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Lyxdeslic

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Hey everyone,

Below, I am providing a short paragraph to which I'm looking for the following types of feedback:

a) Is it telling and not showing?
b) Is it considered purple-flowery-prose?
c) Is it any good?
d) Does it suck? -- If so, please offer why

At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.

The purpose of this post is to simply help me better gauge/understand my own writing. Personally, I'd say it's a blend of both show and tell, and borders the outer-edges of "purpleville". But, then again, I have a brick wedged between my ability to gauge my own work, and my actual opinion. Help me unwedge that brick, people. :)

Thanks in advance,

Lyx

Note: See latest revision for this sentence at Post# 43
 
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At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.
At first glance, I'd get rid of seemed to-- either it did or it didn't.
I'd probably start the sentence with Realizing David was gone
 

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Like the above poster, I found the sentence a bit clunky. Also (IMHO) the word 'function' is too clinical for an emotional sentence.
 

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At first glance, I'd get rid of seemed to-- either it did or it didn't.
I'd probably start the sentence with Realizing David was gone
Your second suggestion clicks with me right away, you're right.
I'm not sure about your first suggestion. If it actually had...her veins would burst and she'd die.

Regardless, though, thanks for your input.

Lyx
 

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I also don't really get the analogy--if the oxygen switched functions with her blood, her lungs would feel full of blood, which doesn't seem to be the case. Again, JMO, but the analogy fell flat for me.
 

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a) Is it telling and not showing?
b) Is it considered purple-flowery-prose?
c) Is it any good?
d) Does it suck? -- If so, please offer why

At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.
It reads awkwardly to me starting here, "seemed to switch functions", and going until the end. The sentence keeps the reader at a distance from the character. You could be more concise with the oxygen woosh and then follow with how she feels rather than describing it. I guess that's the difference for me: what you have here is descriptive, but doesn't tap into the emotional upheaval of your character in this moment.

Not sure about the purplyness (new word?). My MC can get very melodramatic and I have to hit her on the head to sober her up so I'm no good judge there.
 

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It reads awkwardly to me starting here, "seemed to switch functions", and going until the end. The sentence keeps the reader at a distance from the character. You could be more concise with the oxygen woosh and then follow with how she feels rather than describing it. I guess that's the difference for me: what you have here is descriptive, but doesn't tap into the emotional upheaval of your character in this moment.

Not sure about the purplyness (new word?). My MC can get very melodramatic and I have to hit her on the head to sober her up so I'm no good judge there.
Excellent feedback, Namatu. Thanks very much. I'm also glad to see I'm not alone on the "purplyness" :) issue.

Lyx
 

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Your second suggestion clicks with me right away, you're right.
I'm not sure about your first suggestion. If it actually had...her veins would burst and she'd die.

Regardless, though, thanks for your input.

Lyx

Then you need something else to indicate the feeling of the oxygen in her veins while making it clear it isn't actually happening.

Maybe it felt like her veins widened and filled with air...perhaps she held her breath, so the oxygen she isn't breathing is in her veins...

I'd say play with it and see what you come up with, and maybe put it up on SYW.
 

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So then what if it's simplified? She felt like every drop of blood had been drained from her body -- leaving her a hollow shell of her former self. Or something like that? Too cliche right? Sigh, I don't think there's anything wrong with being flowery though. I just think what makes a difference is how flowery, you are.

Okay, I have to get flowery myself. I'm probably feeling more than thinking. Here goes: It's the difference between a drop of perfume on the pulse points, and bathing in perfume. A drop here and there is lovely, while bathing in it, well that's nauseating. Of course some people are allergic to flowers so...
 
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Just a nitpick, but I'm almost sure you need a comma after veins.
 

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So then what if it's simplified? She felt like every drop of blood had been drained from her body -- leaving her a hollow shell of her former self. Or something like that? Too cliche right?

But the filter (she felt) still puts distance between the reader and the character. Trust the reader to realize that her blood hasn't actually been drained (unless it's a vampire novel, in which case filters are your friend).
 

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It's too "telling", too clinical and too purple for me. If she is going to have a "hollow" or lost feeling when David leaves, you might place that thought in the reader's mind by "showing" her standing at a window (staring after David) (slumping at the sound of the car starting and driving away) (sitting at the kitchen table drinking tea, while tears drip off her nose) (staring into a fireplace)(sipping coffee, sitting on the deck as she watches the sun rise over the trees and burn away the mist), all contingent of course on time, place and context.
 

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But the filter (she felt) still puts distance between the reader and the character. Trust the reader to realize that her blood hasn't actually been drained (unless it's a vampire novel, in which case filters are your friend).

Thanks, I think I understand now. Speaking of vampires. Why not just ask yourself "what would Anne Rice do?" then do the opposite? Hasn't she been accused of being too flowery with her vampires? I know it works for her, and I like her novels. I'm just saying. Doesn't have to be Anne Rice. Just anyone who writes flowery prose.

Sort of like when I play poker. Watch what everyone else at the table is doing, then do the opposite. A surprisingly good strategy in poker. I don't know how well it works for writing.
 

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I like the over-the-top tone of the sentence. You have a voice. Make sure you read your stuff out loud. That should help smooth it out. Also, keep in mind that your voice must always serve the point you are trying to make. So don't get so caught up in your words that you forget your story. Was there a reason you picked this particular sentence to share?
 

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At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.

As some others have pointed out, the underlined parts are where too many unneeded words are being used.
 

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I say scrap it all.

Go with:

David was an ass. Where's the chocolate and remote?
 

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I say scrap it all.

Go with:

David was an ass. Where's the chocolate and remote?

Naw.

Here it is:

David was gone. Finally.

She went to her dresser drawer, retrieved her vibrator, and turned on the television to the Weather Channel. Watching cold fronts bash into warm fronts always turned her on, made her blood and oxygen do weird things.

Afterward, she ordered Papa John's.
 

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Or:

At the realization that David was gone, she cried, "No, David! No! No, David, no no no! No, David! Nooooooooooooooooooo! Daaaaaaaaaaaaavid!! No, David, please God no! David! David! David? David! Nooooooo!"
 

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Hey everyone,

At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.

Lyx

Hi,

Hate to nitpick about the grammar (though an editor will :) but as written there is a problem here. The referent for the opening phrase is "oxygen"--but I'm sure you don't mean to suggest that the oxygen "realized" David had left. Though that is a little spooky!

Not saying this is a great sentence, but to be gramatically correct you'd have to say something like: "At the realization that David was gone, she felt the oxygen inside her switch functions (places?) with her blood...."

I too have had to struggle to get past overwriting, and to make scenes more vivid. I'm working on revisions of my memoir. I might revise a sentence like this into something simpler and more direct. Maybe like this:

"David had left. The realization finally hit her. She felt the oxygen switch places with her blood, felt it rush through her veins, hollowing her out."

Wouldn't it also kill you to have air rush into your veins? Yikes!

I do like the image of oxygen and blood--it's very striking and original, though I'm not sure I totally understand it. But it does grab your attention.

Thanks for giving us this challenging exercise! Always much harder to revise one's own work, of course.

Good luck!

Susan
 

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At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.

Ok thought I'd just add my own opinion in about it. Two parts immediately jumped out at me while reading it at-a-glance, so to speak.

The first has to do with connotation. The word "oxygen" immediately brings to mind science, and you're left wondering if you're talking about the respiration process happening. The comment pops into people's heads, "why is this here at such a moment? I want to friggin be sad that he's gone, not concerned with the science of a potential metaphor!" The word "functions" calls up the same connotation, bringing to mind the dread days of learning how f(x) = mx + b (I happen to like math, but that's beside the point of your story). My advice here is to be careful of your metaphors (if you removed "seemed to" that is), in general, and make sure they make sense and really do achieve the greater depth of feeling you're going for. More often than not, I find I achieve this if I (1) know the scene and world of my story in and out and (2) I am in the moment, feeling the feeling, looking for what I can write down for people to attach themselves to with firmness, not turn them away in a feeling of isolation or cliche.

The second part that stuck out was "the very definition of a hollow feeling". First off, you assume by putting that in there that people know the very definition of a hollow feeling. Putting in "the very definition" only detracts from the read because it seems to imply to the reader "if you looked this up, you could get it because you don't already". If it was some weird word that no one hardly ever uses, I could see that phrasing working.. but it still wouldn't fit into the story. Also, you want to get to the heart of what she is feeling at this moment, correct? I know you are trying to "show" what a hollow feeling is through the oxygen phrase, but you are instead coming accross as "telling" because you state that it was "a hollow feeling". The question that comes from that is - "How hollow?! Why didn't you just tell me?" Then they realize that you were being clever in your exploration of the word "hollow" at an emotionally sensitive moment, and all their confusion about science and functions and definitions comes to a head and they detach from the story. They perhaps read on, but not within your world.. and that's a danger. Also, although they might enjoy your interpretation of feeling hollow, you have to be aware of the emotions that your readers are employing when reading your story and are fully invested in it.

Aside from these reactions... if your metaphor/simile works for you and the moment, it might be wise to switch the order, especially because the connotated meaning of oxygen (which I would replace with air, to be honest) should not overtake what the passage says it means. It will, however, be less effective if the oxygen is thrown at the reader before you've manipulated them into thinking of the oxygen-blood exchange as a metaphor for the hollowness of loss.

In my opinion, such a serious topic shouldn't have this metaphor attached with it, as it both borders on the lighthearted, and seems to connotate ideas dissociated with the effect you're trying to reach with the situation in the story. That is, of course, from all I know of your story, and those decisions are up to you.

Hope that's helpful! :) Don't ever hesitate to ask for help like that - good on you.

EDIT - also thought of the word "flooded". It seems that this would work better than "switched places with" and we can simply infer that the blood left the building. It connotates invasion and distruction, especially when the thing it is invading is blood (which allows life). If you want this metaphor, "flooded" is an excellent word to choose.
 
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At the realization that David was gone, all of the oxygen in her seemed to switch functions with her blood -- coursing through her veins creating the very definition of a hollow feeling.

You could get very dramatic…

Sorrow blurred her vision and she struggled to breath. Her heart throbbed. David was gone. Emptiness consumed her. :cry:
 
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