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If you wanted to try to publish a collection of short stories, are you better off selling a few (or even all of them, if the market is unusually agreeable) individually to magazines first or keeping them all out of public view until an agent or editor decides they have merit?

Provided that you only sell first and/or non-exclusive internet/print archive/anthology rights, the periodicals wouldn't get in the way of inclusion in your own book (or be entitled to royalties), right? And theoretically a good track record may help attract serious interest, one would think.

Are there any advantages to not publishing before trying to sell a collection??

Thanks in advance for your responses.
 
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I always understood that unless you were already a novelist with a proven sales record, it's v. difficult to pitch a short story collection to an agent or publisher.

Personally, I think you're better off trying to get your short stories into as many reputable publications as possible and then looking at doing a collection that includes reprints of some of them - but even that can be a v. hard sell.

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It isn't impossible to sell a short story collection without having the stories previously published, but it's very close to it. Short story collections simply do not sell very well, and unless you have some name recognition finding a respectable publisher is extremely difficult.

It can be nice to have one or two unpublished stories in a collection, but that's about it. Publishers are looking for stories that have been previously published in reputable mags.

It also doesn't hurt to have a novel that's already been published, as well. Most short story collections are by writers who are also published novelists.
 

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Most contemporary short story collections have had the vast majority previously published. It used to be the case that they were all previously published. I certainly wouldn't attempt to market a short story collection unless I had previously sold every single one of them. That means that, at my current rate of writing and submitting and assuming about 2 years from inception of a story until sale that I might be able to shop a short story collection sometime in 2011. I hope to have my novel done well before then.
 

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You're almost certainly better off selling most of the stories to reputable markets first. You'll also want to keep an eye on the contracts. I recently had one short story sale where they wanted exclusive rights for several years. I debated pulling the story, but ended up settling for inserting a clause giving an exception to exclusivity in the case of a short story collection or a "Best of the Year" anthology, if I get so lucky.
 

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If you wanted to try to publish a collection of short stories, are you better off selling a few (or even all of them, if the market is unusually agreeable) individually to magazines first or keeping them all out of public view until an agent or editor decides they have merit?

Provided that you only sell first and/or non-exclusive internet/print archive/anthology rights, the periodicals wouldn't get in the way of inclusion in your own book (or be entitled to royalties), right? And theoretically a good track record may help attract serious interest, one would think.

Are there any advantages to not publishing before trying to sell a collection??

Thanks in advance for your responses.

It'll be tricky to publish a collection of short stories if you're not already an author with a recognisable name, but not out of the question. The best plan is to write and publish stories in reputable mags and then worry about a collection down the line when you've made a name for yourself. I think, as James has said, it wouldn't hurt to have a published novel under your belt either. Good luck.
 

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One thing comes to mind as an option is participating in collections of short stories such as the Chicken Soup series or other such anthologies. I believe another is Stories of Strength.

And of course you can work on publishing stories through magazines. If that is your goal to be a short story writer, I think you should pursue your dream. I find short stories very challenging and a good way to improve my skills. I have also wondered what to do with the ones I have already written that are now beginning to collect in my word documents folder.

Best of luck.

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Definitely don't keep them all from the public eye. If you can sell a few of them, it will show an agent they have merit and they might spark recognition in readers that may bring them to buy the entire collection.

For some reason agents and publishers don't like short collections very much so you should give them as much reason as you can to get them interested.
 

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One thing comes to mind as an option is participating in collections of short stories such as the Chicken Soup series or other such anthologies. I believe another is Stories of Strength.

And of course you can work on publishing stories through magazines. If that is your goal to be a short story writer, I think you should pursue your dream. I find short stories very challenging and a good way to improve my skills. I have also wondered what to do with the ones I have already written that are now beginning to collect in my word documents folder.

Best of luck.

Kim

One thing that often seems misunderstood by some writers is that short stories are short fiction - short essays or short non-fiction pieces that appear in anthologies such as Chicken Soup and others are not really "short stories".
 

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One thing comes to mind as an option is participating in collections of short stories such as the Chicken Soup series or other such anthologies. I believe another is Stories of Strength.

And of course you can work on publishing stories through magazines. If that is your goal to be a short story writer, I think you should pursue your dream. I find short stories very challenging and a good way to improve my skills. I have also wondered what to do with the ones I have already written that are now beginning to collect in my word documents folder.

Best of luck.

Kim

Chicken Soup books do not contain short stories. Or they aren't supposed to. These are articles, which means they're true. Same with Stories of Strength.

Short stories are fiction. These places want articles, which means nonfiction.
 

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For some reason agents and publishers don't like short collections very much so you should give them as much reason as you can to get them interested.

It's because they don't sell well. It's the reading pubic that doesn't like short story collections very much.
 

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Chicken Soup books do not contain short stories. Or they aren't supposed to. These are articles, which means they're true. Same with Stories of Strength.

Short stories are fiction. These places want articles, which means nonfiction.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. Though I AM a bit confused as to why a short story would only be classified as fiction. Thanks for the information. :)
 
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It's because they don't sell well. It's the reading pubic that doesn't like short story collections very much.
Really? That's what the publishers assume, but I actually believe a lot of people who normally wouldn't read, would love to read short stories because they are more bite-size chunks than a full novels. It's the economics that don't work. People are unlikely to buy them because of the prices the publishers put on such books.
 

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I think true stories are still stories, it's all in the presentation. An article is a piece which usualy contains opinions and those tend to be from experts the writer has interviewed and will not normally be the writer's own opinion. Articles are for information and focus on fact, such as "How to make a bonfire with only a ice cube". True stories tell about the experiences and feelings that the writer went through to make that fire out of a cube of ice and the difficulties battle the grizzly bear when it came time to cook the fish on the fire. A true story would be closer to an essay than an article though.
 

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A true story would be closer to an essay than an article though.

Having written many of both, I see a difference in style, but not in content. The point is, both must be true. Short stories are not true. You can't make up a story an call it an essay or an article. If you do, it's just a lie, not an essay, an article, or a story.
 

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The point I am making is this, why is it that a short true story is an article and not just another short story? I know what a short story is verses a novel.

A short true story is an article because that's what short true stories are called. This is done so readers will know whether to believe what they're reading.
 

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A story is a description, either true or imagined, of a connected series of events

A story can be either a true story (as in a story that is based on real rather than imaginary events) or a fiction story (a story that is based on imaginary events and/or characters).
 

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Really? That's what the publishers assume, but I actually believe a lot of people who normally wouldn't read, would love to read short stories because they are more bite-size chunks than a full novels. It's the economics that don't work. People are unlikely to buy them because of the prices the publishers put on such books.

It isn't what publishers assume, it's a simple fact based on actual sales. Contrary to what many believe, the short story has never been very popular with most readers, whether in collections, or in magazines.

The price publishers put on books has nothing to do with it. Even back when books and magazines were dirt cheap, very few people wanted short story collections, unless they were by very famous writers.

And books really don't cost very much. When you allow for inflation, and for the rise in wages over the years, books really cost no more now that they ever did.

Another myth is that short stories in magazines used to be wildly popular. They weren't. The reason most magazines have stopped publishing short stories is that a very large majority of readers have always wanted that space to be used for more articles. Magazines used to publish fiction because they thought it was the right thing to do, that it added to culture, and enough people bought magazines for the articles to allow some space to be given over to short stories, even if most readers didn't want them.

Even in the best of times, magazines that were completely fiction had very low circulation numbers, and tended to fold on a regular basis.

There are readers who love short stories, of course, but they're few and far between. Not nearly enough to support an active market for them.

Novels have always paid the bills, and writers who can sell enough short stories to earn a publisher a profit have almost always been those who were widely known for their novels. Stephen King, John Updike, Joyce Carol Oates, etc. There have been exceptions here and there, but the exceptions are so few that it just doesn't pay to experiment.

Publishers have tried, have always tried, to sell collections of short stories, but whether the book cost three bucks in the forties, or thirty bucks today, readers just do not buy them in any real numbers unless the writer is also a novelist, and the readers love the novels.
 

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A story is a description, either true or imagined, of a connected series of events

A story can be either a true story (as in a story that is based on real rather than imaginary events) or a fiction story (a story that is based on imaginary events and/or characters).

When you call something a "short story" it is fiction. Story is not used in the colloquial sense of story as in anything you might tell to someone else. "Short story" is a literary term which means fiction of short length. The same way that "novel" means fiction of long length. Just as there is no non-fiction novel, there is no such thing as a non-fiction short story. If it's non-fiction it's called, as James said, an article, or if you prefer an essay, or memoir. But it is in no way a "short story". You may call it such, but that doesnt make it so.

Your cat may play fetch and may come when it's called, but it's not a dog and no matter how you refer to it, it will never be a dog. A "short story" is fiction.
 

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Well thank you nevada for your insight, now I'm going to have to look at my posts to see if I at any point said that a short story can be fiction or non fiction, as I can't remember doing that.

Stories can be true or they can be fiction, although the term 'Short Story' is generally refered to as being fiction.
 
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Well thank you nevada for your insight, now I'm going to have to look at my posts to see if I at any point said that a short story can be fiction or non fiction, as I can't remember doing that..

Is that not what this is all about? Cassi's question as to why a true story can't be called a short story? Did I miss the part where I'm not allowed to express my opinion?
 

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Knock yourself out, nev. I was referring to the articles/stories that are in chicken soup. Just because they happen to be true, does not automatically mean the magazine is full of articles, they are true stories.
 

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Yes, I understood that. When I quoted you I didnt mean to single you out, because it was more a general comment than anything else. But if you call them stories then they get confused with short stories, so you call them something else. What, in your opinion, constitutes an article then? An article is the telling of something true that happened. So it it's true, it's an article. If it's not true it's a short story.

Miriam Webster defines an article as this: a nonfictional prose composition usually forming an independent part of a publication. Based on that definition, Chicken Soup books are full of articles.
 
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