Writing advice and crits

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The more I write and the more I read published novels, consciously noticing elements like voice, POV, showing and telling, tense, and organization and structure, the more confused I get. I know what I enjoy reading, and it is not always work that is more show than tell. Generalizing, I can say that I enjoy a wide variety of approaches, voices, themes, and genres.

Early on, I learned a lot from crits, writing them as well as getting them, but for more than a year now, I hesitate to make critiques of anything but details and obvious cliches. I recognize my own fallibility and hesitate to preach as gospel something that is more of a guide than a necessity. Personallly, I never submit first drafts for critique (though my writing may seem awkward and unpolished, it is not as a result of my not struggleing with it), and I don't like to struggle with the first drafts of others. More important, the more I learn, the less I feel qualified to comment. It seems to me that much of the advice I have received, though useful, gets in the way of my developing my own voice and style. It is a Janus act, I need to work out things by myself, and I need input from others.

Writing advice and crits have become a puzzling burden. How do I find a balance? How can I be helpful without thrusting crippling suggestions on other writers?
 

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I think, as critters, all we can do is what the poster asks us to do; that is, give an opinion. It's always up to a writer to decide which comments are valuable and which can be fed to the goat. And vice versa.
 

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My daddy told me al long time ago that the best time never to give advice is when it's asked for and when it isn't.
We here are fortunate that there are experts who are willing to put aside their time to help us understand and fill up gaps in our knowledge base.
I'm not there yet. When I speak it's only from my limited knowledge and I feely admit that.

As for criticism, hoping for none I offer none.

"I could never be satisfied with just the approval of the critics, and, boy, I've certainly had to be satisfied without it." Norman Rockwell

The more I write and the more I read published novels, consciously noticing elements like voice, POV, showing and telling, tense, and organization and structure, the more confused I get. I know what I enjoy reading, and it is not always work that is more show than tell. Generalizing, I can say that I enjoy a wide variety of approaches, voices, themes, and genres.

Early on, I learned a lot from crits, writing them as well as getting them, but for more than a year now, I hesitate to make critiques of anything but details and obvious cliches. I recognize my own fallibility and hesitate to preach as gospel something that is more of a guide than a necessity. Personallly, I never submit first drafts for critique (though my writing may seem awkward and unpolished, it is not as a result of my not struggleing with it), and I don't like to struggle with the first drafts of others. More important, the more I learn, the less I feel qualified to comment. It seems to me that much of the advice I have received, though useful, gets in the way of my developing my own voice and style. It is a Janus act, I need to work out things by myself, and I need input from others.

Writing advice and crits have become a puzzling burden. How do I find a balance? How can I be helpful without thrusting crippling suggestions on other writers?
 
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Yep, the more I learn about writing the less I feel I know. (Kind of like life.)

Just write what you like, chances are good if you like it then some publisher somewhere will too.
 

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If you read a posted writing sample, and the writing is such that you feel you can help the person, do a crit. If not, don't do one. If that means passing on the majority of postings you read, so be it. But, don't give up on reading other people's crits. The Share Your Work forum is of value to more than the OPs.

As you gain more of a "feel" for this writing thing, you may find that you are once again comfortable critting the work of others.
 

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It might help to consciously phrase critiques in a way that makes clear that they're only suggestions/opinions -- e.g., "It might be helpful to..." or "Think about what to do with..." rather than "This is wrong" or "You should change this" (unless it's something very cut-and-dried like apostrophe use or spelling, etc.)

(Ha, just noticed how I phrased this post -- "It might help to...". It gets to be a habit!)
 

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The best thing that folks can offer me in critiques is the easiest, and the one they're most comfortable with: what's their reaction, as readers?

A critter really can't go wrong if they crit not by offering advice but by offering reactions. Are you sleepy, reading? Are you having a hard time getting through typos? Does a particular character seem like she comes roaring to life, or is she boring and indefinite? Do the problems the characters face seem worth reading about? Does the character whine too much and do too little, making you impatient with him? Is the pace too slow, too fast--are you falling asleep or wishing you had time to breathe? Can you picture the scenes clearly, or are you wishing for some grounding? Do you -like- the characters, the setting, the problems, the writing style?

Etc., etc.

Readers--including writers working as readers--rarely know how to fix things. But we're aces at figuring out what we like and don't like. Share that, and share it respectfully, and you can't go wrong.
 

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When I offer a critique, particularly when it's extensive (I mainly do general overviews here), I always state that it's my opinion and my criticisms are suggestions. I can have an opinion about what <i>I</i> would do, but I'm not the author. I expect the author to take or leave what they will. As the author, you know what you want your story to be and what will work. Sometimes, however, it takes a critique to point out a hole or pull you out of your denial that something isn't working (this has happened to me).

If you're offering your work for critique, it's your responsibility to set the level or type of critique with your critiquer. If you just want general reader impressions, "I liked it!" or "this part was a little slow," say that. Same with if you want grammar and punctuation or an eye on characterization, consistency, point of view switching, or plot holes.

I've found all levels of critique to be helpful. The more, the merrier, actually. If I don't agree with a criticism, I drop it, but I've always gotten a lot of out the process.
 

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Okay, this all helps. I guess I have been working too hard. General reactions I can manage.

Thanks for your input.
 
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