Formal proposal: an AW Poetry Anthology *READ*

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Because anything tagged *READ* should be read, right? :) OK ...

Rob aka poetinahat and I had a brief but enlightening discussion today. It centers around getting the stuff that's appeared on this board into a printed anthology and sold on a site like, say, Lulu.

I'm all for this. I'd license my own works, if any are chosen.

That said, I'd suggest we go forward. I nominate me to design the book. I nominate Rob to be the editor-in-chief. I nominate the current poet lauerate to have oversight and supervision, as well as write a forward. MacAllister should also write a forward; it is, after all, her site.

The kicker to all this is that proceeds from any royalties go in two directions: 1.) to AW, say 30 percent; and the other 70 goes to a charity of the collective's choosing. I know. A lot of people will be put into the book. But, if selected, that person should have an opportunity to suggest a charity. Then, we choose one and the other 70 percent goes to that charity.

All those things in mind, I see the time horizon looking something like this:

-- Take a month to allow Robll through the poetry that's here. Plan to use nothing that's more than, say, a year old. Then, choose say the best 10 of those works. (I'd also offer that the 'Blue Rock' stuff is exempt from this and should be made into a separate collection)

-- Rob culls whatever he has down to 100 (or, up to 100). He then breaks those 100 down into categories.

-- Rob edits and re-edits. He might then send back to the authors works that might need a second go 'round for clarification. Rob might also create some sort of a letter that gives authorization for AW to use the poem, publish it in a book and sell it. (And I'll add this -- until you see the work in a book, there's nothing like it. TRUST me).

-- Then, Rob reorgs and sends the stuff to Mac and William Haskins (who is mentioned in the photo captioning thread because, well, I mentioned him).

-- Once all is biggie biggie blessed, the materail gets sent to me. I package it, send proofs to Rob. He OKs it. We send to Lulu, produce, market and, well, away we go.

-- We should decide the charity well before this. We can then work with that charity to market the book on its behalf. It could also open up a lot of doors for the book and, in turn, those who contributed.

I took the time to write this post, so, obviously, I am onboard. Rob's mentionedit and he's mentionedi n here prominently, but really, I have no idea if he'll have time or energy to do it.

I'd offer that if you have suggestions, let's get them here. Let's get this rolling. We created a poet lori ott. Let's do this, too.

v/r, jt
 

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How exciting - please take a look at 'Pollock'! I know there is a tremendous amount of good material by more established members (I haven't posted very much on the boards) and it might be passed over as I'm still a newbie! Sorry for the self-publicism; a gals gotta do what a gals gotta do! ;)

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Done already, dear Annie. It's in the original post.

Thanks for lighting a fire, Jason. Kudos for you and kdnxdr for doing so.

My thoughts:

Rather than my combing through the archive while everyone waits, and publishing what's already here, I thought it would be more exciting to have a project where everyone was involved. Get people writing. If people want to suggest poems that are already here, great; in the original thread, I pointed out a few examples as a start.

There's interest in working to a theme, or some other collaborative venture. There's also interest in just writing about anything. I say, let's do both: Two separate categories:

- a theme or motif, a la the magnificent Blue Rock; and
- free choice: whatever people want to write.

People might write formal works, play off each other's poetry, anything.

Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.
 

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I agree, new material. Sounds exciting.
 

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Rather than my combing through the archive while everyone waits, and publishing what's already here, I thought it would be more exciting to have a project where everyone was involved. Get people writing. If people want to suggest poems that are already here, great; in the original thread, I pointed out a few examples as a start.

I don't disagree with this. However, people are involved because they have submitted their work here. So, they have de facto involvement in the project (should there e "a project"). And, not to be the harbinger of doom, having worked in the US federal government for almost 20 years, any committee larger than three is a bad thing. :) So, I'd simply offer that Rob needs to lead it and have input from others, but not necessarily control and hands-on-rudder.

There's interest in working to a theme, or some other collaborative venture. There's also interest in just writing about anything. I say, let's do both: Two separate categories:

- a theme or motif, a la the magnificent Blue Rock; and
- free choice: whatever people want to write.

People might write formal works, play off each other's poetry, anything.

Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.

I'm confused. So, it wouldn't be "take the resources we already have in place and use those?" There's a wealth of poetry to be mined here. With the right permissions, the thing creates itself. I'd think "Absolute Poetry" would be the theme. EDIT: Getting new stuff is fine,too. Justensure here are deadlines and eople submit their "first use" rights statements with thework. IPoetryshould be submitte vi email or Pm to avid exposure.

Anyway, I just made 475 bones for AW (OFG tells me that's a new single-auction record. w00t!). Now, I have to go earn it. For those who won a Web design via auction, congrats. Jason is now you're virtual Web houseboy. :)

jt
 
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I agree with the OP that it would be best to take works already posted. This becomes a statement: "See what workshopping poems at AW results in!" If someone wanted to submit something new, nothing wrong with that.

I think spreading the royalties around would be an accounting nightmare. There won't be enough copies sold or enough money per contributor to make that worthwhile. I'd say just let the money go back into the AW coffers, in recognition of what the site has done for everyone.

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I don't disagree with this. However, people are involved because they have submitted their work here. So, they have de facto involvement in the project (should there e "a project"). And, not to be the harbinger of doom, having worked in the US federal government for almost 20 years, any committee larger than three is a bad thing. :) So, I'd simply offer that Rob needs to lead it and have input from others, but not necessarily control and hands-on-rudder.
Allow me to clarify what I meant by 'involvement'. Rather than sitting around, waiting to see what gets chosen, people are actively submitting. Either by writing or choosing what they want to submit, they're involved.

Otherwise, it's just one or two people combing through a few thousand poems.

It really depends on the point of the exercise, doesn't it?



I'm confused. So, it wouldn't be "take the resources we already have in place and use those?" There's a wealth of poetry to be mined here. With the right permissions, the thing creates itself. I'd think "Absolute Poetry" would be the theme. EDIT: Getting new stuff is fine,too.

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I don't think it quite creates itself, but no worries.

There's some thought in favor of both. I never really thought the project would just be one person selecting a bunch of stuff we've already written; it's pretty boring, then, for the rest. A few people seem to be quite keen on writing for it.

You bet there's plenty of good work here already. No reason we can't do two separate projects. But I'd like to know more on your thoughts about the benefit of POD-ing a book of poetry from the archives. I mean, we all have access to that work already. Who would we sell it to?

We'd been talking in the original thread about trying to go for traditional publishing. Difficult -- perhaps impossible -- but wouldn't it be something?
 

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I think the poets that want to participate should submit the work of their choice, whether it be something previously written or something written specifically for this project. If anyone wants to throw out an idea for some kind of new collaboration or theme, I'm sure many would jump on that.


I do agree that Blue Rock is a good candidate for publication but I think maybe that should be a project by itself, because of the quantity of poems, and it should probably be seriously looked at to see if anything needs to be added or changed. (but that's another discussion.)

Perhaps a small committee could work together on this, rather than one or two carrying the brunt of the load? I also wonder if with the size of this forum and scope of work that there is more than one project in the making here? There has been talk between doing something like Lulu vs a full on publication with a proposal etc. Perhaps both?
 

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I'd like to believe that once we get started, there will be enough momentum to make this work. I sense that's the case. :)
 

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How about starting a new thread where we can submit the poem/s we would like to put up for consideration? That way we can see what we have available and decide the theme groupings. We can all be involved and it would make it easier for the individual chosen to sift through all the posts.

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Question: Jason mentioned something about signing over first rights. Would the poem we submit have to be a previously unpublished poem?
 

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I'm game, if you want you can have anything that's already here.
if you need new work, just let me know.

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Like I said in the other thread, I'd love to participate. We need to establish some sort of list of what needs to happen, and when. As for theme/no theme, new/old/posted/not posted, I suppose we could put up a dang poll or something. I think we should try traditional publishing first. Why not? Then go POD if needed. Any money back to AW, like I said before. If we go no theme and want to push for traditional publishing, then I think reprints of previously pubbed material should be allowed, as long as they are not too recent. Just some thoughts.
 

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Gimme a day or two. The weather was good here, so Saturday was at the beach, and Sunday was prawns on the barbie. I suffer for my art, you see.

I've been consulting with a real-life editor, who's had to disappear for a few days; let's kick on.

I'm thinking of having two separate projects:

1) A collection of new and existing works, possibly themed. Or including different sections, some of which might be themed. Goal: Traditional publication.
2) an anthology of what's already here, to be POD'd.

I'm mapping out the who and what; when there's something organised, I'll post it. I may actually make a sub-forum just for this project, with a non-public password.

I'll have something set up shortly -- let's get writing.

No-Themers? Start writing.

Pro-Themers? Pelt me with theme ideas. See the original thread for some thoughts.

Everybody? Comb your back catalogue for anything you'd really like considered. Just let me know if it's been published or posted.

Sharpen those quills.
 

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How about something related to global worries such as the state of the planet/environment - big talk about global warming at the moment! This is an international site so we have a variety of voices from different walks. Proceeds could go to some charity supporting global environmentalism. Possibly lends itself to a higher level of publicity because of the current worries. Just a thought!

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How about something related to global worries such as the state of the planet/environment - big talk about global warming at the moment! This is an international site so we have a variety of voices from different walks. Proceeds could go to some charity supporting global environmentalism. Possibly lends itself to a higher level of publicity because of the current worries. Just a thought!

Annie O
Gob bless you Annie. And I would certainly hope that we could eschew politics and environmentalism in this project. Thank you.
 

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I'm sure their are many different camps of concern. Mine is children and I belive the children of the world need all the help they can get, especially to find opportunities to be all that they can be as they are the custodian's of the future.
 

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I'd suggest simply that Mac choose the charity, Her site. The project ultimately needs her blessing since it'll have her brand on it. However, I'm sure she'd be more than open to suggestions.
 

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Thanks for the suggestion, Jason.
 

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And I have another: suggest people be prepared to read their poetry aloud to create audio snippets that we could include on a CD inside the book or as downloads from, say, iTunes.

I'm willing when I'm over this freaking cough [cough].
 

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Good idea, Jason.
I would be willing to read something, as long as I can get a decent recording.
 

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i would do a recording if i can get a good one, but i think it has to be realised the difficulty of recording all the poems. not everybody can just go upstairs, plug in their mic and talk. perhaps have a selection for recording?
 

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Well, since I've already suggested this book thing before -I'm definietly on board. Hope something comes of it. And wow -are you peeps going to be busy. ;-) Rob especially, but it's all for love, after all. ^o^