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Don't get me wrong; i love both sci-fi and fantasy fiction. But am I the only one that gets the feel some people think fantasy/science fiction is, well, degrading?
Maybe its just a security issue. But sometimes i feel like people will look down on me because I'm into 'wierd stuff', nothing serious.

"Yeah, I'm into historical fiction, you know, WWII, Hitler, all those wars. You?"
"Science-fiction."
"Oh. Like, made-up."
"Yeah...so?"
"I guess if you don't like serious fiction..."

Am I the only one getting this vibe?
 

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I always see this when I talk about Dragons and things, people often say,
"But Dragons and like... aliens and robots aren't even real! Why are Nerds into all this weird stuff?" Yet these are people who were talking none stop about Lord of the Rings when it first came out.
 

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Everybody likes to look down on someone. There's an inner elitist in everyone, but many people also choose not to project their judgements onto others.

I know I do it - I sigh whenever someone deifies an author that I find to be simplisitic, annoying, repetitive or boring. And having read that author, I know I can make a judgement, so it's hard not to be a dick about it. If given an opportunity, I've steered some folks onto better books - often total strangers browsing in B&N.
 

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Looking down

Why would you care what such people say? Chalk them up to having the IQ of a potted plant, and go be happy.
 

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Some people think anyone who writes fiction of any kind aren't living in reality -- genre doesn't matter. Write what you love and don't worry about what others think.
 

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I really hate how fans of Literary fiction look down on other forms of fiction. Guess what, I read Ralph Elisions "Invisible Man" and I walked out thinking: this book is about perceptions, and how perceptions of someone forces that person to act in a way contrary to his inner nature.

A few weeks earlier I had read "For the Emperor" and I walked away thinking: This book is about perceptions, and how perceptions of someone forces that person to act in a way contrary to his inner nature. But it's also got lots of exciting laser gun battles, horrible aliens, a witty hero with a chainsaw sword and a very nice hat.

Now which book would I rather read and re-read? For the Emperor. More exciting, better, more interesting characters and less literary fluff that makes books like Invisible Man a "classic". But "For the Emperor" got a lot of really neat ideas in it about cowardice, bravery and tolerance...and it's a cheap, dime store, pulp fiction novel based off a table top war game!

What gives?

NOTE: Not all fans of Literary Fiction look down on other forms of fiction. Just the really annoying ones.
 

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I get that too. People seem to believe that just because there's aliens or dragons, it's stuff for kids. My dad calls it "my Power Rangers stuff" *sigh* .

"Ender's Game" is anything BUT Power Rangers.
 

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Sure, there are lots of people who think science fiction and fantasy (and particularly fantasy) are lesser genres. So what? Those of us who read and write fantasy know differently. If it's what you love, who cares?
 

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The low-class image of science fiction -- "that crazy Buck Rogers stuff" -- was a lot more prevalent back before the first lunar landing. One science fiction club fan I knew was fond of telling people, "We're the ones who believe man will someday walk on the moon." The other guy would shrug and say, "Big deal; people did walk on the moon." To which the SF fan would say, "Yeah, but we've been believing it since the 'thirties." I think it was Star Trek and Star Wars which really brought SF closer to mainstream. So, if anyone asks what you write, tell him you're hoping to sell a sci-fi screenplay to TV.
 

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Who cares? Honestly, what's the point? Just get on with it and let them be.
 

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People still read Edgar Rice Burroughs for kicks. Very few of his literary contemporaries are still read for actual pleasure (rather than intellectual interest).
 

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Try being a romance writer. You'll LONG for the SF comments... :(

romance is frakkin hard to write. i couldn't do it without a lot of tequila and a battalion of ruthless beta readers.

people say stupid things all the time, and looking down on us humble genre writers is one of them. however, how many times have we said something ignorant about someone else's career?

(oh, so you're a bassist? an electric bassist? what not pretty enough to play guitar?)
 

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All stories are made up. Science Fiction and Fantasy writers have the added burden of "making up" their entire universe, as well. So take pride in your ability as a builder of worlds and ignore their implied insult.
 

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I am unabashed in my nerdliness. I'll cop to having played Dungeons and Dragons. It was fun! If anyone is looking down on me for being low brow, that's their hang up not mine. I'll take Bradbury over Henry James any day.
 

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I am unabashed in my nerdliness. I'll cop to having played Dungeons and Dragons. It was fun! If anyone is looking down on me for being low brow, that's their hang up not mine. I'll take Bradbury over Henry James any day.


Ha I'll one up you! I played D&D last night. (Yes I'm over 30)

In my writer's critique group there is one gal who hates fiction in general. She thinks it's boring and pointless. So when she tells me that she doesn't think I wrote a story because it was just a vampire killing his old girlfriend and by the way, the title doesn't make sense, why call that temptation....

Well. She's good for grammer, but not so much for story. Others had more constructive criticism...my transitons need work. The main character does not show enough emotion to warrent his waffling at turning the girl etc.

That I can work with.
 

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Nope, you're not the only one. But it's not your problem, ya see. It's their problem for looking down on you.

We write fantasy and SF because we have too much imagination to be constrained by reality. They don't "get it" because they don't have the same fabulous powers of imagination. See now? It's their problem and they're just taking it out on you. Feel better? :D
 

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Everybody likes to look down on someone. There's an inner elitist in everyone, but many people also choose not to project their judgements onto others.

Absolutely right... Meaning the distinctions between genre fiction and mainstream fiction hardly matter when it comes to the elitist posing. Within mainstream fiction, you'll have someone look down their nose at, oh, say, an author of thrillers as opposed to someone who writes stuff for the New Yorker. Readers of the romantic novels on the mainstream fiction shelves might likewise dismiss those on the shelves labeled Romance, although what little I've read in my wife's bathroom collection (Nora Roberts is the only name springing to mind) reads at the same pace and level of crisp pose as most any thriller does.

We could weigh in the higher calling of contributing something memorable to the world's literature, but not without getting into the kind of b.s. territory the original post did not address. The genre of one's fiction does not dictate this kind of quality.

The mainstream fiction shelves at B&N puzzle me. All of Vonnegut's work, the bulk of which is soft sci-fi, is in the general fiction section but not F/SF. There are a few other examples (Christopher Buckley's sf satires are all that comes to mind just now). And of course all the thrillers and horror novels are absorbed into the mainstream fiction aisles, which is funny too. Many of them, especially the likes of Stephen King, cross over into F/SF more often than they don't. Fine as all these authors are, I can only chalk up the category mixups to artificial prestige. I find myself wishing that these works were "ghettoized" into separate sf/f and/or horror/thriller aisles at least for my own convenience.

That having been said, knowing how much (if not most) of the world's greatest literature throughout history has incorporated myth, fantasy and science fiction in various mixes in the attempt to better capture the human experience through words, we all know that someone who disparages SF/F based on genre alone is hardly the literate person they're posing to be. I only wish it didn't matter, as some would suggest. Trouble is, as long as there is any commercial or marketing difference, moronic impressions of genre fiction can negatively impact writers of this material.
 

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Sometimes I look down on myself, honestly. Sometimes I feel sub-par for not writing literary fiction. Sometimes I feel that I would be taken more seriously by non-writers if I wrote literary fiction, because then at least it would be realistic. Then I go see the new Ninja Turtles movie with my little brother or go to a Renaissance Faire or re-read a favorite Robert Howard Conan story, and then I'm reminded that all that stuff is way more fun than twelve pages about the smell of a coffee shop or how a scorned and jaded woman is like a cold wash cloth.

Not that I couldn't write twelve pages about how a scorned or jaded woman is like a cold wash cloth, and I can just do it in between writing sword-fights and excursions into a dragon's lair.
 

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Every group does the in-group vs. out-group. There's someone who looks down on any genre you can name including literary fiction. As has been said before it doesn't matter.

If it catches my interest I'll pick it up, if it holds it I'll read it. People who look down on what you write aren't your target market so that's ok. They have Eric Frank Russell's "Basic Right" too.

Both the reader and writer make choices about what they read or write and then live with the consequences of that decision.

:)
 

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Am I the only one getting this vibe?

Hell no! I even get it from my dad, and most of my sci fi and fantasy books came from him (the one good thing about my parents' divorce was I got custody of the books :D ).

The thing is, why care what other people think? I get funny looks from people when I write on the bus, and they can't even see my genre of choice. There will alway be snobbery between factions, be it favourite TV series, writing genres, geek hobbies.... Everyone likes to have an outsider they can point and laugh at.

Remember: you are a unique and beautiful snowflake..... ;)
 
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