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Re: Marky's Back?
I'm certain that the reason Marky's manuscripts were rejected by PA was that by then he'd made himself more trouble to them than the average author they print. There are only so many hours in a day; they have more manuscripts sitting on their desks than they can pour into their templates with the staff they have. Why print a second book by someone who's given you trouble already? It isn't going to sell better (or worse) than any other manuscript they have on hand.
I'm certain that the reason Marky's manuscripts were rejected by PA was that by then he'd made himself more trouble to them than the average author they print. There are only so many hours in a day; they have more manuscripts sitting on their desks than they can pour into their templates with the staff they have. Why print a second book by someone who's given you trouble already? It isn't going to sell better (or worse) than any other manuscript they have on hand.
Re: *yawn*
FEMazur, where can I read some of your works? Hapi, same question.
Private email if you like.
FEMazur, where can I read some of your works? Hapi, same question.
Private email if you like.
Re: *yawn*
FE posted on the announcements board about his books. Here's a link to an excerpt of one.
www.amazon.com/exec/obido...vi=excerpt
FE posted on the announcements board about his books. Here's a link to an excerpt of one.
www.amazon.com/exec/obido...vi=excerpt
Re: *yawn*
James D. Macdonald, I'm afraid I'm going to have to apologize for not referring you to other specimens of my writing.
In the discussions on this board, I've never once claimed to be anyone I'm not. Still, by now it will have occurred to most of you that "HapiSofi" isn't my real name. I have a perfectly good real name, but if I used it here, I'd be far more limited in my ability to say useful things about writing and publishing. I can't refer you to more of my writing without outing myself.
Since I'm not giving further specifics, I don't necessarily expect you all to believe the claims I'm about to make, but I've written an award-nominated nonfiction book that's about to be published in its third edition by a small but entirely respectable publisher, and my online journalism is read by about 30,000 readers a month.
James D. Macdonald, I'm afraid I'm going to have to apologize for not referring you to other specimens of my writing.
In the discussions on this board, I've never once claimed to be anyone I'm not. Still, by now it will have occurred to most of you that "HapiSofi" isn't my real name. I have a perfectly good real name, but if I used it here, I'd be far more limited in my ability to say useful things about writing and publishing. I can't refer you to more of my writing without outing myself.
Since I'm not giving further specifics, I don't necessarily expect you all to believe the claims I'm about to make, but I've written an award-nominated nonfiction book that's about to be published in its third edition by a small but entirely respectable publisher, and my online journalism is read by about 30,000 readers a month.
Let me get this straight
Please see the Take It Outside Board to see my defense of this (again) blatant attack on me by Mr. K.
Canada James
Please see the Take It Outside Board to see my defense of this (again) blatant attack on me by Mr. K.
Canada James
anonymity
Hapi,
I don't have a problem with anonymous postings. That is the nature of the Web.
I also believe in the privilege of building credibility based on our fellow Board participants not on overblown resumes. I have seen the comers and goers shoving their perception of their perfect selves down our throats. So you only have to impress us with the here and now of the subjects at hand.
I admit that it is impressive to be on the third printing of a book and the readership of 30,000, very nice!
Say, unless you are on your third appeal and the 30,000 readers are because you write the prison menu……….
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Hapi,
I don't have a problem with anonymous postings. That is the nature of the Web.
I also believe in the privilege of building credibility based on our fellow Board participants not on overblown resumes. I have seen the comers and goers shoving their perception of their perfect selves down our throats. So you only have to impress us with the here and now of the subjects at hand.
I admit that it is impressive to be on the third printing of a book and the readership of 30,000, very nice!
Say, unless you are on your third appeal and the 30,000 readers are because you write the prison menu……….
rt
Re: *yawn*
"In the discussions on this board, I've never once claimed to be anyone I'm not. Still, by now it will have occurred to most of you that "HapiSofi" isn't my real name. I have a perfectly good real name, but if I used it here, I'd be far more limited in my ability to say useful things about writing and publishing. I can't refer you to more of my writing without outing myself."
James Mac. won't divulge any information on this board than you want him to. He doesn't feel that because your name appears in print elsewhere on the web that you aren't entitled to anonymity where you want it.
"I don't necessarily expect you all to believe the claims I'm about to make, but I've written an award-nominated nonfiction book that's about to be published in its third edition by a small but entirely respectable publisher, and my online journalism is read by about 30,000 readers a month."
If it's the truth it won't need me to believe you. But personally, I'm sceptical. No offence. However, let a trusted third-party verify you (James Mac.) and I'll certainly trust him. He has earned it.
Canada James
"In the discussions on this board, I've never once claimed to be anyone I'm not. Still, by now it will have occurred to most of you that "HapiSofi" isn't my real name. I have a perfectly good real name, but if I used it here, I'd be far more limited in my ability to say useful things about writing and publishing. I can't refer you to more of my writing without outing myself."
James Mac. won't divulge any information on this board than you want him to. He doesn't feel that because your name appears in print elsewhere on the web that you aren't entitled to anonymity where you want it.
"I don't necessarily expect you all to believe the claims I'm about to make, but I've written an award-nominated nonfiction book that's about to be published in its third edition by a small but entirely respectable publisher, and my online journalism is read by about 30,000 readers a month."
If it's the truth it won't need me to believe you. But personally, I'm sceptical. No offence. However, let a trusted third-party verify you (James Mac.) and I'll certainly trust him. He has earned it.
Canada James
Re: Did PublishAmerica reject your manuscript?
Finerthings & Marky are not (and have never been) the same person--unless Marky truly was schizophrenic. James and Jen, I applaud you for having a well-developed grasp of what should have been straight forward logic.
I choose to remain anonymous to avoid the nastiness I have seen in this forum. :b lack eye
For background however, I am male, have two books coming out in 2005 from a e/trade publisher (who is so small, that I am guessing that even I could afford to carpet their office). I have a submission in with PA currently--and the reason for that is the book is so obscure and dark (imagine Stephen King writing while on morphine after his accident and that is still too light) that I do not think there is a commercial market for it, but I still want a nice copy for the records.
So I am a new chum--hardly term myself a writer yet--but I am trying!
The reason I got a little acidic on the whole PA thing was I was getting a bit jaundiced by seeing it dominating every forum. Perhaps the wonderful Jen (who is gorgeous as well as talented--stand back all and smell the roses sometimes or 'there are more things than are dreamed off in your philosophy Horatio') may want to establish a new forum just for PA comments. That way all the aggressive hippos could happily wallow in the mud without getting the rest of us wet.
Seriously, I don't mind the debate but when we see writers directly trying to hurt each other (or each other's reputation) that is sad. To the person (only for example) who is running round banging every PA author with a bad review on Amazon--that is truly pathetic. Attack the publisher, don't blame the poor sod who fell for the pitch.
To the experts in our dysfunctional little family, I thank you for the information--it does help. To those who just want to spew bile--as we say where I come from, go for your life!
Please let's shoot the bad guys, but try and not hurt as many innocent bystanders as we can. And now as one of our wittier contributors has signed off before...'now back to the regular programming.'
:eek
Finerthings & Marky are not (and have never been) the same person--unless Marky truly was schizophrenic. James and Jen, I applaud you for having a well-developed grasp of what should have been straight forward logic.
I choose to remain anonymous to avoid the nastiness I have seen in this forum. :b lack eye
For background however, I am male, have two books coming out in 2005 from a e/trade publisher (who is so small, that I am guessing that even I could afford to carpet their office). I have a submission in with PA currently--and the reason for that is the book is so obscure and dark (imagine Stephen King writing while on morphine after his accident and that is still too light) that I do not think there is a commercial market for it, but I still want a nice copy for the records.
So I am a new chum--hardly term myself a writer yet--but I am trying!
The reason I got a little acidic on the whole PA thing was I was getting a bit jaundiced by seeing it dominating every forum. Perhaps the wonderful Jen (who is gorgeous as well as talented--stand back all and smell the roses sometimes or 'there are more things than are dreamed off in your philosophy Horatio') may want to establish a new forum just for PA comments. That way all the aggressive hippos could happily wallow in the mud without getting the rest of us wet.
Seriously, I don't mind the debate but when we see writers directly trying to hurt each other (or each other's reputation) that is sad. To the person (only for example) who is running round banging every PA author with a bad review on Amazon--that is truly pathetic. Attack the publisher, don't blame the poor sod who fell for the pitch.
To the experts in our dysfunctional little family, I thank you for the information--it does help. To those who just want to spew bile--as we say where I come from, go for your life!
Please let's shoot the bad guys, but try and not hurt as many innocent bystanders as we can. And now as one of our wittier contributors has signed off before...'now back to the regular programming.'
:eek
Re: Did PublishAmerica reject your manuscript?
"...the reason for that is the book is so obscure and dark (imagine Stephen King writing while on morphine after his accident and that is still too light) that I do not think there is a commercial market for it ..."
Don't reject your own work. That's the editor's job. How do you know it isn't commercially publishable if you don't let a commercial publisher see it?
"...the reason for that is the book is so obscure and dark (imagine Stephen King writing while on morphine after his accident and that is still too light) that I do not think there is a commercial market for it ..."
Don't reject your own work. That's the editor's job. How do you know it isn't commercially publishable if you don't let a commercial publisher see it?
WD considers PA books self-published
I read in another message board that PA books are eligible for Writer's Digest magazine's SELF-PUBLISHED Book Award contest. I e-mailed Writer's Digest and they confirmed it. :rollin
Anyway, although the deadline has passed, the lady I e-mailed said if the entry arrived by Jan. 5, they'd still accept it. So, if any PA authors (I'm not) are interested, here's a chance to win an award.
DC
P.S. This is my first post, but I've been lurking here forever. Coming out of lurk to say hi
I read in another message board that PA books are eligible for Writer's Digest magazine's SELF-PUBLISHED Book Award contest. I e-mailed Writer's Digest and they confirmed it. :rollin
Anyway, although the deadline has passed, the lady I e-mailed said if the entry arrived by Jan. 5, they'd still accept it. So, if any PA authors (I'm not) are interested, here's a chance to win an award.
DC
P.S. This is my first post, but I've been lurking here forever. Coming out of lurk to say hi
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
but, by winning and accepting an award of that nature, an author would admit that PA is a self-publisher. i'm betting they wouldn't list that award on their website..or if they they do, they'd say that such-and-such an author won a best book award from WD.
but, by winning and accepting an award of that nature, an author would admit that PA is a self-publisher. i'm betting they wouldn't list that award on their website..or if they they do, they'd say that such-and-such an author won a best book award from WD.
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
Wow, interesting, DC! And welcome. Glad you came out of lurkdom.
Wow, interesting, DC! And welcome. Glad you came out of lurkdom.
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
Jenna--
As Editor-in-Chief of this site, I expect more objectivity in your response to posts: "Wow...." doesn't do it.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that you're a fan of all that propaganda Fox shovels out each day as news.
Here's what Dragon Chow should have written for starters (the names and sites are fictitious):
"On allthereistolifechat.com under a thread entitled 'Awards' and in a post by 'StoppedUp,' I read where PA books can be entered into a Writer's Digest Self-Publishing Contest. I wrote WD to inquire if this were true and received the following e-mail on December ??, 2003, from Ms. Walmsley. She stated the following, and I quote: "yada, yada, yada, etc."
My own e-mail to confirm or deny this was answered with an autoreply stating the person would be out of the office until after the new year.
Jenna--
As Editor-in-Chief of this site, I expect more objectivity in your response to posts: "Wow...." doesn't do it.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that you're a fan of all that propaganda Fox shovels out each day as news.
Here's what Dragon Chow should have written for starters (the names and sites are fictitious):
"On allthereistolifechat.com under a thread entitled 'Awards' and in a post by 'StoppedUp,' I read where PA books can be entered into a Writer's Digest Self-Publishing Contest. I wrote WD to inquire if this were true and received the following e-mail on December ??, 2003, from Ms. Walmsley. She stated the following, and I quote: "yada, yada, yada, etc."
My own e-mail to confirm or deny this was answered with an autoreply stating the person would be out of the office until after the new year.
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
Jenna is aware that this site doesn't service the general PA author pool, thus -- wow -- and -- interesting -- are about all anyone passing by are going to respond. Those who find it worth more than wow can (as you did) email themselves. If they find the answer is not readily available (as you did) -- the INTERESTED party could ask DC if she/he can offer more information and sources.
So...the appropriate response would have been to ask for more information of DC if you were interested -- not berate or insult Jenna for not interrogating someone bringing for information of only mild interest to the general readership of this board. The board for berating and insulting is labelled "Take it Outside" -- this is one of the boards that's meant for the professionals and grown-ups.
Gran
Jenna is aware that this site doesn't service the general PA author pool, thus -- wow -- and -- interesting -- are about all anyone passing by are going to respond. Those who find it worth more than wow can (as you did) email themselves. If they find the answer is not readily available (as you did) -- the INTERESTED party could ask DC if she/he can offer more information and sources.
So...the appropriate response would have been to ask for more information of DC if you were interested -- not berate or insult Jenna for not interrogating someone bringing for information of only mild interest to the general readership of this board. The board for berating and insulting is labelled "Take it Outside" -- this is one of the boards that's meant for the professionals and grown-ups.
Gran
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
Yeah, I got the same (out of office) reply at first, then another person (an assistant editor) came back with a reply. I'd be happy to forward that e-mail to you and anyone else who wants it. I didn't post it here, because, although I got her permission to forward the e-mail, I wasn't sure if it'd be appropriate to post it in a public forum like this.
DC
Yeah, I got the same (out of office) reply at first, then another person (an assistant editor) came back with a reply. I'd be happy to forward that e-mail to you and anyone else who wants it. I didn't post it here, because, although I got her permission to forward the e-mail, I wasn't sure if it'd be appropriate to post it in a public forum like this.
DC
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
Thanks, Granny. FEM: because I'm the editor, you expect "objectivity" on all posts? Huh? First of all, "wow" and "interesting" don't express any opinion at all aside from "I find that interesting," and second, if I had an opinion, I'd be happy to express it. My function on this board is not investigative journalist, disinterested third party, nor judge.
Further, FEM, I do NOT want people quoting letters from WD or anywhere else without the writer's permission. You want to investigate? Feel free.
*Disclaimer: All of Jenna's posts from here on in are subjective. If you don't like that, feel free to avert your eyes.
Thanks, Granny. FEM: because I'm the editor, you expect "objectivity" on all posts? Huh? First of all, "wow" and "interesting" don't express any opinion at all aside from "I find that interesting," and second, if I had an opinion, I'd be happy to express it. My function on this board is not investigative journalist, disinterested third party, nor judge.
Further, FEM, I do NOT want people quoting letters from WD or anywhere else without the writer's permission. You want to investigate? Feel free.
*Disclaimer: All of Jenna's posts from here on in are subjective. If you don't like that, feel free to avert your eyes.
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
I have a personal interest in PA. Not positive or negative but I was wondering what you all have against it and why?
I am not affiliated with PA in anyway. I'm just curious as a former employee of a person who works with PA.
I have a personal interest in PA. Not positive or negative but I was wondering what you all have against it and why?
I am not affiliated with PA in anyway. I'm just curious as a former employee of a person who works with PA.
Re: WD considers PA books self-published
What do we have against them?
PA is a vanity press that lies about itself, pretending to be a legitimate press.
Whatever business they're in, regardless of what they tell the people they've suckered, they aren't in the business of selling books to the general public. They're in the business of selling unedited slush, at full price, to their own authors.
What do we have against them?
PA is a vanity press that lies about itself, pretending to be a legitimate press.
Whatever business they're in, regardless of what they tell the people they've suckered, they aren't in the business of selling books to the general public. They're in the business of selling unedited slush, at full price, to their own authors.
Re: *yawn*
HapiSofi, although not best known as an author, is a publishing professional who has in fact been traditionally published.
HapiSofi, although not best known as an author, is a publishing professional who has in fact been traditionally published.
Re: *yawn*
Hi Zunus,
James M. put it quite succinctly. I would add that the main reason I oppose them is that they break writers' hearts. Not-particularly-publishing-savvy writers believe PA's claims that their books will appear in bookstores, get requested by celebrities, and be treated as traditionally published. They believe that PA is "taking a chance on them" and "believing in them." And PA has tried to build up a cult-like mentality that everyone in the world (especially traditionally-published authors), aside from the valiant PA, are part of a vast conspiracy to keep unpublished writers down.
If you want more, there are literally hundreds of posts about PA on both this board and the Take it Outside board (further down the page on the list of forums).
Hi Zunus,
James M. put it quite succinctly. I would add that the main reason I oppose them is that they break writers' hearts. Not-particularly-publishing-savvy writers believe PA's claims that their books will appear in bookstores, get requested by celebrities, and be treated as traditionally published. They believe that PA is "taking a chance on them" and "believing in them." And PA has tried to build up a cult-like mentality that everyone in the world (especially traditionally-published authors), aside from the valiant PA, are part of a vast conspiracy to keep unpublished writers down.
If you want more, there are literally hundreds of posts about PA on both this board and the Take it Outside board (further down the page on the list of forums).
Re: *yawn*
not to mention, check the PA boards as well, and see the excitement over the famous "dollar" that everyone gets in the mail.
not to mention, check the PA boards as well, and see the excitement over the famous "dollar" that everyone gets in the mail.
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