Help please, shortening forever like o'er for over

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Can anyone help me? I can't find the proper way to do this or if it was ever done in writing.

I've tried f'er, fo'er for'er but none "look" right to me.

Does anyone know?
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I urge you not to elide any words in modern poetry. That practice has been outdated for 100 years. Rely on the intelligence of your readers to naturally slide over syllables as the metrical pattern requires.

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That's funny Norman, I've been doing it for over 45 years, (my entire writing career). Could that be because I consider myself a traditionalist and am more concerned with flow than counting syllables.

I also find it interesting that the 100 years you mention roughly corresponds to the beginnings of "Modern" Poetry. (Strange Coincidence, that...or does the one derive from the other?).

As to the original question, Writer, I would have to say that that is one of the more difficult ones to elide but suggest you go with "fore'er".

Think about it.

JRH

P.S. Frost, who was also a traditionalist. seemed to have no problem or hesitation with eliding whenever he felt such necessary to the flow of his words - Fancy that.
 

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JRH:

I consider myself a formalist, moreso than a traditionalist. So far as I can tell, the mainstream practice of the best modern formalists is to not elide. That's what I'm going by. Formalism has changed through the years. Moving away from archiac diction and language practices is one of the changes, and elisions fall in this category. I'm a huge fan of Frost, and am slowly working through his complete poetical works. I haven't noticed any elisions, but they may be so natural that I have overlooked them. I'll be watching for them from now on.

The start of "modern poetry" is something I want to study. Why did it happen? Why did poets, over a relatively short period of time, abandon rhyme and meter and tight structure in favor free verse and looser structure and white space? I have a theory but have not developed it enough to state--and thus far it is based on much too limited research.

But, to each his own. We all need to decide on how we will deal with this issue. Sorry to divert your thread, Writer.

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Yeah, the elision is fore'er. And speaking of Frost, he uses it in "The Trial by Existence":
And where they sought without the sword
Wide fields of asphodel fore'er​
 

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Thank you all for the help. Didn't mean to start anything. I'll leave quietly...
 

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Norman,

Poetry has always gone thru cycles, generally extending from 75 to 120 years.
I used to divide such into Romantic/Classical and Metaphysical but lately have come to think of them as being more "Intellectually Biased" vs "Emotionally Biased"

The previous "Emotional", ("Romantic") cycle began in the late 18th, early 19th Century and lasted until Yeats, Eliot and Frost, each in their own way, began a transitional period that blended the emotional and intellectual elements, and resulted, at least in my opinion, in their representing the pinnacle of English Lanquage Poetry.

Those who followed them, partly in reaction to the excesses of the late Romantics such as Swinburne, but partly, as well, recognizing that they could not match the craftsmanship or depth of meaning that those 3 produced, chose to concentrate on the intellectual elements of their work, (Yeats' "Symbolism", Eliot's "Allusions", and Frost's "Extended Metaphors") and began the new cycle which I usually term as "Experiential Imagism" that was based on personal, as opposed to universal experience, and which is generally otherwise known as "Modernism", and is likely to be around in one form or another for 20 - 50 Years before the cycle changes again.

"Formalists", despite their use of traditional forms, remain, in my opinion, essentially "Modernists" in their philosophies and approach, and have more in common with them than with "Traditionalists" such as those of previous eras, (or myself, as i strive to emulate Yeats, Eliot, and Frost in attempting to blend the elements).

Hope this clarifies things a little.

Jim Hoye, (JRH)
 
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Depending on the syllable you need eliminated (for stress purposes) you could also go with the much maligned "f'rever"
 

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btw: I don't get your sigline.

Signed, a Covenant fan.
 

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Mmmmmmm I LOVE Frost. I am traditionalist all the way, which no one seems to read anymore. :(
 

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Fore'er (the apostrophe always takes the place of the missing letter or letters). And my 2 bits is that you should use it if it fits the mood and flow of your poem, and don't worry about what that might label you...
 

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I don't give a rats about what's fab or fashion/cist ... I'll screw a word my way to suit whatever tenor and directive device I need or wish to portray - or get my point across - within a piece!

So, dear W, do it jour way ... I'll jest humbug along, K *smile*

J

PS: Pats spot on ... but that doesn't mean to say your way or anyway you wish or need to exercise a word is wrong... that's what poetry is all about!