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hankus
11-06-2003, 10:12 AM
Is anyone familiar with this company? I've checked them out as best I can (they are in '04 Writer's Market, not '03), and I've read nothing negative.

And thanks to those who've offered insights on PA, PODs, etc. Your posts have been helpful to me.

Deejay816
11-06-2003, 12:42 PM
I submitted a short story collection to them a few months back - heard back from them very quickly. They turned down the ms. but sent a very nice response, which I have posted here:

Ms. Brown:
I want to thank you for thinking of us and it is clear you are a talented writer. However, at this time we are publishing primarily mainstream and alternative works and since your work is more literary in nature we believe you will be better served by another publisher. I would highly recommend you review the section in Writer's Market specifically for this genre as your work clearly has merit. Having been published before and being an award winning author should go a long way to getting you through the door, so to speak.
We wish you the very best of luck and encourage you to feel free to submit future works to us.

Sincerely,

Samantha E. Ruskin, CEO
Limitless, Dare 2 Dream Publishing

Deejay

absit invidia
11-06-2003, 11:56 PM
I've heard of them. Most of what they've published so far has been lesbian fiction. The quality of their editing is spotty; other than that, I don't know much about them.

mogie
02-25-2004, 07:22 AM
Hi,

I know someone whose family member is about to sign with Limitless Dare 2 Dream Publishers in South Carolina. I'm not sure they know the questions to ask about editing, distribution, and all that good stuff so I am snooping around. From their website, I cannot tell if they are POD, traditional, or "other", or how they operate in general. They hope to see this book in bookstores and I'd hate for them to be disappointed.

Thanks for any info.

vstrauss
02-25-2004, 08:03 AM
Their printer is Lightning Source, so they're definitely POD. That doesn't necessarily say anything about their business practices (POD is just a technology). But from their unprofessional-looking website I suspect they operate on a shoestring budget and rely on their authors as an unpaid sales force. I think that it would probably be up to authors to get their books into stores, solicit reviews, etc.

- Victoria

emeraldcite
02-25-2004, 08:12 AM
i was looking up the dare to dream publishers and I found one book that might offer some insight:

www.amazon.com/exec/obido...ce&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972644431/qid=1077672835/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8349424-1520915?v=glance&s=books)

if you notice under the publisher section, Dare to dream is listed as "Dare 2 Dream Desktop Publishing." This was back in Jan 2003, so things might be different now, but this is something to take into consideration. I haven't found much more yet, but i'll let you know if i see anything.

Also, check Preditors and Editors, they have a link, but not much info on this publisher.

In addition, send them an email. Ask about their initial print runs, advance, royalties, and distribution. Ask upfront, you may find that they could give you the answers themselves. Of course, you should always fact-check afterward.

Looking through the site, I also found reference to stocked books. And a reference to

<quote> NEW PRINTER SALE!!
PRICES SLASHED on all
IN STOCK books. Limited
time. Will be withdrawn
without notice so buy
now!!! </quote>

Finally, take all the books and see where you can find them. They should all be listed at the very least on Amazon. I found a sampling of them on Amazon, but some of them were not, which may mean that they are not yet printed. Also, check the www.bordersstores.com. From here you can check their inventory. See if any of the books are in stores.

good luck, and hopefully all pans out.

emeraldcite
02-25-2004, 08:15 AM
Looks like Victoia beat me to the post. I wasn't even watching, so caught up in the chase. Follow her advice, it's better. :p

mogie
02-25-2004, 10:07 PM
Thank you for your input and ideas on this publisher. It is allowing me to help my friend compile a list of questions that need to be addressed before anything gets signed. The contract has been reviewed by an attorney with experience in the area of publishing. I've suggested she ask for copies of book reviews, see what publications the reviews come from, snoop around local bookstores with the ISBNs of other books from Dare 2 Dream to see about ordering and availability, and a few other tasks all to help determine if this book is going to have distribution aside from the internet big guys and her own sweat equity.

It really is a helpful and enthusiastic bunch here at the Water Cooler. I've been enjoying my time here.

Thanks again

vstrauss
02-25-2004, 10:37 PM
Asking about book reviews is a good strategy. A publisher that's actively trying to promote its books will work hard to get reviews in Publishers Weekly, Booklist, and similar venues--readers don't always see these reviews, but librarians and booksellers do. If the publisher can't show you any reviews, or if all the reviews come from personally-owned reviewer websites, it's a good clue that this publisher is not really doing much in the way of marketing.

Check the book prices also. Since this publisher uses POD, the cover prices are going to be higher than is normal for trade-size paperbacks, but the prices shouldn't make you scream and run away.

More questions for your friend to ask:

- Are your books returnable by bookstores for full credit? (If not, bookstores will be unwilling to order them)

- Do you work with a distributor as well as a wholesaler? (A wholesaler, such as Ingram or Baker & Taylor, provides ordering and fulfillment services. A distributor provides ordering and fulfillment services, plus a staff of sales reps who pitch the publisher's catalogue to bookstores. Ideally, a small publisher should work with both a distributor and a wholesaler, or else work with a wholesaler and maintain its own staff of reps. If the publisher's books are available only through Ingram or B&T and it has no sales staff, the burden of selling will fall on the author.) (P.S. If the publisher doesn't know what you mean by this question, that will tell you something too.)

- If you don't work with a distributor, how do you sell your books into stores? (The answer should be: "We have our own staff of sales reps." If the answer is something like "We send out mass mailings and/or fliers", it's roughly the same as saying "We don't sell our books into stores at all", because stores ignore that kind of stuff as spam and junk mail).

- If you don't sell your books into stores, what's the focus of your marketing efforts? (If the answer is "our own website" or "we list with all the online bookstores", they're basically saying "marketing is up to you, kid".)

- Vicctoria

absit invidia
02-27-2004, 12:40 AM
Another thing to consider is that Dare 2 Dream is a niche publisher, specializing in gay/lesbian fiction, including explicit erotica, which many other publishers won't touch.

Things to ask the author are:

has this manuscript been submitted to other publishers? what were their comments?

what is the content of the manuscript? is there explicit sexual content?

how long is the manuscript? is the author willing to cut it or allow an editor to cut it?

I've worked with several small publishers in this genre (including D2D), and I've noticed that many authors within this genre are unwilling to do the types of rewrites and revisions that a traditional publisher would require. That being the case, sometimes a small POD publisher is their only option. D2D makes no claim to be anything other than what it is: a small POD publisher that does rely on authors to do their own marketing, which again isn't unusual in this particular genre.

LianaMScott
11-16-2004, 10:28 AM
Hi there,

I just joined through a link from P&E. I'm looking for information, good or bad, about a publisher named Limitless D2D. Anybody?

Thx.<img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif" />

eyesben
11-17-2004, 09:33 AM
I've had a bad experience with them. I would suggest you steer clear as, along with my own experiences, it is my understanding that they are under financial strain.

Hope this helps.

eyesben
11-17-2004, 09:38 AM
This may be a long-dead subject but, I was once published with D2D and they did virtually nothing to market my book. I did much of the leg work along with several attempts to get my book into book stores - to no avail.

Author beware.

DaveKuzminski
11-18-2004, 10:12 AM
P&E has gained new information about Limitless Dare 2 Dream that is not flattering and will earn them a not recommended.

eyesben
11-18-2004, 11:19 PM
Good on ya! I wish that warning had been there when I signed with them. Oh well. Many lessons learned.

Thx.

ISBN (aka eyesben):D

Whachawant
11-19-2004, 12:37 AM
The marketing of their books is somewhat staggered.
Exposure isn't up to par.
Some are available on Amazon, most are only available from their site. What the hell is that?
Payment, I think, isn't all that high, cause they're so small. Graphic work topped out at $150.

Jbooklover
12-20-2004, 05:57 AM
If Dare2Dream features lesbian erotica, would mainstream manuscripts be tainted with "image problems?" For a new author, would affiliation with Dare 2 Dream be risky?

Jbooklover
12-20-2004, 08:34 AM
Did you regret signing with them because of their lack of promotion? Was your book at all successful?

absit invidia
12-20-2004, 12:46 PM
You said: is Limitless Dare2Dream too limited?
If Dare2Dream features lesbian erotica, would mainstream manuscripts be tainted with "image problems?" For a new author, would affiliation with Dare 2 Dream be risky?

* * * * *

I'd be less concerned about being associated with a lesbian publisher than with being associated with a low-quality pubisher.

I'd also check with their authors to see if they're receiving any royalty payments.

AI

HapiSofi
12-21-2004, 10:24 AM
Having gay and lesbian connections doesn't hurt book sales. The industry noticed a while back that gay book stores were selling a lot of copies. Gay content immediately lost a lot of its stigma.

Capitalism. Gotta love it.

Being connected with erotica is no big deal. The great paperback boom was accompanied by a less heralded boom in text porn, and a generation of writers made ends meet by writing it. I could mention some writers of name who didn't just write porn; the number of book-length works they each wrote is in the three figures.

Being associated with a trashy vanityPOD, now -- that really is a social drawback.

Jbooklover
12-23-2004, 06:04 AM
Would you characterize "Limitless Dare 2 Dream" as a cheezy POD? What measure should one apply to categorize them? For a first-time author, would it be better to accept defeat and put the manuscript in the closet than accept that company as a publisher? Success in getting into print seems like a needle in a haystack process.

James D Macdonald
12-23-2004, 08:21 AM
There are worse things in this world than remaining unpublished. Being published badly is one of them.

Try writing a new, different, better book.

absitinvidia
02-14-2005, 05:29 AM
I know this is an old thread, but stay away from this publisher. From what I have heard, they have not paid their authors any royalties for over a year, and they also have not paid editors or graphic designers.

My understanding is that a group of authors are pursuing legal action to get the rights to their work away from these guys.

SirShyGuy
03-21-2005, 11:48 PM
Would anyone care to share their latest (last 18 months) experience with Limitless Dare2Dream?

Richard
03-22-2005, 02:32 AM
It's one of those names that just screeches alarm bells, really...

CaoPaux
03-22-2005, 02:40 AM
*pinging for search engine*

Limitless Dare 2 Dream Dare2Dream

absitinvidia
03-22-2005, 10:30 PM
From what I've heard, their bookkeeping is questionable and authors aren't getting their royalties. Editors also have not been paid. Avoid this publisher.

ramis
03-28-2005, 03:16 AM
I know someone who has a pending book with them and she has seen delay after delay. Doesn't sound right to me. She's had lots of promises and not much follow through.

alanna
03-29-2005, 06:14 AM
oh good! I was actually looking at them for a book i'm writing, but i couldn't find any specific info on the website, so i thought they were a bit iffy. glad it wasn't just me! :)

SirShyGuy
03-30-2005, 07:27 PM
My experience with Dare2Dream has, and is, dismal. They accepted ms over a year ago and now say it will not be published until early to mid 2006. They are extremely difficiult to deal with, no answers to questions, and they get huffy in a hurry. Stay away.

Alphabeter
03-31-2005, 11:40 AM
My sympathies ShyGuy. I hope you are able to get something done about the situation.

BonnieD
05-11-2005, 06:11 PM
Has anyone heard positive or negative feedback about Phaze Publishing? P&E has nothing negative to say about them but I wanted to check further. Thanks for any info.

Also, while I'm asking. What about Limited Dare 2 Dream (which got a Not Recommended at P&E) or Red Sage, which wasn't even mentioned.

Thanks again.

AnneMarble
05-11-2005, 06:25 PM
I haven't heard anything bad about them. I think I even bought one of their titles (via Fictionwise). But for what it's worth, I don't visit their site as much as I do certain other romantica publishers (gee I hope we're thinking of the same Phaze :o ) because they don't have as many titles. Also, weeks after the Oscars, they still had a promotion related to the Oscars on their front page, so it looked really silly. They might be getting over that "hump" as they have just added new titles. I was glad to see they were looking for submissions.

I'm not sure if other readers think the same, but it's something to keep in mind. They do have better covers than a least a couple of the other publishers, though. :)

Have you checked the Piers Anthony Internet Publishing List (http://www.hipiers.com/publishing.html)? If he lists a publisher and gets a complaint from a writer, he will list the complaint. I don't agree about everything he chooses to list as he includes a lot of outright vanity presses on there without any real criticism, but it can be a good source of writer complaints.

veinglory
05-11-2005, 06:48 PM
Phaze is new but I think they are part of Mundania which is an established and respected epublisher.

CaoPaux
05-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Here's their site: http://www.phaze.com/index.htm

They do seem to be affiliated with Mundania, but two things caught my eye: the author pays for copyright, and royalties are paid on net.

zizban
05-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Mundania has it's own romance section, Mundania by Moonlight. Weird.

absitinvidia
05-11-2005, 10:04 PM
From the Blue Feather Books Web site (http://www.bluefeatherbooks.com):

Blue Feather Books is a 100% woman-owned publishing house that focuses on books written by women, for women. That doesn't mean that we won't publish high quality books that are of general interest (children's books, for example), just that most of our titles are woman-centered. We've got stories of lesbian romance and adventure; non-fiction speculative "herstory" books; quirky, off-beat books and everything in between.

Some of our current titles will look familiar to many of you. That's because they are! Blue Feather Books acquired its current catalog by purchasing the assets (including catalog of books in print) of Limitless D2D Publishing. With that purchase, we also acquired the rights to the D2D logo. So, for the first few months that we're in business, you'll see that logo on our books' covers and title pages. We'll change those over the course of the next business year, and of course new titles will be released with the Blue Feather logo and imprimatur.

veinglory
05-11-2005, 10:09 PM
Phaze is for erotica and both those conditions are common to most erotic romance epublishers.

BonnieD
05-11-2005, 10:28 PM
Thanks. This has been very helpful. In the e-book world, what percentage of gross or net or whatever is considered fair and reasonable? The whole e-publishing thing freaks me out a little, but I know some writer's whole careers are based on it.

pepperlandgirl
05-11-2005, 10:41 PM
Thanks. This has been very helpful. In the e-book world, what percentage of gross or net or whatever is considered fair and reasonable? The whole e-publishing thing freaks me out a little, but I know some writer's whole careers are based on it.

For e-novels, 35-40% of the cover price seems to be the standard. At least of the contracts I've seen.

veinglory
05-11-2005, 11:03 PM
30-40% you can see some comparisons at http://www.veinglory.com/p.html

absitinvidia
05-11-2005, 11:11 PM
Avoid Dare 2 Dream. They just "sold" their catalog to Blue Feather Books. Who knows what that means for authors and contractors who are still owed money.

veinglory
05-11-2005, 11:15 PM
I think Red Sage is okay. There are a lot of epublishers in this genre. Ellora's Cave is the flagship example, I would also recommend Loose-Id.

CaoPaux
05-11-2005, 11:52 PM
Phaze is for erotica and both those conditions are common to most erotic romance epublishers.Good to know, thanks!

victoriastrauss
05-12-2005, 12:37 AM
This is yet another reason to be careful of small Internet-based publishers: they are prone to sudden vanishment, and as in this case, authors can suddenly discover that their rights are owned by someone they never heard of and didn't sign an agreement with.

- Victoria

Richard
05-12-2005, 12:39 AM
"herstory" books

Oh, good grief... Someone call the Etymology Police...

absitinvidia
05-12-2005, 01:20 AM
authors can suddenly discover that their rights are owned by someone they never heard of and didn't sign an agreement with.

not to mention now having to deal with two entities to try to get royalties and such paid. In this case, I have heard that only certain rights were sold, so Dare 2 Dream still holds rights to books even though they're no longer publishing.

Anyone know what recourse an author has in this type of situation?

victoriastrauss
05-12-2005, 02:49 AM
In this case, I have heard that only certain rights were sold, so Dare 2 Dream still holds rights to books even though they're no longer publishing.

Anyone know what recourse an author has in this type of situation?Good lord, what a nightmare.

I'd suspect about the only recourse would be to hire a lawyer. If Dare2Dream's contract contained a non-assignment clause, it could be that they're in breach by passing rights on to another entity.

- Victoria

DeviSparks
05-12-2005, 09:07 PM
Hey ;)

I've found the very best way to find out about a publisher is to contact their authors. In small press, authors are very open an honest, and usually quite frank, about their publishers.

I'm a Phaze author, and it's a great publisher. I'm not married to it--I'm finishing up a novel for Ellora's Cave as well. But the Phaze contract is extremely fair. Authors end up making 47% of the COVER price on ebooks sold from the Phaze store. Obviously through Fictionwise and ebookad and Ingram, the percentage is less since each of those places takes a chunk first. Benchmarks for getting a book into paperback are pretty reasonable, too.

They also pay monthly, which is cool. And paying on net is the norm these days. Phaze puts everthing on the royalty statements, so you see exactly what is going where. No hidden charges, and authors may request screen shots of store reports at any time.

Just so's you know.

~Devi

The Naked Muse
05-18-2005, 07:32 AM
This goes deeper than most people are aware. Having once been taken in by Dare 2 Dream, I feel it is only fair to shed a little light on a few facts regarding this so called "New" company which has bought the assets of Dare 2 Dream. I respectfully submit the following for you to draw your own conclusions....

Good Evening,


As some of you may be aware, an announcement was made today that a “New” publishing company has opened for business, and that this company, Blue Feather Books, Ltd., had acquired the assets of Limitless D2D Publishing. After reading the announcement, we became curious and somewhat suspicious and thus began a little information gathering.



On the surface, it appears as if Blue Feather Books, Ltd. is an entirely new company, operated by new management. Unfortunately, it seems that this is not the case. But don’t take our word for it. We have listed below a direct link so that you may discover the truth for yourselves.



In summary we found the following:



We contacted the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, and they confirmed that Blue Feather Books, Ltd. was registered with the state. The company officers on file are as follows:

CEO – Samantha Ruskin (formerly President & CEO Limitless D2D Publishing)
CFO – Joyce D. Colmar (formerly legal counsel, Limitless D2D Publishing)
Secretary – Joyce D. Colmar
Registered Agent – Joyce D. Colmar
http://www.sos.state.ga.us/corporations/corpsearch.htm (http://www.sos.state.ga.us/corporations/corpsearch.htm) Phone: (404) 656-2881



- In the “Search by Business Entity Name” box, type in “Blue Feather Books”



- When their record is displayed, click on “Officers” link on the far right side.





From Blue Feather Books’ website, we also noticed more familiar names:

Emily Reed – (formerly Customer Service & Shipping, Limitless D2D Publishing)
Caitlin d’Aquiar – (a published author under Limitless D2D Publishing)

Blue Feather Books’ contact number:



Area Code 803 is South Carolina and the exchange 356 is in the city of Lexington, SC. Both BFB’s and D2D’s contact numbers were very similar: BFB (803) 356-1823 and D2D (803) 356-8231. But this makes sense since the CEO of Blue Feather Books, Ltd, Samantha Ruskin, lists 100 Pin Oak Court, Lexington, SC as her address of record. The same exact address that housed the offices of Limitless D2D Publishing.



It makes us wonder if Blue Feather Books, Ltd is really a repackaged, re-invented Limitless D2D? And if so, just what assurances do we, the buying public and published authors, have that things will be better going forward?



In any case, after all of the openly-discussed difficulties that customers have had with Limitless D2D Publishing, we considered it our responsibility to share this information with you. We hope to see Blue Feather Books, Ltd. thrive, but past experiences with some of their staff have made us understandably cautious.



Caveat Emptor



Quaker & The Naked Muse

BonnieD
05-18-2005, 10:09 PM
veinglory and devi,
Thanks for all your help. Your table, veinglory is exactly the type of thing I've been looking for. I've been trying to compare many of these on my own but having it already laid out is great.
Also, I saw no mention of Liquid Silver. What do you think of this company?

Devi, I saw your book at Phaze when I was there and thought it looked like one I would actually check out (unlike many I've seen). I haven't had a chance to read anything lately, however, as I'm trying to keep churning out copy. I have several novella length pieces submitted here, there and everywhere and a complete novel written with a co-author for which we are trying to find a lit agent and go the traditional publishing route.

SGMwriter
05-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Let me tell you my experience with D2D: accepted book for publication Nov 03. To be published "by March 04." Then, extended publication date to Jun 04. I asked when editor would contact me, reply, SOON. When would I hear from the marketing department? Answer: SOON. I never heard from either, and finally was told I might as well edit my own book. I received the cover artwork for my book...and I didn't like it, they wouldn't budge, but, hey they're the publisher and the contract says they get last say on such things. I wanted to check out their product so I ordered a children's book about exploring a cave (I'm writing one myself so it was for research). It arrived in a couple of days--good for them. BUT!! It had incorrect grammar, syntax problems, misspelled words, the font style changed over the course of the book, the cover photo was fuzzy and cheap-looking AND! inside the back cover there was advertising for some artist's animal portraits. You'd think they'd at least advertise their own books. In May 04 I sent them an email calling their attention to the poor quality of the book I bought and protested that I didn't want advertising in my book, and expressed my concern for the quality of my book. Anne Clarkson of D2D sent me an email about how upset she was that I would accuse D2D of being unprofessional. There was an inhouse grammar expert who would ensure there were no grammatical errors or syntax errors in my book. However, she went on to say that if there WERE typos and errors THAT I MISSED (I--writer? I thought the inhouse grammatical expert was the editor) those errors would be fixed in the SECOND printing. What is that all about? They shouldn't get into the FIRST printing! D2D threatened to pull my book from production. A few days later, after I told them I didn't mean to insult them, but I was merely pointing out a problem with quality control that they might not be aware of, they reinstated my book. Publication date changed from June to September so they could give my book the attention it deserved. Then in September there was a horrible storm which destroyed their computer files. Then the publication date was changed to "by the end of the year." Then in December 04 an author friend of mine who had a book at D2D informed me her book would not come out until sometime in 2005 or later. That's when I asked D2D to pull the plug on mine. They gave me back the rights without protest...and even sent me a hard-copy letter (unsigned--and my email requests for a signed one went unanswered) giving up the rights. So, just thought I'd let you know.

Kasey Mackenzie
05-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Hmm, definitely sounds like a publisher to avoid, in whichever incarnation it's in!

The Naked Muse
05-20-2005, 07:56 AM
I agreee with you Kasey! Run don't walk to your attorney if you have signed anything with this company. There are horror stories regarding authors who have had their entire bodies of work signed with D2D and are not receiving royalties. They cannot comment because of a confidentiality agreement most felt necessary to sign at the time. The travisties that have taken place are many where this company is concerned and unfortunatly most of the authors will never recoup any of their lost royalties. To pursue this in the legal system would mean a very lengthy legal battle and most of them do not have the thousands of dollars it would take. Just ask D2D's & BFB's legal counsel about this, she can be found listed on their website. SO, like I have warned before be cautious where either of these companies are concerned.
The Naked Muse

writer_girl
06-13-2005, 09:56 PM
I wondered what had become of D2D. I am one of the lucky ones who got out and, after some legal pursuit, actually received one whopping royalties cheque for $33.00.

Advice from a stranger => stay away! Keep looking.

CaoPaux
10-02-2007, 10:00 PM
Formerly Limitless Dare 2 Dream, Blue Feather Books, Ltd. is here: http://www.bluefeatherbooks.com/index.htm

bohololita
11-28-2009, 07:02 AM
Hi. I was just checking in to see if this publishing company is still on the bad list or if it's had some upgrades done in the past two years.

Unimportant
11-28-2009, 07:40 AM
I think it's had some upgrades, in that it's no longer screwing authors or failing to pay royalties. However, it is a small POD press, and it's largely limited to lesbian fiction.

Interview with them from about a year ago can be found here: http://lesbianfiction.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=3939