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Lel513

Found this article today and it made me mad. Apparently this 18 year old girl wrote a novel and managed to get it published by St. Martins press and has media coverage. How does this happen and there are so many people out there that can't even get an agent to look at their work. I think it proves that many people who get published have contacts in the business. I bet her father knew people in the publishing world, how else could a teenager get published.

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maestrowork

Could it be that her book is really good? Why can't a 18yo get published? Is there an age thing in publishing that I'm not aware of?

It's like telling Mozart "you couldn't have written a symphony" because he was only 5.

Jealousy is an ugly thing.
 

Meryena

Sounds like her book has one of those gut-wrenching plot lines that pull a reader in and the agent devoured it. What the article didn't say was whether or not the young author had been rejected by others before being accepted. A story like that should be looked at as inspiration!
 

Trapped in amber

Even if there were helpful connections (the article mentions that the parents knew a literary agent), if the publisher didn't think the book would sell, they wouldn't have been interested. Good luck to her:)

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macalicious731

I'm 18. Hopefully by next month my novel will be complete. Hopefully within the next year I can have a contract. I don't see why I can't get published just like anyone else on this board.

And hey, her inspiration was Lolita. That's one of my favorite novels.
 

three seven

It strikes me that such a sales judgement may have been publicity-based; the article does imply that it's a good novel considering her age, but doesn't stand up on its own.
This particular story does have a whiff of nepotism about it, and in that respect I agree that it's wrong.
However, it's not as wrong as the suggestion that an eighteen-year-old can't write a great novel. That's just preposterous.
 

XThe NavigatorX

Good for her. Her parents may have gotten her read by the agent, but the book was good enough to get published. Publishers Weekly wasn't fully impressed, but they didn't pan it either. The book obviously has merit.

People always seem to think it's a competition. This person took my spot! It's not.
 

Lel513

18 year old novelist

I'm not saying the novel doesn't have any merit, maybe it is really good, but I'm objecting to the way she got published. I highly doubt she sent out a hundred query letters to agents before one took her on. I think she had an in somewhere and used the fact she was so young to get a publisher to take on the book. If she was 34, lived in a small town in the midwest, knew no one in the publishing business, yet had written the exact same book does anyone think she would have been published so easily? No, she most likely wouldn't have been published at all, or at the most a small publisher might have taken her on after years of sending out letters. I think I am mad at the way people who know people can have their work seen and many times published when people who know no one hardly ever have their work seen and must struggle for years to a get foot in the door. I know life isn't fair and publishing especially isn't fair, I just like to vent.
 

DarkHaven80

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Hey, use what works, as long as its not immoral. If age is a helper in getting published, then I don't see anything wrong with using it. However, I would think that an editor would be abit more weary reading a manuscript from an 18 year than a 30, simply because in their head they may be thinking this person hasnt honed their craft enough. Then they were surprised. Just a thought.
 

macalicious731

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The article doesn't say anything about how she got herself published, so I'm sure she did send out hundreds of query letters to publishers and agents. Even if she was someone who was accepted off the first two or three queries, so what? It happens, and good for her.

I severely doubt her age had anything to do with it. When I start my process, there is absolutely no way I'm going to let these people know that I'm 18. I don't want my age giving them any preconceived notions. They need to judge me on my writing, not my age.
 

maestrowork

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So what if she didn't have to send out a hundred query letters? Hey, if I knew an agent or editor personally I would have gone that route, too. Unfortunately, I don't, so I'm sending out queries. That's fine by me. There are many routes to success. The book's still have to be good enough to get St. Martin to publish it. St. Martin is not a charity: they publish books to make money. They would care less if the author is 15 or 30 or 86. At the end of the day, a good book is a good book, no matter how you get the agent or editor read it.

Some people have to send out hundreds of queries and get hundreds of rejections (that's the story I heard about Clancy). Some people only have to try a few (Rowling reportedly only got 5 or 6 rejections before landing her agent and the Scholastic deal). Our own James Ritchie got his first novel published right off the bat.

The article didn't say she got special treatments. I think you're reading into things. You're judging the whole thing based on how young this woman is and that perhaps she has a link or two in the publishing business. Big deal. Focus more on your own work.
 

katdad

Many young writers are genuine prodigies. Some burn out, some continue.

Sometimes a new young writer has a unique voice and catches the attention of a publisher. It happens.

What also happens is that there are thousands of unpublished young writers, deservedly so.

Don't give it a second thought. Or, if you do, regard it as a sign that you can also succeed, if you've written a good book.
 

Jamesaritchie

She sold the novel because she wrote a novel the publisher wanted and thought the public would buy. This is the only reason any writer gets published. All the contacts in the world won't make a publisher buy and publish a novel.

She's hardly the youngest writer ever to sell a novel. Not by a long shot.

There is no rule, no law, that says you have to write ten novels and send out hundreds of queries, or that you have to be rejected a thousand times before selling a novel. I know quite a few writers who wrote a novel while young, and who sold it almost immediately. What you have to do is write a good novel, and not many are capable of this, no matter their age.

I wasn't as young as this girl, but I'd never even thought about being a writer, I was a high school dropout, I had no contacts in the business, but I wrote my first novel in three weeks, found an agent on my first try, who sold it within a couple of weeks. I went from being somene who had never even thought about being a writer to being someone with three major short story sales and a novel sale within a couple of months.

A good novel can be written by any writer of any age, and writign a good novel is what it's all about.

Knowing people has nothing at all to do with getting published. This is one of those things new writers often believe, but that simply has no basis in reality. Of all the writers I've known over the years, at least 95% knew no one in publishing and had no contacts at all. Several were within a couple of years of this girl, and still sold their novels quickly.

There have been quite a number of eighteen to twenty-two years old writers over the years who sold novels to major publishers, and all of them managed it for the same reason. . .they wrote novels the publisher thought the reading public would buy and enjoy. It just isn't all that unusual.

"I don't know anyone in publishing" is not an excuse for lack of selling, and "She was published because she did know someone" simply isn't based in reality.

This girl was published purely and simply because she wrote a novel the powers that be at St. Martin's thought was good and marketable.
 

Medievalist

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Found this article today and it made me mad. Apparently this 18 year old girl wrote a novel and managed to get it published by St. Martins press and has media coverage. How does this happen and there are so many people out there that can't even get an agent to look at their work. I think it proves that many people who get published have contacts in the business. I bet her father knew people in the publishing world, how else could a teenager get published.<hr></blockquote>

Oh, get over yourself. Maybe it's really good--it's not the first time an eighteen year old wrote a good book. Yes, some people do have an easier time getting an agent because they know someone or know someone who knows someone . . . but they still have to have written a good book. It's always going to come down to write a good book.

Heck, just by posting on this board you're one degree away from agents, published writers, editors and readers. You've already got an unfair advantage over those who don't hang out here.

Write a good book. If it's good, someone will publish it. Don't waste time griping about someone else's good fortune. Write. Revise. Write some more.
 

Writing Again

child ballet star, accomplished on the piano and the electric guitar and she's just published her first novel,

Sounds like quite a young lady to me. Of course if she were normal she'd be smoking pot, pregnant and applying for welfare so everyone could live happily ever after and not have to compete with her.

Oh, well, I suppose someone had to show the adults up as worthless old duffers who can't cut the cheese fast enough.

I'll bet Danielle Steel is really worried right now.
 

Lori Basiewicz

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...at the way people who know people can have their work seen and many times published when people who know no one hardly ever have their work seen and must struggle for years to a get foot in the door....

I'm trying to figure out how this is different than landing a job anywhere?

I just had lunch with a friend whose husband had been unemployed. He just got a job because a former employer of his told him to apply for a job at a place where the former employer just happened to be a VP and part owner. Now, my friend's husband was certainly qualified for the job, but I'm sure many other candidates were, too. But it was my friends' husband, who just happened to know someone, who was hired.

I could list several instances where knowing someone in the business, whatever the business happened to be, helped someone get their foot in the door. That's not publishing. It's life.
 

CourtneyAllisonMoulton

She does sound like she had it a heck of a lot easier than 99% of other writers out there that may have written a book just as good or better than hers. But, luck is luck and she definitely had the pot of gold.

The book sounds good, but I wouldn't read it. Not something I would ever read.

I agree that most agents and publishers would be much more cautious about a young writer than one who is 30. I am 18 myself, and I know this will be a long and stressful journey to get published. This girl's book obviously had an impact on St. Martins.

Lel, feel good about one thing at least: she is kinda creepy looking. :b
 

Daughter of Faulkner

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I'm new to this board and found quite by accident last week. I hope it will be helpful to me because all I do is writewritewrite.
I know the Editor-in-Chief of St. Martin's Press and I can assure you that if the girl's or anyone book isn't up to speed it will not even get read let alone published. Age means nothing however talent, being original, and what will sell does. Looks doesn't hurt with the public but the publisher could care less about the face of an author only the mind and what he/she can create, if anything.
I say: Good news for St. Martin's Press, her and the world!

How wonderful it is get a novel published at age 18 or any age for that matter.

Champagne for everyone!
 

maestrowork

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Lel, feel good about one thing at least: she is kinda creepy looking.

Unbelievable. Ought to be ashamed of yourself for saying something like that. What did the girl do to you? For being successful?

We should all be inspired, and not be drowned in our sour grape juice.
 

RGame

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I can see both sides of this. Her family knew an agent, which probably saved her years of effort, but she also had to write a publishable book. And I think when the publisher saw that it was a publishable book, they played up the "young writer" angle, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned on the book jacket that she was 18 and had written the book between the ages of 14 and 16. Mentioning how young she is was obviously part of the marketing. But still, the book had to be publishable.
 

Gala

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Maestro--You've put this poster down quite a bit. Character bashing doesn't become you.

Lel: Goodie for you for expressing what many writers feel from time to time but don't have the nerve to say out loud.
:rolleyes

This girl's success may or may not be fair, and it's like I said in answer to your question re "other ways to get published." I suggested six degrees of separation, which had a bearing in this girl getting published. No harm in that, is there? People get jobs, boyfriends, houses, and opportunities all the time because they knew someone.

But the fine print is this: she had to have taken the hours to learn to write, had the discipline to complete and entire novel, had the will to listen to her elder teachers and relatives, "Oh isn't that cute, she's trying to be a novelist...and at her young age...". She did the work (unless one day we learn her mummy actually did it.)

So then this opportunity comes along, and she's ready! Success is where my talent intersects with a need in the community. One has to be ready or "luck" never happens.

There's enough success in book writing for everyone who wants to have it. If you are fully jealous, good for you--jealous is a powerful catalyst.

I got extremely jealous of an older woman friend of mine becasue I learned she gets two pensions from 2 ex-husbands, plus Social Security on their behalf, PLUS her own social security. That's five sources of income, and she lays about watching TV. NOT FAIR I say. The sting is that she's in department store debt to her ears and can't move sideways without pain.

Whereas I have am self-made all the way. Get my drift?

Write your books. Really lousy appalling books are published every day, by people who had no connections; they simply played the game until they won. That doesn't seem fair--but it's real. Also what's real is the wonderful ride we good (ahem) writers give to readers. I call that fair, and I have control over it too.

People with college degrees earn more money than those who do not; experience and talent may or may not be a factor. All that stuff.

Only you can write your books in your voice, with your unique way of putting word and story together. No one on earth competes with or compares to you.
 

Kida Adelyn

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I'm 16 and I've written a complete novel. I hope to edit it so that I can get it up to publishable quality within a year or so.

Knowing an agent or having connections shouldn't get you one. Not if their a good one and want to keep food on the table. Agents don't make money by representing bad novels, this includes ones from people they know.

And getting media coverage- well her age probably helped. Not many young people write a novel (and complete it) It's News. *shrug*
 

Jamesaritchie

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I'm trying to figure out how this is different than landing a job anywhere?


It's different because you aren't trying to get a job, you're trying to sell a product, one the publisher must then sell to the public. It simply isn't about the writer, and there's no similarity at all to getting a job. Getting a job is as far from selling a novel as you can get. Most people can do any job they've been trained for, or can be trained for pretty much any job the employer wants to train them for.

Darned few people can write a novel a publisher is willing to put many thousands of dollars behind.

I don't care how well you know an editor or publisher, or what kind of contacts you have, that publisher still has to put up a lot of money to pubish a book, and four out of five first novels lose money for the publisher.

A publisher can make a lot of money on the right novel, and lose a lot of money on the wrong novel. Editors lose their jobs by buying the wrong novel, and contacts or not, no editor is stupid enough to lose a good job by buying novels the publisher can't sell. Agents who take on writers because of contacts soon lose their good standing with publishers, and won't last long, either.

Those who think contacts make a difference have obviously never been inside publishing, and simply have no idea how it works. People seem to think an editor simply says, "I'm going to buy this" and it happens. It may work this way at a very tiny publishing house, but it does not work this way at large publishers. Nor does the publisher ever, for any reason, come in and say, "I know this person, so we're going to buy her book."

Contacts in publishing do not, will not, cannot get a novel published. It simply doesn't work this way. Not ever.

At the absolute most, the only thing the best contact in the world will get you is a faster read. That's it. Period. As one editor put it, "If God Himself recommended a writer to me, I'd still want to read the book before making a decision."

If your husband's friend had been trying to sell a product, rather than trying to get a job, and if that business thought they would lose many thousands of dollars by buying that product, do you think he would have been successful because he had a contact?

That's publishing. I've been in this business in one way or another for twenty-five years, and I've never yet seen a single person be published because they knew someone. I have seen a great many people rejected repeatedly, even when they had contacts better and higher up than this girl could have made if a hundred years. I've seen people who knew editors, agents, and publishers on a first name basis, and who still couldn't sell a novel. Shoot, I've knoown writers who were related to such people, and who still couldn;t sell a novel. I've even known a couple of writers who were married to great contacts, and who couldn't get a novel published.

The "You have to know someone" line almost always comes from those who have no clue how publishing works, and who are looking for excuses why they can't sell their own novel.

This is a real simple business. If you can write a good novel, one an agent thinks she can sell, she takes you on. And if an editor reads that novel, and believes it to be one that can turn a profit for the company, she recommends buying it. This almost always means the novel then has to pass muster at an acquisitions board, one usually made up largely of bean counters. The board is the one that actually buys the novel, and they have only one thing in mind. . .will this novel make money? If the answer is yes, they buy it, and if the answer is no, they reject it.

The simple truth of the matter is that only about one novel in a hundred is anywhere near good enough to interest a publisher. Anyone who has read thorugh a slush pile will tell you that finding a good novel is harder than finding gold in your bathtub.

And the truth is also that not all that many good writers do write for years and years, or goes through hundreds of queries before finding an agent and a publisher. When it takes this long, when it's this hard, it's a sure sign that the problem is with the writer.

It's sometimes a sign that the writer simply has no clue how to write a query letter, but far more often than not, it's a sure sign the writer doesn't know how to write a novel. Very few can write a good novel, and if what comes into slush piles is any indication, very few can write a novel good enough to be called bad.

There are some things seriously wrong with the publishing business, but needing contacts isn't one of them.

If you can write well, if you can tell a good story, and if you can fill that story with good characters, you will be published. If you can't do these things, and most can't, you won't be published.

Some just find it impossible to believe that an eighteen year old can write better than they do, but it happens all the time. Talent doesn't have an age range, and young writers have been selling novels and making news for two hundred years.

But thinking contacts makes a difference is one of the biggest jokes in the business.
 
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