Top Five Ways to Ensure Your Screenplay Never Sells

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Would be funny if not so sad!

Do some math. If thousands upon thousands of scripts are presented annualy, let's pretend those who select the "best" ones really know
what they are doing and actually green-light the best of the bunch.

Now, consider how many crappy movies are made each year. If what we
see at the cine represents the best, think how bad the ones that were
not selected must be! Yikes.
 

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Excellent advice in that article, which I endorse wholeheartedly! Let's break the rools, baby!

The world is full of people with bad taste (i.e. whose tastes don't coincide exactly with mine) and in this respect the filmmakers in Hollywood are no different from anyone else, I should imagine. If they knew what they were doing, every film would be excellent!

-Derek
 

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Would be funny if not so sad!

. . . let's pretend those who select the "best" [screenplays] really know
what they are doing and actually green-light the best of the bunch.

Now, consider how many crappy movies are made each year. If what we
see at the cine represents the best, think how bad the ones that were
not selected must be! Yikes.

Interesting observation. But who is at fault, who is responsible for the production of so many crappy movies? Were the screenplays that were selected crappy? Or were good screenplays ruined by production companies that modified the screenwriters original vision?
 

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"But who is at fault, who is responsible for the production of so many crappy movies?"

The people who buy tickets to the dogs, day after day, year after year ( and
blow a weeks wages on popcorn and a Coke). As long as the gate is
measured in millions, the dogs will keep coming.

Is there another business where quality of product is so un-important?

"It's only sad if you're one of those writing really bad ones."

Alas, I am one of those. One option in eight years, and no advancement beyond that. A death wish.
 

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I don't like the numbers game. Success seems to come down to finding someone who likes your story and wants to make your film. Forget numbers: it's about people.:D
 

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"But who is at fault, who is responsible for the production of so many crappy movies?"

The people who buy tickets to the dogs, day after day, year after year ( and
blow a weeks wages on popcorn and a Coke). As long as the gate is
measured in millions, the dogs will keep coming.

Is there another business where quality of product is so un-important?

"It's only sad if you're one of those writing really bad ones."

Alas, I am one of those. One option in eight years, and no advancement beyond that. A death wish.

Bison - I'm assuming here that your option has expired? I'd hawk it around if it has: someone else optioned it, maybe it just wasn't the right time etc and maybe it'll be an easier sell now?
 

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Write new, better stuff.

I don't think the numbers mean anything other than you are either on one side or the other. Where you fall is up to you. Either your work is good enough or isn't. If it isn't, work harder. If it is, keep pitching and writing new and better stuff.

The only other option is to quit, so in the end, numbers really mean nothing.
 

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"Bison - I'm assuming here that your option has expired? I'd hawk it around if it has: someone else optioned it, maybe it just wasn't the right time etc and maybe it'll be an easier sell now?"

It was picked up the second time. I pulled in on the third. I'm sure I was the
naive victim of a shark trolling, not someone connected. I'm hawking, I'm hawking!

"Either your work is good enough or isn't. If it isn't, work harder. If it is, keep pitching and writing new and better stuff.

The only other option is to quit, so in the end, numbers really mean nothing."

Quitting is not an option for me. Good enough or it isn't! Hmmm.That's true in the mind of the one reading the script. Unfortunately, that's the one that counts.
The deal is not if it's good or bad, it's can I make money with it at this point in time! If one has any talent at all, one still must be in the right place at the right time. That's the main reason I wasn't emperor of Rome, by the way.
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That's true bison but to a small degree being able to make money is an indicator of quality. An unreadable unformated script is not sellable, thus has no quality.

I'm not saying the best scripts always get made simply because they may not have the market appeal, but those that do pretty good are generally pretty good scripts with either wide market appeal, fantastic characters, fantastic storyline, whatever it is, it catches the public's attention and flies. (Or in Lucas' case, has the best graphics. :D)
 

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Ice,

I really appreciate this thread. My re-write, I hope, is finished. I want to give it another through read before declaring it done (until the next rewrite).

Months ago, I noticed this Plot Structure graph, which seemed too pat for me at the time, on a website. It's M. Hauge's idea.

I write three act format with outlines, start with notes and form a treatment, all hand-written. Normally I handwrite the first draft, at least a good piece of it. Hauge's structure kept nagging at me, then comes your post--the structure point stood out in lights.

So, sweating, I apply Mr. Hauge's six stages to my screenplay and, glory of glories, I hit every point but one dead on the nose. I'm still smiling. I think I'll use his "six stages" right after my outlining in all future screenplays.
 

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I love those points Joe. When the structure appears without thought in your story and it is just complete. You focus on writing a good story and when you hit it, if you look closer, the structure is there.
 

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Got lucky or is it knowing from all the script reading, movie watching, etc. over the years?

No matter, M. Hauge's structure helps, if only to ensure you cross all the t's. It's located in Dpat's first sticky, "Screenwriting Tips", although it is a prominent screenplay site because I (computer moron) found it months ago before I joined AWWC.

Sorry, but I'm sort walking on clouds right now. I know this screenplay works, I know it's marketable and viable, and now I know no huge structure flaws exist. Pretty darn comforting.
 

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I believe luck has nothing to do with it.

The more you work on it, the more ingrained it becomes.

It becomes second nature, your stories begin to flow in that way naturally because you become used to telling a story in that format.

Practice makes perfect as they say.
 
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5. Have Dclary write it.
4. Have Billy Thrilly write it.
3. Have TourDeForce team up with William Haskins and write it.
2. Have Bravo write it.

And the #1 way to ensure a screenplay never sells....drum roll....

1. Have Pen Dragon write it.
:D

(#6 was "Use three brads" of course)
 

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Oh, I never said it would sell. It's viable, I'd love to see it (Duh.)

There's still that little matter of other people liking it. Oh, and that little snag of people who matter liking it.

But, at the least, I have avoided the 5 sure ways to NOT sell.
 

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5. Have Dclary write it.
4. Have Billy Thrilly write it.
3. Have TourDeForce team up with William Haskins and write it.
2. Have Bravo write it.
And the #1 way to ensure a screenplay never sells....drum roll....
1. Have Pen Dragon write it.
Who are these people? Do they write screenplays?

-Derek
 

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#6 - Never finish it.
 

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Te he he

funny Billy.

Ice makes a great point.
When you expose yourself to the craft, to the elements of great story writing they stick in the back of your mind and you gradually begin applying them with out conscious thought.

As you get better you gain more control over them until you get to the point where you can manipulate them.

THAT is what I think seperates the true writers from the hacks or the novice.
We are just trying to get the "rules" correct and to have it work, the pros OWN the rules and make them work their way.

As to how crappy movies get made, I have two thoughts on this.
1) It's a weak story or weak writing to begin with.
Sometimes these stories get turned into tolerable movies but mostly they just stay weak. Sometimes it's a pet project of someone, other times someone took a chance on something and it just didn't really work.
But these are usually smaller movies, the big ones pretty much get it right.

2) Too many people want to mess with the story and have it fit their POV.
They cast a slightly off actor, or they make it too contraversial, or they take the drama and effects over the top, etc.


The really sad thing is, you can post lists and articles like this all day long and it won't make a dent in the bad scripts that get written and sent in.
The dream is just too fantastic and the craft isn't given the respect it deserves.

Anybody can write a movie can't they?
 

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crappy flicks

crappy movies get made because their are audiences who enjoy crap.

last year at the Oscars, Chris Rock did a little segment where he went outside a movie theater and asked people what was their favorite movie this year. it was edited for comedy but everyone's favorite movie was something like "big momma's house" or something of that quality. the segment was brilliant and those "quality" filmmakers and actors at the academy awards were forced to see that crappy movies do make money too.

there's an audience for the wide range of flicks from the lowest common denominator/mass appeal tentpole to the little indie that gets an Oscar nomination and all that stuff in between.
 

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Anybody can write a movie can't they?

Exactly. Many aren't stopping to study. They aren't reading other scripts. Because they watch movies, they can learn from movies can't they? Eh, not really. Without seeing how it's thrown together in the background how can you really take a movie and turn it to script. Yet so many haven't read a single script.

(Guilty of this when I first started.)

They haven't studied the language enough. It's a great story right? Who needs proper spelling and grammar? That doesn't matter to anyone.
(I laugh at this one especially because I wrote my first feature, Six Days, in fragments because I was picturing a director shouting these commands and that's how it should be written. Yeah...)

Three act structure, what's that? I know this was me. I had no clue about it, I just wrote stories, that was enough right? Not. Once I wrapped my mind around the concept of the three act structure, the balance and everything else, things started fitting into place and moved to a subconscious level and started getting compliments of "This has great pacing and story structure." And I would think "It does?" Because I hadn't tried to do it, it just happened.

They don't think formatting applies to them or they have a new and better system. Painfully so I've seen many writers just wing techniques, I know I've done it while I've done the research to do it right, but at first I didn't know there was a set way to do things and if you spelled it out they would get it. Yeah, no, take the time to learn techniques, not only will they make your script look crisper and more professional, you won't have the readers laughing at you as they are reading it.

And no, article links won't help those who think they don't need it - 80% of all bad scripts I would wager if not more - but I thought you guys here would get a good laugh out of it because if you are anything like me you can point back to times during your writing evolution.
 

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I believe I have now read everything on dpat's first sticky, "Tips". Jeez, that sounds terrible read out loud.

I laughed out loud when I read one agent remarking on how she discarded scripts with maps or diagrams. Then I saw the same comment by several other readers/agent/mgrs/production assistants. What? Maps?

Then I got miffed because their scripts got read, or at least requested in full.

No matter what, this forum makes your work better, if you take the advice. I read that adverbs are frowned upon in descriptions, so I checked my whole script. I had only five. I removed three. "Be" verbs are a definate no-no, so I double checked (that's normally a focus of the first rewrite) and I had three. I left one in because it made a succinct, three word defining statement. Format looks good, but I need to double-check three short action blurbs. Parentheticals are far between. This is the "work" a writer does, the first draft, often the second, even the third are normally joys to do. The thirty-ninth is grinding out details, but I still enjoy making it better.
 

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There are "Overnight" and "Nobody Wants Your Film," to mention the best and most recent, of films depicting quite clearly why crappy movies get made.

But the article was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The author is cautioning that "breaking all the rules" is as hopeless a ruse as following them (in items 1-4). So the author is satirically suggesting that NOTHING will get your screenplay read, not even breaking all the rules. I think some people will read that humorous article and actually think the author is advising his readers to break the rules. Except that he isn't advising that at all. Except that, in the end, it turns out that he is.

I agree with scripter's item No. 2: too many cooks in the kitchen. The people turning scripts into movies are talented and ambitious, but the alchemy of transposing an idea or a narration into cinema dimensions is difficult without a clear authority. (If you respect Kubrick, you can invoke his famous "one person writes a symphony, one person writes a novel, one person makes a movie.") And the Hollywood system of checks and balances ensures that projects with too much input and not enough singular vision slowly get out of kilter. But I don't think that has much to do with crappy screenplays. I'm amazed at how good a lot of ordinary TV sitcom writing can be. The crappy screenplays proliferate because they are astoundingly easy to produce. Any English major can create a perfectly polished and literate screenplay of three acts in 125 pages in one week. Or should be able to. But in my experience very few screenplay writers will a) write a novel or a major nonfiction work, b) learn a foreign language, or c) watch anywhere near the kind and quantity of movies required to ferret an original idea into an affordable production concept. (Most screenplay writers don't know the difference between Powell and Suzuki; how many of Fassbinder's 40-something movies can the screenplay writer refer to instead of "Pulp Fiction"?) Every blown-up car costs at least $8000 to produce; there are people writing low-budget screenplays with car crashes and explosions, and they have zero idea of the costs they're writing into their scripts.

I've already railed elsewhere about the pointlessness of submitting screenplays, and I won't get into it at length here, but let me tell you how my week has been, since Tuesday:

Hired to make a music video for Bjorklund/Fox and their promotion team out of New York. Impossible situation. Music vids needed for SXSW in Austin next week. I claim I can make three videos in two days and everyone snickers. We film in the Working Stage, of course I meet the owners, let them know I've got a musical, get invited to dinner, make my pitch, bingo, reasonably sure we can get something going this summer in LA. Learn a ton about theatre in Los Angeles: there are 5 to 20 legitimate stages which do not practice "showcases" for actors, wherein some tired old drivel like Glengarry Glenross is dragged before an audience of casting agents and other TV types, and I've found myself one of those theatres. There is not a single original musical playing its opening run in LA right now, or planned in the near future. There are very few original plays playing an opening run in LA, perhaps half a dozen this month, usually one-act monologues. I learn the casting companies, which charge actors cash to be in plays, are often owned by the Scientologists. Everyone from the Wall Street Journal to the Swedish press is weighing RIGHT NOW the possibility of an expose on the pay-for-play in LA and wondering just how strong a legal team the Scientologists will bring to the table. Anyway, my musical the Black Hole Buddha gets a sudden injection of new life: in 24 hours I've got three statements of financial backing from the East Coast; there is a heavyweight lawyer here who represents a platinum-haired superstar who likes the idea that this musical can be the next Rocky Horror Picture Show and can show off four young singers from a single production company, like, say, Sony. He sees the biz. For a cost of around $20,000 to mount the production, I can be reviewed in all the trades from Backstage West to the LA Weekly to the LA Times to Variety and the Hollywood Reporter, and they will honestly report what they see on stage and whether it's as good or as commercial as the producers (me) claim. The music vids go over as a charm; the 30 CDs for Austin are ready by Saturday, with snazzy print job and cool menu art, all made and edited in my studio. More business opps come from this immediately. I am enlisted to help write, produce or film a "small" movie for an aging actress better known for her roles in Bruce Willis movies; this comes out of a single conversation from an introduction made during the course of making the music vids, which I now hear the company in NYC likes: Who can make three music vids in one day? Anybody who wants to, says me. Last night, a week of hints and suggestions to an internet pin-up star coalesces into a single five-minute "pitch" where not only the story is lightly touched upon but the method and timing of contacting the distributors ahead of time is presented and I am offered on the spot more than ten grand to begin producing the first of what is hoped to be many "New Emanuelles." I cannot go the softcore route, and decline. The company is based in Monte Carlo, but I agree to consult and perhaps make another "intelligent" piece for the actress in question, who takes me aside at the end of the dinner and bluntly says even if I will not be hired I must supply the outlines of the story because they do not want to shop for the script. I laugh, maybe. Now that the musical is coming out of the closet, I contact a publisher in Washington, who is meeting tonight with a marketing director for Sundance (they may still be at dinner at Emily's List, Tuesday 7pm PST), and say I need to get a "collector's edition" out by May 1 of a story called "The Yellow Shop," to have something new in my hands when the meetings with lawyers start June 1. This is complicated by an impending series of interviews in Beirut, Amman, and Tel Aviv with a Lebanese-American marine biologist who is the subject of a book of mine called "Scuba Diving in Beirut" which will be published in ARABIC as a sort of primer for young women on how to choose rewarding professions in a world of irresponsible profit-seeking, etc., etc., etc., all bubbling this week with myriad offshoots and possibilities, to say nothing of a movie project about writers to which the Oscar nominee writer of "Monster's Ball" has agreed to participate and which I am to direct and produce and clean up after and for which I limit myself to one phone call per week because I don't want the project suddenly obliterating the creative stuff closer to my heart,

and I write all of this,

provide detail,

because not one single opportunity or spin or weaved dream mentioned in the paragraph above has come as a result of SUBMITTING anything, nor has any of the participants read a single line I've written in the past five years, and nobody cares, because the writer in Hollywood must be able to speak, must be able to inspire and convince, and I grow daily more convinced at the absolute futility of submissions of screenplays, and I hope fifty AW writers can reply and say "What a load of BS, here's the fifty grand I made on this MS I sent in six months ago like a blind rat" or "here's the movie produced from a script I submitted to Hollywood without a lawyer or agent or manager."

I think the most noble thing is to sit in a closet and write. My heroes are Camus and Orwell, and never some tinseltown hack who made a million bucks off Paramount, and I would love to write for myself and not for publication for the rest of my life, and maybe I will, but I will never fool myself into thinking that screenplays are literature or even literary, nor will I convince myself that lounging in the Hollywood swill is an adventure or an opportunity, because it is a waste of time. But to any writer who reads that article I would advise

Break all the rules
because the rules are what break you.

Even though the author of the piece says you'll never get your screenplay read by doing so, break all the rules. Three-act, 125-page screenplays sent in a manila envelope to an address culled from Writer's Digest are works of fantasy if the real intent of the writer is to know Hollywood. This seedy, desperate shithole is the best story going, still never properly captured, and to all who suffer entry Hollywood will repay in beautiful leaps of imagination. Don't mail a screenplay here; come and touch the golden roads, see for yourself what circus you must spin to catch an opportunity in your web.