Rejection: How honest?

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Birol

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That's a good question right now.
If you're to receive a personal rejection, rather than a form rejection, how would you want to receive the news? Do you want the editor to be blunt and straightforward about the reason your submission was rejected? Or would you rather they soften the blow a little?

 

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It's a rejection either way. I don't need them to tell me but you're a unique and special individual. Just give me why you didn't like it, and if you have something you DID like, tell me that too. The adverbs were a little much, I mean, there were three per sentence, but the good news is you have a really great use of periods. Keep trying!
 

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Just honest.

Without sugarcoating but also without being abusive.

One agent didn't like the fact that I started a sentence with a participial phrase (twice, in 10 pages). Oh well, at least she was honest about what she thought was "poor writing." But I'd prefer them to be specific, instead of "this is a piece of crap." A rejection is still a rejection, but knowing exactly what they don't like is far better than just a blanket "it sucks" comment.
 
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I want the truth. Give me something I can fix and I know I can do it.
 

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The truth even if it's not pleasant. My writing isn't going to improve with:

"You have talent but this isn't for us."

I want to know where they thought I went wrong.
 

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They can rip my flesh from my bones if that is their style. Either way, it's a rejection. Doesn't matter how it's delivered.
 

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I want to know why it was rejected. It's frustrating to get a pleasant rejection that states "I encourage you to submit again" with no indication of "why" my initial submission was rejected.
 

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I want to know why it was rejected. It's frustrating to get a pleasant rejection that states "I encourage you to submit again" with no indication of "why" my initial submission was rejected.

A lot of times it's just that the ms. is not right for them. Nothing more, and nothing personal. They're looking for specific things (say, they have a slot open and they want to rep a mystery). We have to realize that it's not just about the story or the writing, but about whether there's a good fit.

Still, yeah, a brief explanation such as "currently we're only look for vampire erotica" would be very helpful. Then again, a rejection is a rejection, so they really don't owe us an explanation...

Also, don't forget, agents and editors get mss. all the time. And I'm sure they get the "what do you mean I need to pay attention to my POVs and dialogue? My ms. is perfect!" nutjobs. My editor told me she got these nasty rebuttals all the time, so eventually she stopped offering feedbacks altogether.
 
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If I'm getting a personal rejection then something constructive about why it got rejected would help (if it got rejected because something about the writing quality put them off). If it's just that it's a bad fit, then I don't really need a personal rejection.
 

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If you're to receive a personal rejection, rather than a form rejection, how would you want to receive the news?

Depends. If he's telling me to fix something that might make the manuscript saleable to him afterward, then I'd like details. If he just didn't care all that much for the story, then "No thanks" is perfectly okay.

Once upon a time, I wrote a story that had to do with global warming and the deterioration of the ozone layer. The editor rejected it. He said in his letter that the writing was great, and he liked the character, but he just couldn't believe in such a silly idea as global warming. So should I rewrite it, or just hope the next editor isn't of the same mind? Hard to tell.

Another time, an editor said a story I'd submitted was too bloody for his taste, and if I could clean that up, he'd like to see it again. I did, he looked, it was published. That time, the details made a difference.
 

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That's a good question right now.
I want to know why it was rejected. It's frustrating to get a pleasant rejection that states "I encourage you to submit again" with no indication of "why" my initial submission was rejected.

The "I encourage you to submit again" would most likely be a form rejection and, honestly, having sat on the other side of a desk in a small way for half a year now, I understand more why form rejections are used. It's largely a time management issue, but there's also a slight element that sometimes, a story just isn't what you're looking for. There's nothing really wrong or really right about it. It just didn't stand out one way or the other -- which is both a good thing (it didn't suck and won't become a horror story later on) but also a bad thing (it lacked that certain 'spark' that catches the editor's eye.) In these cases, there's just really not a whole lot to say about most of the stories that cross the desk. They just are what they are.
 

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I agree with everyone else on the personal rejection front. If it's personalized, I'd like to know what was objectionable (if anything) so that I can assess whether I might want to fix it.

Form responses are completely understandable, but still make me boo.
 

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I would want the truth without the abuse. It's really not hard to think of something constructive to say without the hint of, "OMG, this is pure shit and will never sell. I'll be laughed out of the business." Give me something I can work with. I'm eager to learn and I mean that sincerely.
 

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I think honesty with constructive criticism would be best. I think telling someone "That was crap." is very general. Tell me how I can improve!!
 

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I finally got a nice personal rejection from an e-publisher. Even though it was still a rejection, she pointed out I had a couple of POV problems and a coincidence I'd written in was a little too "convienent" and didn't work for her. It hurt because I still wasn't good enough but it gave me something specific to work on. I really appreciated the time she took to give me that advice.
 

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I agree with the general consensus. If the editor/agent is going to take the time to send a personalized rejection -- which I would be honoured to receive no matter what its content -- it would be wonderful to hear the truth about why my story was being rejected.

And yes, without the Simon Cowell style nastiness unless I did something to deserve it like not following the submission guidelines to the letter. ;)
 

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Rejection

It's really not hard to think of something constructive to say without the hint of, "OMG, this is pure shit and will never sell. I'll be laughed out of the business." .

Actually, when you're wading through a slush pile, sometimes it's very, very difficult to say something this nice, which is why you use form rejections.
 

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I want the honest, blunt truth every time. This I can fix. No one can fix phony reasons, and no one can fix nice but dishonest.
 

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I'm in the camp with those who want to know. I had one very lengthy personal rejection (ouch) that pointed out things I hadn't even thought of. It stung at first, but then, when I hit the bottom, the editor had also listed what she liked about it and encouraged me to resubmit. It was so much better than the vague (altho understandable) it's not right for us.
 

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At this point in my career I want the truth, preferably with a constructive suggestion. Don't bother to sugarcoat it, but don't be unnecessarily nasty either. I know I can write. I've been published a lot. A truthful rejection isn't going to crush me. However, early in my career, I think a general rejection might have been better because it would have given me less to obsess about. Now I limit my obsessing to 2 hours and one grande non-fat latte.

However, a rejection is still a rejection. The best one I ever got was a handwritten note on a piece of creative nonfiction that said "Three of us in the office loved this story. The publisher refuses to use it because he thinks it makes rural South Carolina look backward. We think you should send it to" and then they named 3 other publications, one of which eventually did publish the piece. The point is that there are a million reasons for rejection, including unwittingly hitting the publisher's pet peeve. Sometimes it's good to know, and sometimes it just makes you smack you head against a wall.
 

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I used to enjoy a personal rejection that detailed what the editor liked and didn't like about the piece, perhaps with helpful hints on how to improve. Now I'm at the point where I'm not interested in anything past either "No thanks" or "We love it. Where can we send the check?"
 

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I'd give anything for the honest, plain truth. No sugar coating necessary, but you can leave the American Idol comments at home. If it was boring, I want to know. If the characters were dull, tell me. If the technical aspects of my writing suc, it would help me to hear that.

These vague forms we all get do nothing. Absolutely nothing. I understand why they're used, but crap.
 

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I'm also going to say straight-forward truth. Sugarcoating won't help you improve.

But I will say this: Everyone is going to say they want to know how to make it better, that they have open minds and can take criticism, but for how many is that actually true?

"They think this character is weak?!? The idiots wouldn't know a complex character if it punched them in the face! They're just a bunch of English majors who couldn't finish their own novels and so they reject others!"

I feel like that reaction (at least initially) is much more common than "Hmmm, perhaps they're right. These characters could use a little more depth."

Maybe I'm wrong :)
 

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I must say personalized rejection with suggestions are really nice. Whether you agree or not, it's good to know what exactly it was that prevented you from being accepted by this agent/publication. And when they say "oh, but you can write," it's really nice to hear even though it's a rejection. I had a rejection from an editor who said that he loved the story but thought the ending was more of a revelation than a resolution, so he had to pass. That was a nice letter, and in fact, I agreed with him so I tweaked the ending and sold the piece later.
 
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