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OK, here's an interesting question from a different angle:

The post office has really bizarre rules regarding mailing letters. If you send in a standard sized (#10) envelope, it doesn't matter how thick, as long as it's sealed properly (and has enough postage).

If you send in an 8X10 or 9X12 envelope though, things get trickier. I don't know if this is true if you hand print or computer print and pay in the post office itself (never done it since I don't like standing on line for forty five minutes), but I do know when I print using Paypal shipping that technically post office rules say the package (first class mail) must be either at least 3/4" thick (at it's thickest point) or must be sent using priority mail. Personally, I believe this is simply a way to gouge the American consumer and I'm working on an editorial on this subject.

Anyway, nine times out of ten, it goes through just fine anyway. However, I had one item returned with "postage due" marked on the envelope.

Now, discounting that the mailperson who wrote that obviously flunked third grade math (I paid the three ounce rate plus the cost of tracking and this person calculated based on one ounce rate -- just straight forty one cents), there is a very simply way to get around the problem:

All I have to do is stick in an air bubble, of the kind used by Amazon etc. for shipping to keep things from breaking. It then makes the envelope 3/4" thick without adding weight.

I'm thinking of resending this story that way with a note at the end saying that the air bubble is there to comply with postal regulations and can be discarded. Would that look totally unprofessional to do? I don't want to waste $4.40 for priority mail just because some postal clerk is being anal, but I want to make sure I'm not going to have an editor tossing my story out unread because it has an air bubble inside the envelope.

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Do you have any post offices with Automated Postal Centers (APC's) in your area? Check the U.S. post office website and take a look. You just drop in, go to the APC machine, and let it take care of everything for you. No waiting in line for 45 minutes, and they are available 24-7. I love my APC.

As for adding notes about bubble wrap in your submission, I don't think I'd go there. If the editor is going to toss your story out because of an air bubble, then why would they even bother reading your letter first stating why you have an air bubble? Take a look for APC's in your area and go from there.


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Do you have any post offices with Automated Postal Centers (APC's) in your area? Check the U.S. post office website and take a look. You just drop in, go to the APC machine, and let it take care of everything for you. No waiting in line for 45 minutes, and they are available 24-7. I love my APC.

As for adding notes about bubble wrap in your submission, I don't think I'd go there. If the editor is going to toss your story out because of an air bubble, then why would they even bother reading your letter first stating why you have an air bubble? Take a look for APC's in your area and go from there.


:)

-Michelle

Not near where I live. And what I'm concerned about is, I don't know if the rules are different when I send it that way. I can go into Manhattan to use one (here in Brooklyn, near where I live we don't have one -- there is one in downtown Brooklyn, but I might as well head to Manhattan for it.). Well, maybe I'll give that a shot and see what happens. Worst that could happen, it'll bounce back again. . .

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OK, here's an interesting question from a different angle:

The post office has really bizarre rules regarding mailing letters. If you send in a standard sized (#10) envelope, it doesn't matter how thick, as long as it's sealed properly (and has enough postage).

If you send in an 8X10 or 9X12 envelope though, things get trickier. I don't know if this is true if you hand print or computer print and pay in the post office itself (never done it since I don't like standing on line for forty five minutes), but I do know when I print using Paypal shipping that technically post office rules say the package (first class mail) must be either at least 3/4" thick (at it's thickest point) or must be sent using priority mail. Personally, I believe this is simply a way to gouge the American consumer and I'm working on an editorial on this subject.

Anyway, nine times out of ten, it goes through just fine anyway. However, I had one item returned with "postage due" marked on the envelope.

Now, discounting that the mailperson who wrote that obviously flunked third grade math (I paid the three ounce rate plus the cost of tracking and this person calculated based on one ounce rate -- just straight forty one cents), there is a very simply way to get around the problem:

All I have to do is stick in an air bubble, of the kind used by Amazon etc. for shipping to keep things from breaking. It then makes the envelope 3/4" thick without adding weight.

I'm thinking of resending this story that way with a note at the end saying that the air bubble is there to comply with postal regulations and can be discarded. Would that look totally unprofessional to do? I don't want to waste $4.40 for priority mail just because some postal clerk is being anal, but I want to make sure I'm not going to have an editor tossing my story out unread because it has an air bubble inside the envelope.

Eric

This is definitely not a post office requirement. Have you actually gone to the post office and attempted to mail something. I've mailed thin 9x12s all over the country, and they do not have to be sent priority mail.

If you're being ripped off, it's more likely a paypal problem than a post office problem. Sounds like you need to start mailing things without using paypal.

But how can you use bubble wrap without adding weight? Last time I checked, that stuff weighed quite a bit, and does require a little extra postage.
 

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I'm with JAR. I've never had trouble mailing thin 9x12s. This is a paypal issue, not a postal one.
 

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I think it may be a problem with using a postage meter.The requirement clearly comes from the USPS, not Paypal. It's probably some kind of arcane postal regulation.

Anyway, for this item at least, I'll run it into Manhattan tommorow and send it from the main post office. . .

Thanks for the advice.

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I ran into a similar problem last year. I ate the six dollars in postage, or whatever it was, and mailed it.

You only get one chance to make a first impression, and its worth it to me to make sure there is no possible blemish.
 
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OK, here's an interesting question from a different angle:

The post office has really bizarre rules regarding mailing letters. If you send in a standard sized (#10) envelope, it doesn't matter how thick, as long as it's sealed properly (and has enough postage).
Eric


Have the rules changed? It used to be that #10 envelops required additional postage when they weighed over 1 ounce, or about five 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper. I've had #10s returned for insufficient postage when they had only one first class stamp on them and they were sealed, but heavier than 1 ounce.
 

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OK, here's an interesting question from a different angle:


If you send in an 8X10 or 9X12 envelope though, things get trickier. I don't know if this is true if you hand print or computer print and pay in the post office itself (never done it since I don't like standing on line for forty five minutes), but I do know when I print using Paypal shipping that technically post office rules say the package (first class mail) must be either at least 3/4" thick (at it's thickest point) or must be sent using priority mail. Personally, I believe this is simply a way to gouge the American consumer and I'm working on an editorial on this subject.
Eric

This doesn't have to be a big deal.
Buy a postage scale (they aren't terribly expensive) and buy some first class stamps and a bunch of extra ounce stamps (you can buy stamps by mail or online, or sometimes out of a machine in the PO lobby). Weigh you 9 x 12 envelope, put the stamps on it, and leave it out for the mail carrier to collect or drop it in any box so long as it weighs less than 1 lb.
 

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Have the rules changed? It used to be that #10 envelops required additional postage when they weighed over 1 ounce, or about five 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper. I've had #10s returned for insufficient postage when they had only one first class stamp on them and they were sealed, but heavier than 1 ounce.

Well, yes, you do have to paste a second ounce stamp on it.
 

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Shape-based rate change May 14; here are some good URLS that explain the difference

They just changed the rules a little bit, but in the past the 3/4 inch rule only applied to putting delivery confirmation on a package. On May 14, the price didn't just go up, but new shape-based formats are now in play. You were probably charged for a "flat" instead of a regular envelope.

For one thing, more thickness in a regular envelope now bumps it into a higher category, starting at .80 cents. It's pretty confusing.

This might help: http://www.endicia.com/endicia-usa/hot/RateCase.cfm#First-ClassMail
If you scroll down there is a lot of info and pictures about the updated formats.

or read the usps update here (more jargon): http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/133.htm

Assuming you are following all the new rules, and you have a difficult postage clerk to deal with, you can print out the section of the DMM (domestic mail manual) and show them. There are always new clerks being hired; one recently told me that international reply coupons were being "retired". I'm sure the International Postal Union missed out on THAT news.

If they still give you a problem, or you don't know who it is, you can report the problem to the USPS 1-800 number, or online through their "contact us" link.

Believe it or not, they are very good about getting back to people about these issues. If a clerk is bullying people and making up their own rules, they will call the Postmaster and also get in touch with you. I had one clerk refuse to take an international Global Priority flat rate envelope, claiming I could only put "one piece of tape" on the top, and was not allowed to reinforce the sides with a second and third piece of tape. Another had some ridiculous rules for Military Mail. Both of them were set straight after I made a call.
 

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Have the rules changed? It used to be that #10 envelops required additional postage when they weighed over 1 ounce, or about five 8.5 x 11 sheets of paper. I've had #10s returned for insufficient postage when they had only one first class stamp on them and they were sealed, but heavier than 1 ounce.

Guess I wasn't clear when I said "and has enough postage." Obviously, it does have to have enough postage. My point was that you can still mail first class as long as you put on enough additional postage, no matter how thick, whereas the 9X12 was a problem for me.

I think below probably answered the question for me though. Paypal automatically gives you tracking included when you ship with them, so I guess I got fouled up on the rules regarding tracking. . .

Oh, and Tish, I do have a postal scale. I just always used paypal for my shipping because it's so convenient. . .

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They just changed the rules a little bit, but in the past the 3/4 inch rule only applied to putting delivery confirmation on a package. On May 14, the price didn't just go up, but new shape-based formats are now in play. You were probably charged for a "flat" instead of a regular envelope.

For one thing, more thickness in a regular envelope now bumps it into a higher category, starting at .80 cents. It's pretty confusing.

This might help: http://www.endicia.com/endicia-usa/hot/RateCase.cfm#First-ClassMail
If you scroll down there is a lot of info and pictures about the updated formats.

or read the usps update here (more jargon): http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/133.htm

Assuming you are following all the new rules, and you have a difficult postage clerk to deal with, you can print out the section of the DMM (domestic mail manual) and show them. There are always new clerks being hired; one recently told me that international reply coupons were being "retired". I'm sure the International Postal Union missed out on THAT news.

If they still give you a problem, or you don't know who it is, you can report the problem to the USPS 1-800 number, or online through their "contact us" link.

Believe it or not, they are very good about getting back to people about these issues. If a clerk is bullying people and making up their own rules, they will call the Postmaster and also get in touch with you. I had one clerk refuse to take an international Global Priority flat rate envelope, claiming I could only put "one piece of tape" on the top, and was not allowed to reinforce the sides with a second and third piece of tape. Another had some ridiculous rules for Military Mail. Both of them were set straight after I made a call.

Hah! We had one of those clerks for a long time. I live in a very small town and we called her "The Mail Nazi." :D
 

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The 3/4 inch rule is for Delivery Confirmation on first class mail. The reason you are having this problem is because paypal always automatically adds Delivery Confirmation, when you are mailing a first class mailpiece that is less than 3/4 inch thick, just black out the Delivery Confirmation barcode.

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Hah! We had one of those clerks for a long time. I live in a very small town and we called her "The Mail Nazi." :D

And did everyone detour to another town to get their mailing done? grin.

Don't know if I made this clear, but now the rule for first class envelopes does state that if it goes over 1/4 inch, it becomes a flat, and starts at the higher flat rate of .80.

I've taken to flattening some of my submissions under two heavy tomes. Just in case.
 

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I'm less and less keen on PayPal, the more time I spend around it. Definitely, when mailing weird packages, just go into the post office. Yeah, it's a wait, unless you have an APC as mentioned (God, but I adore my APC, I will sire it sons) but it's better than not being able to mail at all.
 

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Flats cost more

If you're mailing something that's in a 9x12, say, envelope, the base rate is higher. You pay $.80+$.17 for each ounce after the first (as opposed to $.41+$.17 for each ounce after the first).

And if it's over a pound, regardless of size, you'll have to take it to the counter at the post office to mail it.

There is no minimum thickness on flats (as the post office calls them).
 

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Some editors may appreciate the bubble-packing, maybe you can mention you include a free stress reliever with each submission and they'll look forward to packages from you in the future.

I'd shy away from the packing peanuts, though! :)
 
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