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Here in the East, home to literary agents, some kids actually do get their way in through the unsolicited slush pile. It seems that doesn't work with production companies; I've had one sent back unopened with a letter attached saying they could not read my treatment.

I've been through the WGA list, but it's varied. Are there any other listings for screenwriting/tv writing agents?
 

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Cynthia,

Generally you can't send a treatment or screenplay unsolicited. You must first send a 1-page query with SASE and if they're interested in seeing your material then you send it with the words "Requested Materials" written on the outside of the envelope, cover letter refreshing their memory about when/how they requested your stuff, a release form (theirs or a generic one you can download for free online at various screenwriting sites) and the treatment or script.

You can cut down on postage costs by e-querying and e-submitting (after their e-request for your material) where possible. But unlike publishing houses that will accept the first 3 chapters or in some cases unsolicited fulls, scripts almost always require permission. The only exception I can think of is when a prodco issues a call for scripts and states they want entire screenplays. If unstated, query first.

The Writer's Market has prodco listings and I think lists screenplay agents also but I'm not sure. Like with novel writing, getting a good agent before a feature sale is not the easiest endeavor in the world...keep querying and networking on all fronts until you get a breakthrough.
 
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Yes just give a good taste of the essence of the script -- logline and 3-line synopsis then your credits. Leave them wanting more...

Then follow up with those who request to read it and you may never hear from them again so repeat, repeat, repeat...for those you send a script to, wait 4-6 weeks before sending a polite status inquiry. If met with silence, wait another 4-6 weeks. After 6 months of that, assume it's a no...they've got your cover with your contact info anyway. "Don't call us, we'll call you" basically--spend your time trying to get the script in as many decision-making hands as possible. You can also consider contests, but those are always a gamble since usually only one reader will look at your script.

The main reason they don't accept unsolicited material is that if they're already developing a project similar to yours by coincidence (e. g. "I had a cartoon mouse in my script!!"), they don't want to be open to litigation. That's also the purpose of the release forms.

Good luck!!
 
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Generally you can't send a treatment or screenplay unsolicited. You must first send a 1-page query with SASE and if they're interested in seeing your material then you send it with the words "Requested Materials" written on the outside of the envelope, cover letter refreshing their memory about when/how they requested your stuff, a release form (theirs or a generic one you can download for free online at various screenwriting sites) and the treatment or script.

Pardon me for interrupting, but I've just spent the past month sunk in Lalalandia, and I cannot disagree more with this paragraph. Some people exist here to read these query letters, and others exist to read the unsolicited screenplays and the solicited screenplays. But who are the readers? How long have they been reading scripts? Is there any evidence that they could recognize a "good" script, and then if they did that they would know what to do with it?

Coverage comes from people -- talented people -- who will read scripts pushed by lawyers, stars, directors, producers and in some cases, writers, all of whom must have certain financial clout (meaning their movies have earned X amount of $). William H. Macy, for example, can ask a production company to consider a script from an unknown writer, and you bet it will get coverage (but probably not any cash). I was told yesterday that Harvey Keitel means "nothing" to the cash people in a movie with a budget over $3-million; look at his recent movies dying on the shelves at Blockbuster, and you can see why.

The average script reader in Hollywood is a twenty-something wannabe who will scowl through your submission thinking he or she could do better, and who is likely to be on the job for less than a year before being moved out (canned or asked to leave politely), or up, in which case they will be dealing with lawyers and other agency "insiders." These people are often the dregs of Hollywood nobility, and they show up at every level of an industry which is trying to slim, but is too fat to begin with. Nephews of directors, grandkids of stars, and most commonly children of producers.

The Writer's Market and its silly proffering of literary hope is one thing for a journalist or essayist. I sold stories and articles for eight years using the WM and more effectively Editor & Publisher Yearbook, but as it pertains to the entertainment industry the WM is worse than silly; it will waste your time with an archaic submission procedure that might work at Elle but will work as much in Universal City as a lottery ticket works for the $30-million jackpot.

Find an example of scripts bought from over the transom during the past five years. Not from 1986 or even 1995, but from 2005. Try to find a dozen such examples. Good luck.

You're better off in the mailroom of the XYZ Propaganda Music Emporium near Sunset Boulevard, making $11 an hour while driving a cab at night or working the late shift at a hotel reception desk. You're better off hanging out at a bar in West LA to befriend down-and-out 39-year-old actors with "connections." You're better off bodyguarding or chauffering actors, or delivering mail to their houses or landscaping their yards and saying "hello" every day for 135 days until you say, "hello jack can I give you a script" and you give it to him before he says anything, and Jack like everyone else has to sit in the john sooner or later and maybe, just maybe, he'll sit in there with your script and you've got a great opening line with a "hook" for insiders (mine was, "That was Harry Lyme calling from the State Department to say my brother Paddy is dead," and EVERY reader had to snuggle up to me with the Third Man connection and prove they caught it, and if you didn't, whew, it's gonna be tough), and maybe Jack chuckles and tells his assistant "Read this" and the assistant likes it and tells Jack it's good, thinking quite rightly that that is what Jack wants him to say. Maybe.

Or you can sell the WD for $1 at a yard sale (or for $3 if it's the current year) to some other sap who says he's got stories landing like airplanes in his head while you buy the Los Angeles Yellow Pages from yellowpages.com, and you start calling lawyers. Cold calling lawyers. Cold calling cold lawyers. Every day for an hour a day. At lunch if you're on the East Coast; eat your yogurt as you dial. Leave provocative messages, ask receptionists who the "coolest" lawyers are at the firm, be personable and determined and O R I G I N A L and the lawyers, sharks with no food, will see that your script might be just the chance to visit other lawyers if your script has commercial or even artistic merit.

Go through lawyers, the same way professionals do. If you have to hire a lawyer to listen to your pitch, do it. For $100, you get instant appraisal and you leave the script behind with the lawyer. If your script is no good, the lawyer won't call. If he doesn't call, it means one thing; your script sucks. Maybe it's Faulkner, but nobody can make a dime off it. But maybe your script is good? Maybe it has an idea in it which the lawyer can express all by himself over cocktales in 45 seconds. The lawyer will then start calling you and asking if you incorporated his notes; now he has a vested interest. You owe him $100 per hour, for a start, but that's not what motivates him. He doesn't care if you live in Peoria. He wants the ammo under his arm when he hangs out with other lawyers; he needs his own excuse to call the lower rungs of the entertainment industry himself, and your script might be just the ticket to get him to start calling.

There is this canard here that lawyers may submit scripts because of all the lawsuits of plagiarism and intellectual property theft, and that the prodcos are just protecting themselves by insisting on professional legal repping before they read. Even the WD has this written somewhere in its gassy mess. Not true. Don't believe it. An idea between two people in a supermarket aisle on Ventura Boulevard can walk its way into the office of the president of Paramount in seven minutes if one of the two conversants has the juice. The reason for the "only solicited MSs please" label is the sheer enormity of submissions from wannabes who figure out that a screenplay can be easily created in three weeks and replicated at Kinko's for less than $10 a copy, brass brads and all. (But don't take it from me; type in the words screenplay plagiarism and conviction into google search and see what you get. There are always threats, of course, and even a few court cases, but where are all the convictions of theft by Hollywood standards? Give me a break.)

One of my last acts here was to drive from Kinko's to Kinko's, videotaping the writers at the self-copy machines, churning out their products. Hollywood sags under their sweat. I went past two dozen Kinko's on a Friday night, each one of them packed with twenty-somethings and thirty-definites and forty-desperates, and in about forty minutes of video, there isn't one smile, not a hint of joy among the faces of so many people (200? 250?) on the brink of making it.

Query if you must, but don't think it's advancing your efforts other than by providing you with a reasonable deadline to finish your script and absolve yourself of the responsibility to do anything concrete with it.

I've written elsewhere here about the ease and importance of alignment with lawyers, and it's a critical process. There are thousands of young turks at stuffy firms waiting to find something salable. Find one of them. Or else make the movie yourself, another subject about which I have shot a lot of hot air into this forum. But don't approach Hollywood by the book, because there is no book, and if there was it wouldn't be anything like the Writer's Market from Writer's Digest.
 
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You're right in that informal networking can lead to script requests, but if you live in Hollywood and pitch a script in the grocery store, it still becomes solicited before it gets read. The typical response to unsolicited scripts in the mail is for them to be returned unopened, and even if it leads to 1 random read in 100, that sounds like a big waste of postage.

Do you know where you read that the average reader is in their 20s? I read they were in their 40s but unfortunately can't find the source right now.

As for lawyers, an entertainment lawyer may be able to act as an agent to some degree (they're probably better at negotiating a pending option than most writers), but the ones who are full-fledged agents only take select clients who query them first. Are you suggesting hiring any kind of lawyer to submit for you? Personally I think a writer has a better chance on his/her own than with any professional advocate who isn't well-informed and well-connected, and I disagree that if a lawyer doesn't take it on it's a bad script. Great scripts get rejected every day. And those of us who are serious don't send out a script after 3 weeks unless perhaps we've had 3 solid weeks to write 10 hours a day.

Maybe a new thread on unconventional breakthroughs would be interesting to read, though it doesn't necessarily help as many such conditions cannot easily be replicated at will...!
 
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Hiring an entertainment lawyer to submit on your behalf isn't any better than you sending queries yourself, UNLESS your entertainment lawyer has connections.

If I call XYZ producer and ask if they will read my awesome script about killer penguins hell bent on ruling mankind using mind control (just off the top of my head) is the same as an lawyer doing so UNLESS they know said lawyer.

So my advice is to only use lawyers who have a connection in the industry and not just any lawyer, entertainment or otherwise.

Yes. The legalities of submissions are easier through a lawyer but a simple release form takes care of that problem and all producers and companies of worth will have you sign it along with your submission before they read page 1.

As for readers... You are correct. The vast majority of them are young interns who have a chip on their shoulder, but they do have guidelines from their boss to follow as to what types of scripts to focus on and bump up to senior level. When I read for a company a few years ago, I had a checklist of things to fill out and my recommend, consider or pass meant absolutely nothing.

The truth of the matter for getting read is to get an agent or manager, especially if you do not live in LA (as I do).

If you do not have either and live in LA, then networking is the best route, but not grocery stores. A producer who is at a 7-11 buying a pack of smokes does not and will be bothered if approached. There are plenty of networking parties, events and other functions that are more receptive to pitching.

If you do not live in LA, then the only option (other than flying out regularly) is to send query letters, use inktip, scriptpimp, whatever.

The point is to get your name out there by any means necessary, yet properly.
 

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For my part, almost every read request I've ever gotten has come from talking to someone, not writing them.
 

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all lost in the supermarket:

I would never pitch anybody anywhere, if I'm the writer. I just yak or ask a ton of questions. If therapists could write, they'd own Hollywood production companies. The supermarket is as likely as any other place to bump into somebody, unknown to you, who talks to you about nectarines and then gives you their card or takes yours or writes your number on their palms. I'd pitch when invited to. Or unless I hired somebody to hear me.

hiring somebody to hear me

I wrote a musical, and saw that No Doubt's lawyer was listed on the cover of their disc. Called him up. Pitched my 30 seconds. He asked where I got his name, off the disc, yes, he laughs. He's been a source ever since, his door open to anything. I got his name when the album ws out for a week and just getting hot. You couldn't get to him now because of the layers of responsibility cloaking a lawyer with power. But when they first hit the scene and trades, they're looking for stuff, and they're ambitious.

Look at pop culture and find the lawyers with power. Their names are all over the place. Find out who the junior people in their firms are; those are the names to attack. The firms themselves are cauldrons, the competition hones all of them by association.

Joe C. is absolutely right that a lawyer without connections is worthless. Worse. But the ones with connections are easy to spot. Maybe they're $150 an hour; they still hire out by the hour. If you're paying, you can get anyone in Hollywood. Publicists, lawyers. I took out a literary agent in Washington working for a leading nonfiction agency and the price of the consult was a fancy lunch. I just needed strategy; she was a junior agent in the firm, more interested in literature than non-fiction. I was maybe 22 years old. No problem, all I wanted was information. Door is open, I am sure, tho I haven't needed to knock; her name is Jenny Bent and she's her own bigwig now, as you can see on Google. I think she was actually on AW not too long ago as a guest agent. Can't remember who she was with in DC; Goldfarb? My point is, I took her to lunch to ask about publishing strategies on a project beyond a novel. She would remember for no other reason than that I was one of the first people -- writers -- who actually came after her rather than her firm. That caught her attention. We were peers. How could she turn me down?

Careful research of which lawyers to approach is necessary. But they're all approachable. It's the nature of lawyers. My larger point is that it is now the nature of production companies and literary agent and any other fool trafficking in scripts to keep the doors shut because they are freaking overwhelmed by too many screenplays. But lawyers have keys to those doors.

Doesn't it make sense to look for entry rather than follow form?

but Dclary is more succinct and valuable than me:
talking to someone.

A query letter is not talking to someone. It's more like the blue envelope you get filled with coupons with the word "bargain" printed in big letters on the outside. Maybe some people still open these envelopes, looking for a deal. But I think most junk mail, paper or electronic, is greeted with a curse.
 

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Hiring an entertainment lawyer to submit on your behalf isn't any better than you sending queries yourself, UNLESS your entertainment lawyer has connections.

If I call XYZ producer and ask if they will read my awesome script about killer penguins hell bent on ruling mankind using mind control (just off the top of my head) is the same as an lawyer doing so UNLESS they know said lawyer.

So my advice is to only use lawyers who have a connection in the industry and not just any lawyer, entertainment or otherwise.

Yes. The legalities of submissions are easier through a lawyer but a simple release form takes care of that problem and all producers and companies of worth will have you sign it along with your submission before they read page 1.

As for readers... You are correct. The vast majority of them are young interns who have a chip on their shoulder, but they do have guidelines from their boss to follow as to what types of scripts to focus on and bump up to senior level. When I read for a company a few years ago, I had a checklist of things to fill out and my recommend, consider or pass meant absolutely nothing.

The truth of the matter for getting read is to get an agent or manager, especially if you do not live in LA (as I do).

If you do not have either and live in LA, then networking is the best route, but not grocery stores. A producer who is at a 7-11 buying a pack of smokes does not and will be bothered if approached. There are plenty of networking parties, events and other functions that are more receptive to pitching.

If you do not live in LA, then the only option (other than flying out regularly) is to send query letters, use inktip, scriptpimp, whatever.

The point is to get your name out there by any means necessary, yet properly.


Okay, here are my two cents on the whole cold submission question.

First off, and perhaps most importantly, if your script is either lousy or mediocre, it isn't going to sell no matter what ingenious strategy you might employ to get it read.

The mindset that says, "Well, this script is better than X" -- with X being some movie that you just saw that you thought was lousy isn't a mindset that's going to get a script sold. First off, there are all sorts of reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the initial script that results in a movie ending up lousy.

Second, they already have writers who can do that kind of journeyman work and who, at the very least, they know are capable of taking and executing notes and who have a track record of successful produced movies behind them. As between hiring them, mediocre though they may be, and you -- it's going to be them.

The work that you sell as a first script has to be exceptional in some way, preferably exceptional in every way.

Presuming that you have such a script -- what then?

Getting an agent? It's been done, but the process of submitting material to agents and agencies is about the same as submitting to development companies. And while you can hit, and get an agent who believes in you and will stick with you, more often than not, if you manage to get an agent (not impossible, but exceptionally unlikely) the amount of time and effort you agent will expend trying to sell your material will be quite limited, because an agent's time is his money, and he's going to spend most of his time trying to market his most experienced and lucrative clients -- not you. He'll most likely send your script around to a company that has an "in" at each studio. If there's no interest, that's it. He's done with that script.

You will, at best, be very low down on the totem pole for most agents at most agencies. That's if you can even get an agent, which is a major undertaking in itself.

It is actually much easier to get your work read at development companies than at agencies.

In my experience -- and I've worked both as a senior story editor at a development company and as a screenwriter -- written queries, though they can produce a certain response, usually produce the lowest success rate.

E-mail queries aren't much better.

Why? Because execs already have too much to read. And having things covered costs money. Every time they say "yes" -- it means something else has to be covered. That's money. If the coverage comes back positive, it means something else that they'll have to read. And they already have too much to read.

So if it's possible to say no, chances are they will. Or, to be precise, if you make it easy for them to say no, chances are they will.

And the fact is, execs everywhere know the grim statistics regarding spec scripts by unsold writers. During the six years I worked at my old company, we had an open door policy -- we'd read pretty much anything that anybody sent, so long as they signed a release form. Over those six years, we must have had something like two to three thousand spec screenplays from unsold writers submitted to us.

Didn't buy one. Didn't option one.

Zero out of any amount constitutes pretty poor odds.

And so the natural tendency at most places, when you get a request like that is to follow the line of least resistance, which is from the top of your desk to the waste basket immediately beneath. One less thing to be covered. One less piece of paper to be dealt with.

E-mail -- even easier. Just move your finger to the delete button. Gone.

So what is the alternative?

You call. Get yourself a copy of the Hollywood Creative Directory. Identify the appropriate companies, the names of the execs -- either Head of Development or Creative Exec, you call and you ask to talk to them.

And, under normal circumstances, you will be stopped dead. You won't be able to.

Why? Because the receptionist or the exec's assistant will ask you what the call is about. And you'll tell them. And they'll ask the lethal question.

Do you have an agent?

And you'll say no.

And they'll tell you that they only read scripts from writers with agents.

But this isn't really true. They just say this because they want you to go away. Not you personally, just all unagented unsold writers in the world, generally. Because they know how long the probability is that you'll have a script worth reading.

And once you hear these words, you are doomed. It is too late. The conversation is over and you have to go away forever.

But if, instead of simply saying, "no," you say, "No, I generally submit my scripts through my attorney," -- very often -- not all the time, but frequently, this will get you through.

That's because just enough pro writers do this that the person you're talking to might just buy that you are not, in fact, a complete and total amateur -- and put you through.

Then, you're on. You'll have to talk to whoever it is, discuss your screenplay, pitch it, sound like an adult, make them want to read it. Engage them, sound nice and pleasant.

And this is the point. Because once you're talking to somebody on the phone -- and that somebody wants you to read their script, the "line of least resistance" is a whole different thing. To say "no" means an unpleasant encounter. It means making somebody unhappy. Maybe they'll argue with you, maybe they'll yell.

Nobody wants that. So unless you give them a very easy out -- like the genre is wrong, or the budget is completely off which, if you've done your homework, it shouldn't be -- they're going to tell you to send it.

Now, the fact is, for purposes of submitting a screenplay, you don't need an entertainment attorney. Just any attorney with an office and some letterhead who'll write you a cover letter will do fine. A family attorney, a friend who's an attorney. Whatever.

Now, if it comes to the point that they make an offer - then you need the real thing. An attorney that specializes in entertainment law. But don't go looking for one just to submit your screenplays because they don't come cheap and they're not going to start entering into a percentage deal with an unsold writer.

And in case you're wondering, I've done this and I know that other people have done it too and it does work.

But it will only work to get your script read.

If it's lousy, they still won't buy it.

NMS
 

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the NMS post should be required reading for every writer on AW, experienced or inexperienced or inexplicable.

reality is harsher for writers than most people, but it beats the internal fantasy machine every time . . .
 

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Talk to people! And try not to over-sell yourself LA-LA style. It reeks of fakery. Just be yourself. If you have talent you WILL succeed but you mustn't be afraid of the phone or the festival/script competition/paid coverage trails.

Pay someone to tell you if your script is any good. Believe me, it's worth the money and you'll get good notes. I have used Scriptpimp (a few years ago admittedly) but their notes were great.

It's a fine line between optimism and kidding yourself. Get a pro's opinion. They'll be straight!!!

Good luck to everyone!!