Submitting Manuscripts to Hollywood Film Companies?

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There is a 'sage' on Publish America Message Board advocating submitting synopsis/manuscripts to Hollywood film producers with a view to them taking on the said work for financial reward. She says "Google for a List of Hollywood film producers. I have found a film company who has bought my manuscript."

I have found that the major film companies have a disclaimer on their webpages indicating that they may keep the unsolicited material submitted and use it without financial recompense to make films or programmes without the author's permission.

If anyone has any information concerning this or has had any dealings in this area, please could you post here.

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Barbara
 

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I know of a man who submitted to the BBC in London an idea for a programme. The programme was made but he heard nothing about his manuscript which he sent in to them until the programme was made. He complained to them but received no money for his "idea".

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For "Ideas" they don't necessarily have to pay you but might as a courtesy. Rod Sterling did this with the "Twilight Zone" because he wrote a script inspired by an idea someone keep talking about writing and never did.

If there is an actually script that they then develop a project that is based on it. You have legal recourse. CBS's "City of Hope" is a prime example of that. A show very similar to it was pitched by Laura Metcalf (jackie from Roseanne) and her husband. The pitch wasn't accepted but later CBS premiered "City of Hope". Metcalf had enough detail documented about the show she pitched that the similarities were obvious and CBS settled out of court.

The thing is though most production companies (at least the larger ones) don't look at unagented scripts anyway.
 

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I don';t care what their disclaimer says, it's patently ridiculous for them to say they can use submissions without payment, permission, etc. Not true.

It's hard enough to get prodcos to look at scripts, much less manuscripts. Why would they? If a book is published and has a following, they might be interested. (But even then they wouldn't read it, just hire somebody to adapt it to a script, then hire somebody else to read the script).

A few years ago there was a sort of buzz about finding cool stories before they were published. But they don't skulk around looking for them and are not going to read yours. What happens is agencies that work closely with Hollywood (or are really good at getting in the door if they have something spectacular on hand) suggest properties to them.

Some agencies do more of this than others. If you don't have an agent, don't even worry about this stuff until you do. If they MS hasn't been published, work on getting it published.

Ignore the disclaimer. Ignore the sage. Get published, make big sales and things will happen.
 

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By the way, can you provide a link to a site with that remarkable disclaimer?
 

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Folks, I've moved this thread from the Library - that's where folk put up info about the scripts/screenplays they've written, not questions like this. :)
 

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The "We'll keep your material and not pay you for it" thing sounds like myth/urban legend to me. I've already dismissed it as fantasy 2 seconds after reading it. :)

Many reputable companies require you to sign a disclaimer to protect themselves against accusations of idea theft. Fact is, totally original ideas are hard to come by. No matter what you write, chances are someone's already written something similar. Of course yours may be better -- or not. But if a prodco says it's considering something similar in content and genre to what you submitted, that's just bad luck. Try somewhere else.

If you haven't already, check out the screenwriting tips thread which contains info plus links that you may find useful, including ways to submit queries to production companies or otherwise get your spec script read, not the least of which is entering contests.

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The "We'll keep your material and not pay you for it" thing sounds like myth/urban legend to me. I've already dismissed it as fantasy 2 seconds after reading it. :)

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I know of a man who submitted to the BBC in London an idea for a programme. The programme was made but he heard nothing about his manuscript which he sent in to them until the programme was made. He complained to them but received no money for his "idea".

Barbara

An idea and a manuscript are two entirely different things.

And if the MS was submitted then he should have received a disclaimer that they would read it only on the understanding that they may be currently developing something similar.

This is not as far fetched as you might think. Writers invited in to pitch at the BBC can often be stopped mid-sentence and informed that the drama dept already has something along those lines in development -- so what else do you have?
 

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One thing to remember is that no one, producer or not, is going to read a script unless it's accompanied by a signed release form.

But I'd ask the PA person the name of the film company, and the deal she made. Personally, I wouldn't believe a word of it until I had real evidence in hand.
 

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For "Ideas" they don't necessarily have to pay you but might as a courtesy. Rod Sterling did this with the "Twilight Zone" because he wrote a script inspired by an idea someone keep talking about writing and never did.

If there is an actually script that they then develop a project that is based on it. You have legal recourse. CBS's "City of Hope" is a prime example of that. A show very similar to it was pitched by Laura Metcalf (jackie from Roseanne) and her husband. The pitch wasn't accepted but later CBS premiered "City of Hope". Metcalf had enough detail documented about the show she pitched that the similarities were obvious and CBS settled out of court.

The thing is though most production companies (at least the larger ones) don't look at unagented scripts anyway.

I strongly suspect that what the release form or the website is actually saying is something along these lines (which most standard release forms say) -- that ideas, premises, plots -- are not copyrightable, and that we (that is the producer) may be working on something just like what you've submitted, or may choose to develop something just like it in the future, and that if we do so -- you're out of luck, because "the idea" of your movie is not your property.

NMS
 

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Exactly. It's like "Trespassers will be shot twice", scaring people out of flooding them with junk.
I don't think you need a legal degree to realize that somebody can't really take ownership of anything that falls into their hands.
 

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I'd have to say you're ignoring the first part which clearly says don't send us any unsolicited material, and pointing to the latter part that says if you do, don't blame us if we use anything that looks interesting.

-Derek


I think that the key phrase is "ideas, concepts, know-how, or techniques" -- which is very similar, if you were to go the Library of Congress site on what is and is not copyrightable in the area of what is *not* copyrightable.

NBC isn't spelling it out but what they are really saying is -- anything that you send us that isn't *copyrightable* -- isn't your property. And since it isn't, we can do whatever we want with it. But, of course, they aren't taking any particular legal right from you. That isn't a contractual right. You aren't giving them anything.

That is no more true for NBC than for me, or a perfect stranger or Osama bin Laden or anybody else.

Whatever there is about your particular work that is not copyrightable is fair game for anybody. And that includes the "idea" of your story, concepts, the "plot" etc., etc.

Of course, they're not really interested in taking your ideas. They don't expect that an unwanted or unsolicited manuscript off the street will contain anything of interest. It is extraordinarily unlikely that they would do anything with such a document other than immediately feed it into the nearest shredder.

What they want to do is protect themselves because everybody thinks that they've just come up with an incredibly brilliant new idea -- boy meets girl.

Or you name it. Or they've come up with a great new idea for a show -- not realizing that with a staff of a dozen writers working twelve hours a day, tossing out ideas for shows day after day after day, that they've got files full of ideas for the show, premises for shows, treatments for shows, outlines for the show, half-written episodes of the show. Episodes that got written and they decided they didn't quite work, not to mention all of the outlines for episodes for next season.

The chances of an outsider, who doesn't have access to all of that material actually coming up with something that nobody has thought of before is amazingly slim.

So the last thing that a network wants is for somebody -- or more likely dozens of somebodies -- coming up with "great ideas" for a show, submitting them -- and then seeing a show "just like my idea" a year later and turning around and suing.

As an example, I worked on a show called "Monsters" - which was an anthology show -- and we accepted submissions from anybody who would sign a release form. And really, the only requirement was that it was no more than four characters, two or three locations and a monster. You'd think the chances of any two stories being the same -- what are the odds?

Pretty good, actually.

Over the time I worked on the show, we must have gotten three or four submissions based on this, "monster under the bed/monster in the closet" idea -- and they were all basically the same.

You had the scared, imaginative little boy who keeps seeing the monster under his bed (or in the closet). He had a kind of tough guy, mean dad who doesn't believe him. He wants his kid to toughen up, stop imagining things, etc., etc. And in the end, the monster comes and gets the dad.

Every one of these things -- completely different writer, no relation to one another. Same exact thing.

Trouble is, in our earlier series, Tales from the Darkside, we'd done an episode called, strangely enough, "Monster Under the Bed" -- and it was about an imaginative little boy who kept seeing a monster under his bed -- he had this mean tough guy father -- etc. etc -- in the end the monster came and got the father.

Exactly the same. And I'm prepared to bet that none of the people who wrote those treatments saw that episode. If they had, they'd have never submitted to us, because they would have seen that we'd already done it.

It's just the whole "monster under the bed" premise pretty much yields an automatic "first take" -- okay, what do I do with that idea -- that follows an almost automatic line of least resistance.

And that line of least resistance ends up with this version of that story.

And all of these unrelated writers ended up with that story. And I've no doubt that, had we taken one and made it -- but for the release form, we'd have had another three or four suing us.

NMS