Own web page on book

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
Hi,

It has been months since I posted here. I want to tell you what I have been doing. First, I got my book copyrighted. I sent it to some big publishers. One even took it to the board for a debate, but came back with not at this time. Said they liked it and saw all of the hard work. So, I decided to get my own illustrator and have her do all the work on the pictures with my directions. It is about finished, so I am going to do my own marketing. Making a web page with a counter to see how much interest will be in the book. I have been told it should be in every children's hospital across the country. Then, I am going to send it back to the publisher as a finished work plus all the maket information. Ok, gang what to you think of this way of doing things. I have always been one to control my own destiny.

Sparkle
 

Roger J Carlson

Moderator In Name Only
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 19, 2005
Messages
12,799
Reaction score
2,500
Location
West Michigan
Sorry for the non-sequitor. My previous post belonged in a different thread.

My thought is that most Children's publishers don't want your artwork, but prefer to contract the art themselves. If you flout their preferences, you're not going to improve your chances at publication. I'd try sending out to more publishers.
 

roach

annoyed and annoying
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
701
Reaction score
130
Location
Bolingbrook, IL
Website
www.idiorhythmic.net
Hi Sparkle!
I have been told it should be in every children's hospital across the country.
Who told you it should be in every children's hospital? And is "it" your book or the webpage?

It's difficult to sell a book to commercial publishers after the books been self-published. In order to garner interest from a large publisher you'd have to show lots (thousands +) sales.
 

brianm

Brian Boru
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 4, 2006
Messages
3,170
Reaction score
976
Location
The desert of S. California and the coast of N. Ir
Have you received any other feed back from submissions or just the one? I agree that you need to keep subbing it to agents/publishers. Maybe you'll get more feedback and that will help you understand why it's not being accepted. On the other hand, maybe it will be accepted.

I don't see how a website and your own artwork is going to help.

Good luck.
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
A doctor told me when he saw the book and read it. When the web page gets done I will post it here and get opinions. This is a horse story about a heavenly herd of horses. The lead horse is already know accross the US, Mex, Austraila, England and Europe. A little girl from Jamica has a scrape book with any picture she can get of him from magazines.
 

BenPanced

THE BLUEBERRY QUEEN OF HADES (he/him)
Kind Benefactor
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Nov 5, 2006
Messages
18,014
Reaction score
5,094
Location
dunking doughnuts at Dunkin' Donuts
Be careful with the website. If you're just creating pages to advertise the book, you'll be okay. If, however, you put the entire manuscript up, it'll be considered "published" and you'll all but ruin any chances of it getting picked up by a big house.
 

JennaGlatzer

wishes you happiness
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 9, 2005
Messages
9,703
Reaction score
3,462
Website
www.jennaglatzer.com
Hi Sparkle,

I moved your thread to "Children's Writing" because it's not a Bewares & Background Checks topic.
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
I am going to put only the cover and two of the pages and a little tease. The story has 22 pages.

Sparkle
 

moondance

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 13, 2006
Messages
348
Reaction score
37
Location
Oxford, England
I am a little puzzled at your way of going about this. You want it published by a traditional publisher, right? So why are you not following the rules? What you have done already suggests that the book will be self-published. I can imagine that publishers might well back off because you have such a fixed idea of what the book should be and do.

One doctor told you that your book should be in all hospitals - well, that's lovely (and well done) but he is not the best person to judge the state of the children's book market. One psychologist told me that all self-harmers should read my book - but I didn't assume that the book was perfect and take him at his word. On the contrary, it went through quite a bit of editing with the publisher.

I would suggest that since you have done so much work already, you would be better off self-publishing this through www.lulu.com or something like that.

If you want to get it published the traditional way, take out all the illustrations and start submitting it the proper way. Publishers don't have time to read your market proposal from the slush pile, and they'll simply send it straight back if it's not following the accepted guidelines. How many publishers did you send it to?
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
Okay, I am trying a new way of doing things. If I can prove the book has a good market value, wouldn't a publisher be interested in the numbers. In the very old days, publishers would send out salesmen with samples of books that may be published in the future. These salesmen would get signatures of people who wanted to buy the books. If they had enough interest, then the book would be published. This is the same idea except now the internet does the walking. Bottom line this is a business proposal with all the information provided. I have owned a successful brokerage company for 25 years and have done business with fortune 500 companies. I am going to proceed and see how this way works. Time will tell.

Sparkle
 

Roger J Carlson

Moderator In Name Only
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 19, 2005
Messages
12,799
Reaction score
2,500
Location
West Michigan
Sparkle,

Part of the skepticism here is because we've seen this "new way of doing things" proposed over and over. So far, no one has made it work.

I hope you'll let us know how it turns out.
 

moondance

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 13, 2006
Messages
348
Reaction score
37
Location
Oxford, England
But Sparkle, you can't prove that a book has good market value. Market value is only finally proven when the book is published and selling. How can you guarantee that the people who sign for a copy before it's published will then cough up the money? You'd need a couple of thousand signatures before a publisher would take notice - and if that's the case, why not simply publish it yourself? You do know you'll only get 7.5-10% royalty of the retail price if you go through a traditional publisher, right?

Besides, book publishing is very different from other businesses, and market value is FAR harder to assess because it's completely subjective.

Please don't misunderstand me - if you pull it off I shall be the first to applaud you. But having seen how publishers work, and having heard of others' attempts to try new things, I have to believe that your chances of finding a publisher this way are very slim.
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
I am not talking about getting signatures. The web page will have a counter for the number of people who are interested. How many of you who have responded have a web site trying to sell something whether books, information, and etc? Evidently it wasn't a bad idea when it seemed to assist the items you want to promote. By the way, the horse who is in this book is always mobbed by children when he is out in public. He has traveled accross the country and some newspapers put his picture in their paper to let the people know he is in town. I am only trying to think outside the box and not follow a path others have traveled. This book will stand by itself and either by published or not. I will not sit and say what if.

Sparkle
 

TnTexas

Registered
Joined
Jul 8, 2006
Messages
48
Reaction score
1
I am not talking about getting signatures. The web page will have a counter for the number of people who are interested. How many of you who have responded have a web site trying to sell something whether books, information, and etc? Evidently it wasn't a bad idea when it seemed to assist the items you want to promote. By the way, the horse who is in this book is always mobbed by children when he is out in public. He has traveled accross the country and some newspapers put his picture in their paper to let the people know he is in town. I am only trying to think outside the box and not follow a path others have traveled. This book will stand by itself and either by published or not. I will not sit and say what if.

Naturally, I wish you the best of luck; but I feel like it ought to be pointed out that someone visiting a webpage doesn't automatically mean that he/she would be interested in buying a book - famous horse or not. For that reason, hits on a webpage wouldn't mean anything to me in a case like this if I were a publisher. It's also very different to use a website to sell a product that already exists and use one to drum up interest in a product that won't exist for several years.

As I said though, I do wish you the best and hope you manage to beat the odds.
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
Thank you for the advice, but if I had listened to other people in different areas, I would have not been successful in other endeavors. I will let you know how it goes and even put the web site on here for everyone to visit if they want and express comments here.

Thanks,
Sparkle
 

Toothpaste

THE RECKLESS RESCUE is out now!
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Jul 18, 2006
Messages
8,745
Reaction score
3,097
Location
Toronto, Canada
Website
www.adriennekress.com
Here's a really dumb question. Is there such as thing as copyright on a horse? That is to say, if this is a really famous horse, do you have to have permission to write about it? Genuine question here.
 

Sparkle

Registered
Joined
Apr 11, 2005
Messages
43
Reaction score
4
Location
Indiana
I own the horse. His name is Rockin' Dobbin and he does the promotional advertising for Mane' & tail products. He is also an International Grand Champion stallion. His mane falls to his ankles.