Publishing/Book packagers vs. sub-contracting

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[This post develops the 3 archived threads concerning book packagers]

My understanding is that in working for book packagers, one is a
contractor: work-for-hire, flat-fee, generally speaking. In the production of a book eg. textbook it is likely that the textbook writer is actually one of a number of contractors working on that same project.

My questions then, are from a slightly different perspective on this work arrangement.

Are there any here who have previously worked or presently working for book packagers, and who have themselves acted as a solo packager for a project that he/she, the contractor, has conceived?

Another way, is there any difference between your role as a contractor for a book packager, and working on your own (publishing?) project, wherein you utilise the services of a sub-contractor/s?

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I am writing a book right now, for a book packager. The assignment comes from the publisher via the packager. I presume I will be paid less than if I had contacted the publisher directly, but I also presume the assignment would not have been available otherwise. One nice thing about this arrangement is that the packager handles the contracts, communication and editing. Also, this is for an educational publisher and it is my understanding that more and more educational publishers are turning to book packagers these days.
 

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Perhaps I should clarify what I mean. What I would like to know if there are any here who have worked/ are presently working simultaneously as:

i) contractor for a book packager;

ii) boss/project manager for their own project which they had suggested (perhaps to a publisher), and for which they have used /using the
services of others (sub-contractors).

If there are members who have been/are presently in this situation, I am asking what are the differences, if any? In working for a book packager as contractor, and in a sense, you being a book packager (if only for one project)?
 
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Hi ATP, I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a go.
If you are writing (or maybe completely producing?) a book for a publisher, then you are a defacto book packager, yourself. When you write a book for a book packager, you usually follow a pretty specific and well-established formula for both content and format, so the only thing you're really providing are the words. The form, content, and structure of the book have already been established.
does that make any sense, or help at all?
 

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If you are writing (or maybe completely producing?) a book for a publisher, then you are a defacto book packager, yourself.

I am OK with this...

When you write a book for a book packager, you usually follow a pretty specific and well-established formula for both content and format, so the only thing you're really providing are the words. The form, content, and structure of the book have already been established.

...and OK with this.


Generally, when writing for a publisher, the writer is the sole provider of the content (words), and has had / has free reign in construction, plot, character etc. Upon submission of the product (words), the publisher is responsible for all (or most) other treatment on the book that sees it brought ‘to market’ / placed on the shelves.

For each and every writer, I presume the contract is made between the writer and the publisher. I would guess that the writer is commissioned (if this is the correct term), and legally is regarded as a contractor.

My understanding is that the book packager is responsible for the entire project from concept, production to delivery to publisher for printing. When working for a book packager, the procedure and basis of legal ‘entity’ is different.

All tasks with which the packager is involved are given to others on a work-for-hire basis. Here, the commissioned fiction writer is provided previously determined plot, character, structure etc. For want of a better description, in this instance, the writer ‘joins-the-dots’. Book packagers also deal in a similar fashion with textbook writers, who it would seem are involved with work well beyond ‘join-the-dots’.

My original post presupposes the possibility that among members here there is one or more who have worked in the following two ways. And, hopefully this member willing to relay his/her experience (phenomenology) of this:


i) as both an independent ‘work-for-hire’ contractor for a book packager, and;

ii) have formally taken on the job of book packager him/herself, wherein he/she has hired others (sub-contractors) to perform the various tasks associated with the book packaging project.


Thanks.

 
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Oh, sorry, ATP--NOW I understand your question. I've worked as an author, and I've worked FOR a book packager, but haven't done the whole thing on my own. I have had some experience with book packaging, though, if I can answer anything for you.
 

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I've worked for a non-fiction book packager as a work for hire writer and I've worked as the author for a royalty publisher. The biggest difference for me was that when I worked for book packagers, I was given an outline to follow with indications of word or page lengths for different sections. Sometimes I have also been given some of the research material. Once I wrote the text for the book packager, I e-mailed it in, I got a check, and they did what they wanted with it. They never came back to me with questions or requests for revisions or discussion about editing. They didn't want art or graphics suggestions either. When I have written books for a royalty publisher, there have been multiple revisions and discussions about editing decisions and possible art for the book, and I got to review the galleys. In some ways I have found writing for a book packager liberating. You do the work, it goes out the door, and you cash the check. In other ways, it is less satisfying because it isn't all yours from concept to final edit and often your name is only tangentially associated with it in a list of contributors. I don't have experience with fiction book packagers, although from talking to people who do that kind of work, I have the impression that the writer gets an outline and length specs. In series books like the Babysitters Club, the writer must agree to keep the characters consistent throughout the series.
 
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Thank you for that.
 
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