, alone, and see the hellacious intellectual property yet to be packed: 17 external hard drives, too valuable to be shipped, must be drive to New York from here on Tuesday or Wednesday and I am the mule doing the driving, carrying with me four computers and easily 400 tapes and several thousand DVD-Rs. The messages are full of people wanting to get together just quickly before I go:

The comedienne who gives away neat clothes at Burning Man, which reminds me that Burning Man called last week and left a message that Carli needs to talk to me about whatever it is I am filming there. The comedian also named Sean, who is brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, who I promised at the Improv that I would make him a small video, he calls and says he just got a concussion opening a cabinet in his kitchen so maybe it's perfect to film now. My music partner Paul in Venice Beach calls, he's got a gig with a Finnish superstar at the Hotel Cafe and I made her music videos and I should come by and say hello because maybe there is more business to be filmed in Finland this fall, but really he wants to talk about Gina Gershon. I could recount the content of a dozen other calls from today, each a string in a ball of opportunity and pleasure, especially the one from the Shakespearean actor who performed these lines of mine on Thursday night before going off to be body double in some Big Brother reality show trash:

A screenplay, says the artist,
is a stone in a city of amateurs.
It's a pebble, written for third-graders,
assembled at Kinko's
like an erector set at Christmas.

Lego as Literature.

But what is this impulse to write a screenplay?
The urge to put words into glittery movement . . .
that urge is a beautiful toxin of the mind.
I think, ergo, screenplay!

And he performs this piece like it's Othello and I shoot it in a way that is, well, like Othello, and I scribbled it in front of him in 60 seconds while we were filming other things and after we performed it he says, Where did that come from? And that's what I like about questions like

Does a writer have to go to Hollywood to make it?

you end up writing stuff, fired by the experience not just of being in Hollywood but realizing that you're always better off somewhere else. What life keeps a writer from swimming out of his cranny into the free-flow of ideas and creative impulse? How could a writer (poet, essayist, pornographer, John Irving, or screenplayist) not come here? Hollywood bristles with loss and desperation, shines with costume cash, and is fouled by abandoned dreams which stain its boulevards like the shit fouls the beaches at Santa Monica and south, all of us surfers susceptible to the excrements of 30 million people crammed into paradise.

If you're young, come out. If you're not young and have responsibilities, come out and cut every cord you have to if that's what your blood is hinting you do. But don't come here looking to become something other than what you already are. The marketplace of dreams is looking for what you have and not what you think the market will bear. Come as you are, ready or not, and you'll sink or swim according to the length of your horizons and the depths of your imagination. Hollywood won't notice and will not care about your welfare unless you are an interesting bauble it can affix to the shimmery tiara of personalities it wears on its crown, the marquee the rest of the world gawks at with glee.

Phone rings, it's Paul. Dude, I was taking pictures of Sting and Stewart Copeland last night at a photo gallery and I kept on thinking about what I should say to them, or to all the other stars who were there, like Gina Gershon and Pee Wee Herman and Wesley Snipes. I laugh at Paul's indecision: "Paul, why didn't you tell Gina that I still have her dresser in the closet, the same dresser you left behind when you moved out and I moved in. It's right there where she left it." Paul groans. Dude, why didn't I think of that? She would have loved to know how the house is.

The house is up for rent.

I will post the video with Othello doing "Ergo, Screenplay" and the Pet crying over polar bears along with my continued essay, forged right here in this advice to somebody who doesn't know whether Hollywood fits, attached to this awkward message of my own, intended to be two short sentences saying "What Pez said," because one of my regrets leaving here is that I never got to talk to Pez and collaborate on a short for the good people at AW, writers launching spears of precise construct at an uncertain enemy, at publishing, at Hollywood, at fame and always at fortune, heaps of it.

It's been a hilarious trip. Can't tell the start from the finish, but who wants to?

I tell the actors and models and wannabes who come over and play with my words that the important thing is the process. I want to capture the effort at making something interesting. The results don't matter. We're trying, and there are people who won't try who will watch what we're doing and think, Jeez I hope these people are using a safety net.

Look, I am flying. Who cares about the floor?

I'm in Hollywood!
 
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Made my first sale, held a couple dozen phone conferences and secured a contract for purchase + revisions + points with a prodco in LA, from right here in my humble apartment in Southern Indiana. And without an agent, to boot.

I'm sure it helps to live in or near LA, but a requirement? Not so much.
 

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Made my first sale, held a couple dozen phone conferences and secured a contract for purchase + revisions + points with a prodco in LA, from right here in my humble apartment in Southern Indiana. And without an agent, to boot.

I'm sure it helps to live in or near LA, but a requirement? Not so much.


And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the jackpot answer of the day.

(Although Sean's answer was certainly worth the read. Dude, you are so wired! I love your posts!)
 

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Congrats, Boo. Why don't you give us some of the details? The budget, the points, the sked? Who's the prodco? Will you be on set? Shooting where? Will you be paid for revisions, note incorporation, greenlighting, wrap? How will the points work? Whose accountant will deliver the information about the movie's gross? Or is this all IMdb accounting? Or is the movie slated for theatrical release at all, or DVD? Blu-ray?

The details make the rest of us much wiser, and might provide either hope or despair according to what the harsh specifics actually are. I can sell a screenplay tomorrow from Timbuktu and negotiate everything on Skype and at the end of the year I will be reporting a gross income on that sale of about four grand. I lov that wheeling and dealing, but it's not Hollywood. And it's very, very rarely lucrative. In fact, a writer can starve making sales to Los Angeles. Why not be in Los Angeles at the same time, where the taco stands sustain you for years and the heating bills are twenty bucks a month, and Hollywood, that monster, slumbers nearby?
 

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Congrats, Boo. Why don't you give us some of the details? The budget, the points, the sked? Who's the prodco? Will you be on set? Shooting where? Will you be paid for revisions, note incorporation, greenlighting, wrap? How will the points work? Whose accountant will deliver the information about the movie's gross? Or is this all IMdb accounting? Or is the movie slated for theatrical release at all, or DVD? Blu-ray?

I posted the whole process somewhere else here on the board, so for the sake of briefness I'll answer your questions in order:

Budget: low six figures, tentatively.

Points: 5% producer's profits

Schedule: tentatively begins shooting by the end of the year.

Prodco: for some reason I'm sheepish about saying here "in public." I can PM it, though, if you'd like.

Will I be on set: Doubt it. Didn't get rich off this first one, still have my day job as a case worker for the homeless to contend with.

Shooting: Primarily in Buenos Aires (which is where it's set).

Paid for revisions/notes/etc.: already been paid for the script + revisions. Far as I know they consider the script finished; I wouldn't have minded giving it another go 'round, personally.

Accounting: The prodco's been amazing with me. Doubt they'll try to screw me over. But I've no problem running the numbers by my own accountant when the time comes. Trust, shmust -- you can never be too safe.

Release: Aiming for theatrical, but I'm contractually guaranteed at least a DVD release. Hmm...wonder if they'll do a writer's commentary track...

I'll add one more thing not asked for, and which I think is key (based on my limited experience) in hoping to sell a script, regardless of where you live...

Though the prodco said they loved my script and my writing style in general, I actually got more praise for ME, who and how I am. They said, quote, "You have no idea how refreshing it is to work with a writer who doesn't have an ego, for a change."

I likened it to being a car salesman; you don't just sell the car, you sell yourself.

I'd recommend other novice writers (purchased or not, I still consider myself a novice) to keep that in mind. Because regardless of how good, bad or mediocre my script may have been, I tend to think I would never have landed this sale if I'd been just another egotistical writer.
 
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Good point. That's not something discussed much among writers, that last bit about ego. There must be a producers' forum somewhere with raging rants about writers and their expectations and extravagancies, especially self-delusion!

Congratulations, again, on the sale, and make sure to keep us updated on the filming process. And if they like you, take some vacation to BA and report from there . . .
 

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Just sold a pilot for a cartoon. Will get 5 percent of budget plus full writing credit. Was just offered chance to write 6 more episodes for said show but I have other stuff I am working on right now. And, I don't live anywhere near California nor do I have an agent.
 

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Just sold a pilot for a cartoon. Will get 5 percent of budget plus full writing credit. Was just offered chance to write 6 more episodes for said show but I have other stuff I am working on right now. And, I don't live anywhere near California nor do I have an agent.

So who negotiated the contract for you?

And is this your own creation? i.e. a pilot for a proposed series that you created? If so, I'm a bit surprsied that you would so freely surrender control over direction.
 

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So who negotiated the contract for you?

And is this your own creation? i.e. a pilot for a proposed series that you created? If so, I'm a bit surprsied that you would so freely surrender control over direction.


I negotiated it with the production company myself. I was approached about writing the pilot, by them, and I agreed. They basically gave me the vague, chaotic idea they had and I worked with them on making it tangible. They were not interested in partnership or co-ownership and I wasn't interested in taking less than that. I gave them some nuggets that they can build upon and I will collect a percentage of the production budget and the episode writing credit but I wasn't interested in doing more episodes at the current offer. My contract stipulated that I was expressly agreeing to do one episode. Cartoons are not my thing and at the current rate of agreement I wasn't going to write any more.
 
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Well, Shadow, looks like they're taking you kicking and screaming to success. I'm happy for you. Get what you can out of it, sounds like fun to me.
 

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Thanks,

It's a game of give and take. I know they want me to write a few more episodes for them.....what I want is for their parent company to buy my horror script. The way it COULD be is that I might agree to write a few more episodes for them (the more episodes they have, I suppose, the more it looks solid to their financial backers) IF they would agree to purchase one of my horror scripts or option it. Honestly, I think a strong pilot beats several episodes but they seem to be wanting to give the show a portfolio of scripts to show investors that it is concrete and will flesh out. If they were to option my horror script I would be more willing to fill their coffers for the cartoon. I think it would be beneficial to those on both sides of the table and I am hoping that with the multiple screenplay deals...technically from two different companies, that I would be able to get an agent or manager after that.
 

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The following is from a web-based conference call venue -- which is sort of like a web radio talk show. It's from an interview conducted two weeks ago on the show. It's the kind of format where you can call in and ask questions of the guest speaker. The host of the show is screenwriter Chris Soth and he's interveiwing a Hollywood development executive named Danny Manus who works for Clifford Werber Prodctions:


CHRIS: I’ve got another question from the 912 Area Code. This number ends in 8-4-3. And you’re un-muted.

SCOTT: Hi. This is Scott in Dallas. I just want to ask if you’re open to working with writers who are not in the Los Angeles area.

DANNY: Short answer: yes. We do. The one script we optioned off virtualpitchfest is from a writer in Illinois. I won’t say it’s easy. But yes. The short answer is yes. The longer answer is: why aren’t you in LA? And I do say this –and people frown and grimace when I say this at pitch fests and panels. But I do believe that if you want to make screenwriting your career, and not a hobby—and it is a great hobby—but if you want to make it your career, you need to be in a place where you can make it your career, and live, breathe, and smell everything that’s going around. You go to a coffee shop on any corner in Los Angeles, and there’s going to be at least a handful of other writers or people in the Business sitting there doing the same thing. Whereas, if you’re doing that in upstate New York where I was or even wherever--in Florida-- you’re not going to find that. And I think it is important. If you want to live in this business [you need] to be where it is—and that is New York or LA. I am a big proponent of it. But, the short answer is yes. If it’s a great script, and we want to develop it –obviously with technology today – we’re doing this—this kind of call—which shows the technology --

CHRIS: -- Right! Until you can move to LA, there will always be HollywoodByPhone.

DANNY: Yes. Exactly. We did notes and had meetings with our writer who did our project that lives in Illinois, and it worked out just fine. He did come out here for a week. I found him a manager --he was unmanaged at the time, and I found him a manager. He came out here for a week and a half and took meetings and sat with us for a couple hours about the script. So you have to have the ability to come out here, meet your producers, work with your producers. You have to be able to take the day off from work to do it. So it does get tricky, but not impossible. Definitely not impossible.
 

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I suppose the best person to answer that is some one who is

a) not in Hollywood

and yet

b) has indeed succeeded.

or else by someone closely affiliated with just such a person (which I am not).


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You definitely don't need to be in Hollywood. In fact, I'd say it was a positive advantage NOT to be in Hollywood. Everyone's a screenwriter or an actor in Hollywood. Things take on a certain unappealing artificiality and amorality. The whole thing gets a bit frenzied, like some bizarre in-joke gone wrong.
 

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...that said, if you want to go, like Rainy Night, you stand a better chance of getting a job in the business just by physically being there. BUT Rainy Night will be successful if he writes great scripts, LA or no.

PPS - I love LA when I don't have to think about the movie business. Only then does it becomes fun. Otherwise it's guaranteed to feed coronaries.