the credd dant challenge

[kborsden]

A cerdd dant is a traditional Welsh musical-poetic form. It is written in countermelody to the music and reads/sings poetic verse using vocal stresses within the unstressed notes of the music; normally harp music; the language Welsh; usually improv, but if anyone's interested, we'll do it pre-designed in English to any classical instrument.

Any musicians and/or poets out there wanting to put their hand to it?

Step forward.

[kborsden]

example of cerdd dant:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9-S17Mejw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9-S17Mejw)

[P.H.Delarran]

That's you there, when you were little. singing. right??
:D
It's an intriguing form.
SO, the challenge would be to put words to an exsisting piece of music (in the way decribed?)?
I do this often in my head to classical pieces, but haven't given a lot of thought to the stresses, nor have I written anything down.
But I could give it a go..I'm just a slow producer so hopefully there wil be others meantime.

[kborsden]

I was thinking we'd write the whole thing on our own, even the classical musical base to be played by a sole instrument.

[ddgryphon]

Count me in--I'll have to do some research of my own to see if I actually understand the form--but it sounds just like my kind of thing.

[P.H.Delarran]

Ohh, well it's a great challenge. I haven't written music in a long time and barely at that. I'll be watching, but doubt I'll jump in. (I'm such a wuss)
You could also post the challenge (or link to it) over in Songwriting.

[ddgryphon]

My understanding it that it is done over an air or simple melody (Think Greensleeves). If I am to understand it correctly it is meant to act as a counter-melody, setting its accents off from the accented portions of the melody.

Do I understand it correctly?

[kborsden]

You understand entirely.

Great stuff, you explained it more clearly than I could.

Got it, people?

[Writer???]

For those not musically inclined but perhaps might like to join in:

The unaccented part of music are the upbeats.

If a piece of music is in 4/4 time there are 4 "beats" to a measure. 1 2 3 4
In between those down beats (think of foot tapping floor 1 2 3 4), are the up beats when you "lift" your foot again. (Think 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and) the ands, in this case, would be the up beats, or unaccented portions of the music.

If it helps think: 1 I 2 want 3 to 4 say 1 I 2 love 3 you, or, tap I tap want tap to tap say...etc.

Then of course there are pauses in the vocals where just the music would play, but the thing to remember is, that when there is a vocal sound, it comes on the up beat or series of up beats.

This is a simplistic explanation. What they are attempting is far too difficult for me. I hope I haven't wasted anyone's time.

[ddgryphon]

I can provide a sound file of a simple air--should we use something known and public domain? Or should I write something for this to start us off and have us each give a go. If I do that I'll do AABA something say 32 measures long to work with--I'm talking a strumed or repeated bass pattern under a very simple melody.

Would that be sufficient?

[kborsden]

That would be great to start with (something simple you write, I mean), we can always change it later if we can't fit poetic lyrics to it.

Great stuff!

[ddgryphon]

I've started something and want to get a feel for it's suitability:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=69398 (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=69398)

It is called Air, and it is the song at the top of the list--again, this is a first shot--and very incomplete--just the first A, you can hear it cadence and start a B section, but I decided to see if the idea of what I'm doing is suitable. I need to listen to that video again I think and pay close attention to the Harp.

My initial thoughts are that the bass line is overly busy--I can fix that easily enough when I get home tonight.

Something happened and I ended up stuck at home a bit longer than expected. Try Air #3, it is my second attempt, it is only an partial section, but I need thoughts on tempo and meter (is 3/4 or 4/4 better for this? Do we want to try a slightly off-beat 5/4 or 7/4 meter?) I'm new to this bit, so any suggestions will be helpful.

All right, that's it for now: There's an Air #4 to listen to as well. Please give all three a listen and see if you think any are useful or if I'm completely off track. The Air #4 is in 5/4--I had to see what it would sound like as soon as I said it.

Anyway--I'm late and must be going.

[kborsden]

Are we writing an elemental piece, with air as the theme?

Could be a good idea...

Air#3 is the best, a little slower so that the vocals can be dragged or stressed with more refinement and I think we've got a great start.

As for the lyrical content, I'm in two minds of how to write them,
the traditional form would be cynghanedd;

using stress, alliteration and internal rhyme in pre-designated order, there are 4 types:

(1) groes -- All consonants which appear in the first line are repeated in the following line in the exact same order using the structure A/A for the first two lines and continuing to B/B in the following and so forth. No rhyme.

e.g. money or passion/ many are pissing

(2) draws -- the same as above but only a few consanents are repeated depending on how the second line is intended to read and with what words. No rhyme.

(3) sain -- has three sections; the first and second sections rhyme; the consonants of the second section are repeated in the third section.

e.g of all my fame/throughout my shame/the rought mishampered man

(4) lusg -- first accented syllable in the line rhymes with the second-to-last syllable of the line, this is a singular section form, each following line is a new section.

e.g. wonder of you as I ponder


The syllable count and line length is decided by the melody.



Less traditionally we could create our own form to fit the piece using the vast array of devices available or even combine the traditional forms/styles into one.

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Would like some feedback on this.

Maybe we should get Tessa involved, man, that girl can be our voice, and God knows she's got a great one!


;)

[ddgryphon]

Okay, I'll work out the 2nd one a little slower and complete the various sections so that it fills 32 bars.

As for format, we may have to devise our own, along with everything else, I don't know how complex I can stand to get with rhymes and such.

[ddgryphon]

Kie:

It is called air, becuase that is the type of piece it is: Ayre/Air/Aire as in Londenderry Aire

[kborsden]

I hear you, loud and clear.

That's what I was thinking at any rate. Maybe a modern take on the traditional, leaning to it but also away; just hints of the traditional format.

What do you think?

That's a bridge we'll have to decide to cross eventually.

[kborsden]

I'm musically illiterate, practically, and might aswell wear the dunce hat when it comes to it. I'll give you all the help I can as to how things sound to my ear, but, unfortunately, without technical jargon.

But the lyrical side of things should come more naturally to me...

What about a theme/concept/story? Any ideas?

[Rivana]

I'm way too tired to think meters and stuff right now, but this seems like a great project guys. Love what you're doing. As for the air -I felt the first one was best suited for the task because it's the simplest melody. The others were very pretty, but felt too complete in their own right. It would be hard to put a voice there without having to conform to the melodies already present. There just isn't very much room to play in.

If that makes any sense, I really need my bed now. ^o^

Night.

[ddgryphon]

I hear you, loud and clear.

That's what I was thinking at any rate. Maybe a modern take on the traditional, leaning to it but also away; just hints of the traditional format.

What do you think?

That's a bridge we'll have to decide to cross eventually.

I think that's the way to go.

[ddgryphon]

I'm musically illiterate, practically, and might aswell wear the dunce hat when it comes to it. I'll give you all the help I can as to how things sound to my ear, but, unfortunately, without technical jargon.

But the lyrical side of things should come more naturally to me...

What about a theme/concept/story? Any ideas?

My internet research didn't turn up any specific themes related to the Cerdd Dant--what are your thoughts in that arena?

Since it seems so Pastoral, would nature, in some way, be a fitting theme? Man and nature, appreciation of nature. Should it be something particularly Welsh--which I couldn't even begin to think of.

I've been reading about the Madoc legend--"Madoc founder of Clark County" that points to evidence of a Welsh prince who left his home because of all the in-fighting and came to the new world before all the famous folks we usually talk about. I could bring some general ideas for that to the table.

Freedom is a good general topic as well.

I'm too tired to think--wore myself right out today.

More tomorrow.

[ddgryphon]

Apparently I was wrong, I went ahead and fixed up the Ayre #3 and it is now on the Soundclick site: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=69398

It should be at the top of the page, see you guys sometime tomorrow.

[kborsden]

I like the elemental idea, and nature and Welsh mythology/legend concept.

Maybe not a story, because that would be pretty hard to pull off, but Madoc ap Owain Gwynedd's discovery of america and his return as metaphor for new found freedom and personal discovery with hints of nature (nature is, after all, the embodiment of freedom).

As far as writing metric lyrics goes, you'll have to email me the sheet music, accented notes highlighted, so I can work on it.

If Tessa is to sing, she'd probably like more say in the melody of the poem, so I think posting WIP in this thread while we build it would be a better idea than emailing back and forth.

It's sounding great, Dirk. I'm getting a little excited and more than curious as to what the final product will sound like.

[kborsden]

Tessa,

both melodies of the cerdd dant should be able to stand alone aswell as compliment each other.

The lyrics should read as a poem, with a natural rhythm and melody without the music and be singable.

It should be four seperable works, poem-acapella-melody-cerdd dant.

This is why I find the more melodic, yet equally simple air#3 the best. Now it's longer and slightly slower, it's a great piece of music to work with.

[ddgryphon]

I like the elemental idea, and nature and Welsh mythology/legend concept.

Maybe not a story, because that would be pretty hard to pull off, but Madoc ap Owain Gwynedd's discovery of america and his return as metaphor for new found freedom and personal discovery with hints of nature (nature is, after all, the embodiment of freedom).

As far as writing metric lyrics goes, you'll have to email me the sheet music, accented notes highlighted, so I can work on it.

If Tessa is to sing, she'd probably like more say in the melody of the poem, so I think posting WIP in this thread while we build it would be a better idea than emailing back and forth.

It's sounding great, Dirk. I'm getting a little excited and more than curious as to what the final product will sound like.

I'll do some notations on the beats (strong and weak) and try to post it up here (screen shots will suffice I guess)--We can change keys to suit whatever range our singer offers--I would prefer a clear, plainsong voice to an operatic/art song voice.

Madoc as Metaphor for freedom works for me, have we agreed on a structural approach for the poem? I know Kie offered some traditional approaches, but they seemed a bit, too difficult for me, I suppose. Will I be working out a counter melody based on the poetry/beat analysis of the poem and existing music?

Thanks for the compliment on the music.

[kborsden]

Will I be working out a counter melody based on the poetry/beat analysis of the poem and existing music?



Best would be to write out the poem in a neat, lean metric form to fit the weak-strong ratio/meter of the music and then through an analytical approach convert this into a melody, we'll need the help of the singer for that.

As for the vocal style, Rivana doesn't have an exceedingly operatic voice anyway, click on one of the links in her sig to hear her. Her voice is a crisp, I'd call it, voice with much purity.

just a thought:
we could call this piece,
cerdd dant at bantiau chan rhyddid {ker'th dant at ban-ti-eye gan hreethe'id}
(cerdd dant to valleys of freedom)

For more instruction on Welsh pronunciation, look here (http://www.britannia.com/celtic/wales/language.html).

[ddgryphon]

I've bookmarked the Welsh pronunciation--for some reason, I think I'll be needing it.

You're right, she has a wonderful plainsong vocal quality that should work well.

To work.

[kborsden]

Have you marked out the sheet music yet?

I'd like to have a go at writing something toward this...

[ddgryphon]

Have you marked out the sheet music yet?

I'd like to have a go at writing something toward this...

I'm not at home right now--I had to venture out into the real world with real people today--when I'm home tonight I'll mark it out and post it as an image.

[Rivana]

All right Kie, I'll trust you know what you're doing. :-) It's a bit like syncopated song, I think(?)

Anyway, I listened to air 3 again and yeah, maybe it does work better. It's a beautiful tune and as I re-listened now I got sort of a song melody in my head, or the alluring promise of it at any rate. ^o^

This is such a wonderful idea, I get all tingly inside with anticipation.

Cerdd Dant to Valleys of Freedom is a beautiful name btw.

So do any of you have any counter melody lurking in your minds yet? Any wording?

'K, think that's all I had of bubbling tonight, I'm off to bed. Night guys.

[kborsden]

I had to venture out into the real world with real people today

That is some scary shit right there, how did it work out for you?

Still got that creative spark? Or did the vampiric carrion of psuedo-intellectual norms draw it from you?

Stay indoors, STAY indoors!

[kborsden]

This is just a rough idea, the bold are artificial and natural stresses:

Intro | intro |I travelled | as Madoc | in absent | pretense of | those valleys |
with shrouded | green fauna | of scenic | mild new life | calm seasons | meanings of | in betweens, | as open | wounds are ref | used | we turn to | refute the | truths and sores | seen within | desuetude | upon | return |
I know your | face unchanged | yet beset | with knowledge | my journey | your own |
coda | coda

[ddgryphon]

Looks good--Tired, but I've e-mailed you the edited score with beat marks etc.

Looking forward to working this out with you.

[kborsden]

Here's how it reads as a poem (including proper punctuation - is that important for the countermelody?), just incase you want to change where we put the accents:

I travelled as Madoc
in absent pretense of those valleys
with shrouded green fauna
of scenic mild new life;
calm seasons; meanings
of in-betweens.

As open wounds are refused,
we turn to refute
the truths and sores
seen within desuetude.
Upon return, I know your face,
unchanged yet beset
with knowledge,
my journey - your own

[kborsden]

scrap the last poem:

soldier's englyn cerdd dant poem

I travelled as Madoc
in absence to caulk
while locked in your craddock arms,
lost from the flock

mild new world scenic
in season and meaning;
a life of trees to reason
blows in the breeze

open wounds are refused
as we turn to refute
the lost truths of youth's sores
in desuetude

your face,
beset with
wisdom

my journey - your own


I travelled | as Madoc | in absence | to caulk | while locked in | your craddock | arms, |
lost from the | flock |

mild new world | scenic | in season | and meaning; | a life of | trees to rea | son |
blows in the | breeze |

open wounds | are refused | as we turn | to refute | the lost truths | of youth's sores |
in desue| tude |

your face, | beset | with wisdom | my journey | your own |

[Rivana]

Why scratch? I liked the former one better.

[ddgryphon]

I actually prefer the form of the second and the execution. I want to make sure I understand that the stresses in the poem i.e. : The marked stresses in the lyric/poem are to occur off the accented beats of the music--do I get that right?



Here is the first sample test (http://ddgryphon.tripod.com/images/cdtest.jpg)


This is just a first sample counter-melody, it may not be the final, just seeing if I get the concept.

(PS: ignore the tempo marking it should be quarter note = 95)

[Rivana]

I only get a tripod picture with that link.

[ddgryphon]

I only get a tripod picture with that link.

Damn.

Let me try something else.

[ddgryphon]

Okay, go here (http://dirk.griffin.home.insightbb.com/) and click on the little image of music--that should give you the picture.

I'm going to try to put it here as well: http://dirk.griffin.home.insightbb.com/html-jsp/HomePicture.php?personID=20439

You can just try clicking on the second link.

[Rivana]

Those links worked beautifully. Looks good, I wanted to do a couple of things a bit differently, but I'm not sure that fits with how it's all meant to be. Nothing major just holding one note instead of the other and 'trill' a little. Don't know if it even needs notation. Or if I did it all correctly. Oh, an intro would be good for that, only having one note makes it a bit difficult to start off right. All in all, very lovely work Dirk. ^o^

Kie, I'm starting to like those lyrics a lot. Two things though -isn't it supposed to be 'for absence to caulk'? I can't make sense of 'in absence to caulk' grammar wise. And, how do you pronounce craddock?

[ddgryphon]

Thanks, once I get the whole of it worked out, I'll put a 3 or 4 bar intro on it for the harp.

I really do mean thank you for your appreciation of the tune.

[kborsden]

craddoc - kra'thock

I spelled it wrong, the proper spelling is craddoc, there is no k in the Welsh alphabet

You are right with your gramma Tessa, I couldn't quite figure out what was wrong with that line until now.

[kborsden]

Is there a way to hear the music instead of just viewing what is written?

Yes, Dirk, you understood perfectly.

[ddgryphon]

Is there a way to hear the music instead of just viewing what is written?

Yes, Dirk, you understood perfectly.

Sure, all you had to do was ask.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=69398 (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=69398)

It should be at the top of the page--the flute is the vocal line.

I'm working on posting the complete score in images, so you can download that too.

[ddgryphon]

You can download all the scores and the MP3 from:

http://homepage.mac.com/ddgryphon/FileSharing1.html

I still need to do a few bars of introduction, but that's no big deal if we're basically happy with this--otherwise, I'm willing to entertain suggestions.

[Writer???]

Whoa DD,
Beautiful!

[Rivana]

The music and lyrics are really beautiful guys, I tried singing it. Here's what I've got right now, let me know your thoughts. http://www.4shared.com/dir/2575918/46a004c7/sharing.html

[ddgryphon]

The music and lyrics are really beautiful guys, I tried singing it. Here's what I've got right now, let me know your thoughts. http://www.4shared.com/dir/2575918/46a004c7/sharing.html

Very nice--would you benefit from it being lowered a step or two--that's easy enough to do, if you'd like.

I think it has come together well as a piece--Kie's the only one who knows how close to the mark we are on creating a Credd Dant.

BTW--I did notice, Craddok is Krathok--though, keeping the melody under the circumstances, I can't imagine was terribly easy--I'm sure you've sung easier pieces.

Hopefully it is tough but rewarding.

Let me know if you want it dropped a step or two and I'll provide the files for you. (BTW--very nice voice--perfect for this type of thing, IMHO).

[Rivana]

Thanks Dirk, tough but rewarding about sums it up. Took a lot of repetition. Do you know if cradoc is krathock or kraythock? I bet it's the second, just cause it's much harder to get right. :-/

:-D

I tried lowering to B in Audacity (btw, which notation software do you use? I'm looking to get one.) It becomes a bit easier on the high, but troublesome with the a since it's at my border (or whatever that's called in English). I usually sing in Bb if I get to decide. That being said, I'm not sure which of the three will ultimately work best. Think I'll experiment a bit and then do one of each and let you guys decide. *laughs evilly*
Aaand... intro? *prods*

Kie, you around? What are your thoughts?

[ddgryphon]

I'll try dropping it to the C--that way Bb is the lowest note you'll sing--what is your range BTW?

I use Finale, but then I will diddle it a bit in Garage Band for instrumentation. I'm looking at some of the instrument packs available for it. Finale has some great plug-ins BTW. Sibelius is a nice notation program, but since I've used Finale for--Lord knows how long--it isn't different enough to really warrant learning a new program. I love Audacity--it has most of the common features I had available in Peak, but its FREE---yes excellent freeware!

I should go to sleep. I'll send you the link or whatever once I do an intro and drop it a step.

[kborsden]

WOW!!!

Sorry I haven't been around much, I've been busy. But that was pretty damned good as it goes.

Craddoc - krathock

Right, gotta get back to the baby and stuff, but I'll drop in whenever I can.

[Rivana]

All right, this is me being stupid. But what key was it in now, D? I figured it was C since there were no other notations, but my theory is very rusty. I lowered it a half step with Audacity anyway. So, maybe that was to Ciss? Anyway, C would probably work as well then.
My range? Good question. It's one of those things I've never really gotten a handle on. I've never been good at musical theory. Err...I can go pretty low, not sure just how low. I like to sing in Ab or Bb and I think my highest note is a high G in the key of C, G5 I think it's called. That's really pushing it though. Basically I'm an Alto 1 who can do Alto 2, likes it in Soprano 2 and dabbles in Soprano 1 when pressed.
Thanks for the tips on software, I'm off to play now. Sleep tight.

[Rivana]

Thanks and welcome Kie. Have fun with the baby stuff. ^o^

[ddgryphon]

All right, this is me being stupid. But what key was it in now, D? I figured it was C since there were no other notations, but my theory is very rusty. I lowered it a half step with Audacity anyway. So, maybe that was to Ciss? Anyway, C would probably work as well then.
My range? Good question. It's one of those things I've never really gotten a handle on. I've never been good at musical theory. Err...I can go pretty low, not sure just how low. I like to sing in Ab or Bb and I think my highest note is a high G in the key of C, G5 I think it's called. That's really pushing it though. Basically I'm an Alto 1 who can do Alto 2, likes it in Soprano 2 and dabbles in Soprano 1 when pressed.
Thanks for the tips on software, I'm off to play now. Sleep tight.

Currently it is in D-dorian mode, I can drop it to C-dorian.

dorian is (stepwise) 1 .5 1 1 1 1 .5 1 (D E F G A B C D)

C-dorian would then be C Db Eb F G A Bb C

It will have a slightly darker sound because of all the flat notes, but remain "old" sounding because of the modal quality.

I'll play with it in a bit and post something for you to give it a go in (C-dorian).

[ddgryphon]

Thank Kie--still tweaking a bit.

[Rivana]

Ack, that's complicated, I'll just leave you to it. ;-)

If darker doesn't work too good for the harps, maybe you could take it up a notch or two instead and I'll sing in the lower register.

[kborsden]

I have just one problem with the cerdd dant as it is at the moment, the final 2 stanzas of the poem are sung very high and distorted, maybe if that could be a little lower the vocal content would better understood. In Welsh song, the final verse and it presceeding verse are the key to the song and as such they carry the most weight. This is also true of the cerdd dant and the poem written for it, as it stands that weight is not fully conveyed through te simple fact that the tone is too high to understand the lyrics. Is it at all possible to make alterations to that? The rest is perfect, simply beautiful!

[ddgryphon]

Kie--we're giving it another go right now--I'm sending an amended bit off to Rivanna, I've lowered the piece, in the hopes that the high section won't seem too high and distorted--I had much the same problem, though from a purely compositional vantage point.

[ddgryphon]

Rivanna:

I've updated the files at http://homepage.mac.com/ddgryphon/FileSharing1.html

I sent you an e-mail, but since I'm not sure you got it, I'm posting here. The new files are marked as C-corian. It will either help greatly or make it completely impossible.

[Rivana]

Sorry for not responding promptly Dirk, I got sidetracked with the music, but I got the e-mail. I've taken a look, and for now I like the original best. I'll be putting up a new sung version of that tomorrow, to see what you and Kie feel then. (I've taken care to articulate better.) But an idea I had was if you could keep the original melody and just lower it half a step (as opposed to a whole step which would be the c-dorian I take it?) I think that might do the trick.

[ddgryphon]

Sorry for not responding promptly Dirk, I got sidetracked with the music, but I got the e-mail. I've taken a look, and for now I like the original best. I'll be putting up a new sung version of that tomorrow, to see what you and Kie feel then. (I've taken care to articulate better.) But an idea I had was if you could keep the original melody and just lower it half a step (as opposed to a whole step which would be the c-dorian I take it?) I think that might do the trick.


A half-step would make it C# dorian, but whatever--I'll do it again and post in the same place, look for it in about an hour.

[kborsden]

I for one can't wait to hear how this works out...

[ddgryphon]

Okay, it is available at both the soundclick site and my personal site (http://homepage.mac.com/ddgryphon/FileSharing1.html)

Can't wait to hear yours--I'm considering giving it a go myself.

[kborsden]

Just been listening to the new version and it sounds great, I can't wait (as usual) to hear Tessa give it a go...

Makes me all tingly inside to think what we've done in such short time.

My great grandfather was a Cerdd Dant bard for the Eisteddfod ages ago and wrote both the music and the poetry to fit it. That was done mostly in collaberation too. Strange how things come around.

[ddgryphon]

If we're enjoying this as much as I'm enjoying it, then we'll have to do more--anything you want to send my way. Anything you'd like set in a classical style (like this--half-folk/half-classical) or something more along the lines of traditional art songs, I'm good for.

[Rivana]

Here's the better articulated and more rehearsed version of the prior D-dorian song. http://www.4shared.com/file/15074228/cd43d8d5/cerdd_dant_song_take2.html
Check it out.

I'll start working on the C#-dorian in a couple of hours.
Thanks for being a good sport Dirk. :-)

Oh and guys, I hope you're enjoying this as much as I am, cuz I'm having a blast. ^o^

[Rivana]

Just a quick update to say I couldn't do the singing today since I haven't had a moment alone to sing without interruption. Tomorrow, tomorrow.

[kborsden]

No worries, I think your second try was more than better...it sounded pretty damn near excellent!

[Rivana]

Yay! *cyberhugs Kie* Thanks, I was pretty happy with that one too.
Didn't get an opportunity to record the second today either, but I'm hoping to get to it tomorrow, to compare if nothing else.

It would be nice with an intro to the d-dorian one though... ^o^

[ddgryphon]

Yay! *cyberhugs Kie* Thanks, I was pretty happy with that one too.
Didn't get an opportunity to record the second today either, but I'm hoping to get to it tomorrow, to compare if nothing else.

It would be nice with an intro to the d-dorian one though... ^o^

No problem--I'll get one up tonight.

[Rivana]

You're the best Dirk!

[ddgryphon]

Maybe not--I fell asleep--I'm really rushed right now, but I'll try to get it on the site today.

Did you try the new C-dorian?

[Rivana]

I did try the c#yeah, been recording today.
I just can't get it right. It's slower than it was, right? And/or you did some minuscule changes? (The ending, for one.) I would love for it to be the original version, just taken down to C# with an added intro. It might seem like such small changes shouldn't make a difference, but it really does. And, I would love that original version in the original D pitch with an added intro. I think one of those will work out beautifully.

[ddgryphon]

I'm sorry, it has been a busy week--it is up on the apple site now--looking forward to hearing it.

http://homepage.mac.com/ddgryphon/FileSharing1.html (http://homepage.mac.com/ddgryphon/FileSharing1.html)

[ddgryphon]

Just for grins I check on my Soundclick page stats--which never do very well--Guess what:

Soldier's Englyn (Cerdd Dant)
# 821 in Classical (highest position was 459). Total songs: 24,750
# 210 in Classical General (highest position was 83). Total songs: 5,879

One of my best showings--thanks guys.

[Rivana]

That's so great Dirk, congratulations, and you too Kie!

[Rivana]

I've put up a few files (http://www.4shared.com/dir/2575918/46a004c7/sharing.html) again. One C# Dorian version and three versions of the D Dorian because I couldn't decide which one sounded the best.

[ddgryphon]

They seem equally well done give or take a note here or there. Which is your favorite?

I think they're lovely.

Dirk

I've put up a few files (http://www.4shared.com/dir/2575918/46a004c7/sharing.html) again. One C# Dorian version and three versions of the D Dorian because I couldn't decide which one sounded the best.

[Writer???]

Sorry to interrupt, but Have either of you heard from Kie? I hope all is well.

The song sounds very good by the way, you have all done a wonderful job to bring this together.

[Rivana]

Thanks Dirk and, well. I don't know, Dorian song2 I think.

Though really I can't even enjoy listening to it anymore since my ears are constantly picking up on any detail that's just the slightest bit off. *sigh*

If you want you can take the one you think is best and critique it, then I can do over and hopefully improve.

They seem equally well done give or take a note here or there. Which is your favorite?

I think they're lovely.

Dirk

[Rivana]

No worries, and no I haven't heard from him. But then he's probably very busy and doesn't log in every day. You could always send him a mail and check.

Sorry to interrupt, but Have either of you heard from Kie? I hope all is well.

The song sounds very good by the way, you have all done a wonderful job to bring this together.