who do letters belong to?

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In memoir writing, are there laws, rules or guidelines on using personal letters? I have always saved letters and excerpts of some of them might provide interesting additions to my memoir. If I receive a letter, then does it become my private property and I can use it as I see fit? It is important to me to maintain good relations with anyone I would include in my memoir if I can, so I would ask permission or inform the writers of my intentions whenever possible. But I am wondering about the legalities in cases where it is impossible to discuss it with the original letter writer.
 

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You own the physical letter, but the letter writer still "owns" the words on the page. You must get permission from the letter writer or the letter writer's estate if they are dead to publish the letter, otherwise it is a violation of the letter writer's copyright.
 

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Hi stijn, Not sure what constitutes libel so I don't know. The intention would not be to hurt anyone or cause harm, it would be to convey my relationships or experiences with the letter writers.

We memoirists have all felt the James Frey fallout, in which memoirists are suspect (to some) unless they can prove that their experiences actually happened to them. How ironic would it be for someone who has meticulously journaled and documented to then not be able to use the material (evidence) she has so carefully saved?
 
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Yowza, Tish! Read my above post and tell me, hypothetically speaking of course, do you think they'd give permission? :) So you're saying the writer could describe the letters, or their contents, but not quote directly from them?
 

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Generally letters are covered by copyright; the person who writes the letter unless the letter was work for hire and contracted for as such, owns the copyright.
 

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"the person who writes the letter unless the letter was work for hire and contracted for as such, owns the copyright"

What can I do, and not do, with the contents of the letter? Can I describe it but not quote it? Like could I write: "Then I got a letter in which he said he'd like to ...," but I could not write: "I opened the letter from him and in his handwriting it said, 'I'd like to ...'" ?
 

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"the person who writes the letter unless the letter was work for hire and contracted for as such, owns the copyright"

What can I do, and not do, with the contents of the letter? Can I describe it but not quote it? Like could I write: "Then I got a letter in which he said he'd like to ...," but I could not write: "I opened the letter from him and in his handwriting it said, 'I'd like to ...'" ?

I think you're going to need an IP/publishing attorney, frankly.
 

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I believe modern-day letters are like books and most other written material. You can use them for study and your own personal purposes, but you can't reproduce them in another work without the permission of the writer.

There is the "fair use" exemption from copyright which allows you to quote passages from the letters without permission. You'd want to consult a copyright lawyer to get an idea of how much and what you can quote in your particular context.
 

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There is the "fair use" exemption from copyright which allows you to quote passages from the letters without permission. You'd want to consult a copyright lawyer to get an idea of how much and what you can quote in your particular context.

Hold on there; fair use is emphatically not an exemption from copyright. It's a potential defense if a rights holder asserts violation of copyright and you got to court -- fair use is determined by the court/jury. It's not inherent in the law itself and it has to be decided on a case by case basis.
 

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Fair use

Medievalist is right. Never assume fair use allows you to use anything. The times and places when fair use applies are reasonably specific, but there are so many exceptions, and the court can rule so many different ways, that a writer should always get written permission before using anything.
 

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Good questions--I've wondered about it myself.

At what point would you deal with the "permissions" issue with a letter? Before or after you get a publisher?

In my memoir I quote at length from a letter I wrote to someone. He's a prominent musician/folklorist in the style of regional music that's the focus of my book. (I assume it is my right legally, since I "own" the words.)

I also quote three sentences from his response. I figured I would ask his permission, when the time comes. But this would be in the larger context of letting this man know I have written about him (all in very positive terms, by the way) and probably giving him an early copy of the ms, asking if he'e want to review it or comment.



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Unless you can get permission from the writer of the letter, you will have to summarize and put into your own words what so-and-so said. It is the same thing you do with information you collect.

It is good to keep said letters in case an agent/publisher would need 'proof' as mentioned about Frey.

This would be the only way to relieve the worry about it, unless you wanted to get more specific and in which case you would need a lawyer to help.
 

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As Button said, summarize or paraphrase, but definitely hang on to your source material.
 

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Truth be damned!

Per Stijn: Libel is difficult to prove and more difficult to win damages. I just asked this question on another Board when I found a story using my real name in a porn story that did not happen. I was told I'd have to prove the writer had the intent to damage my rep, and that the damage had a real impact on me financially, socially or otherwise. Since I can't disprove a negative, (that the story did not happen), and since I can't prove the writer intended to hurt me in some way, and can't prove I was damaged, the chance of winning such a case is virtually impossible. Remember the Falwell vs Hustler case when the cartoon Larry Flint published was horrific and obviously false.

Per pollykahl: There's no law that says memoirs have to be true to the n'th degree, is there? In fact, It's almost a 'given' that most biographies are a glossy version of reality and some, if not most, play fast and loose with the facts.

Even those people who have been in the public eye and therefore subject to the memories of the public, take liberties using 'spin' or outright changes in the 'facts.' Is it absolutely crucial to the point of the story that you must quote a specific person exactly?

I don't see any reason why you can't enhance the story as we all do when we're telling 'a whopper' to our friends.

You are a writer, right? So write.
 

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"Even those people who have been in the public eye and therefore subject to the memories of the public, take liberties using 'spin' or outright changes in the 'facts.'"

Since I'm writing a memoir I would not do that. Frey did it and look where it got him. If he had said his book was "based on a true story" or fiction, it would have been fine. Fictionalizing non-fiction makes it fiction and defeats the whole purpose.

"Is it absolutely crucial to the point of the story that you must quote a specific person exactly?"

No, and it would no doubt result in boring writing. But it would be convenient to have the option in certain instances and passages where the letter writer's words convey exactly what I am trying to express.
 
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