About.com?

[Alicia64]

Any Guides on here that can give tips on naming Categories?

Alicia

[RamJay]

If I didn't get picked for training...and they only take the first 5, will they take the next 5 apps if no one works out? My topic of choice is still listed as available. Should I reapply, or will they go down the list if they need more applicants?

They also don't remove the site from the list until they hire someone. I also don't think it is a matter of them taking the first five or however many they pick. I think they take the first five they think are qualified. I'm sure they will go to their next group of top candidates if no one passes prep.

[plaidearthworm]

Well, I've applied. Third time's the charm, right? :)

[Crystal Lewis]

Have a cookie -- :e2cookie:

Awww thanks... I appreciate that. I'll take a super moist chocolate cookie with chocolate chips, chocolate chunks, and chocolate icing.
On second thought... I'll just take a bowl of chocolate syrup... :partyguy:

[Nancy]

Hi Crystal:

I'm sorry to hear you didn't make it into prep for Cols, OH. I'm sure you would have been great!

I just received an email that someone was hired for arts and crafts business (for which I had applied, but didn't get into prep). I'll be really curious to see who got that one, since I believe that one was literally custom made for me.

[Alicia64]

Nancy ~ I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you didn't get arts & crafts. I have a real respect for those who are great at a and c.

I just made paper mache baloons with my kids. It was really relaxing and fun. But still, I have major respect for arts and craft folks.

Are you trying to write for Family Fun at all? They seem into crafts big time.

Alicia

[Nancy]

Hi Alicia:

I was actually a working fiber artist for 10 years and began writing about the fine crafts industry 5 years ago. I also owned a gallery for a short time. See? Perfect topic for me!

I was probably late to the party - the topic must have been up a while when I applied. It bugs me that when new topics are posted, there is no indicator to flag them.

On a lighter note, about the only family fun I know about is the mostly dysfunctional kind ;).

Good luck with your pursuit of a topic!

[Alicia64]

Hello Guides Who Might Be Reading ~

I'm in stage 2 now. What are the editors specifically looking for at this point? Just knowledge/understanding of the tools?

Or?

Any help is appreciated!

THANKS!!

Alicia

[princessvessna]

Hello Guides Who Might Be Reading ~

I'm in stage 2 now. What are the editors specifically looking for at this point? Just knowledge/understanding of the tools?

Or?

Any help is appreciated!

THANKS!!

Alicia

I would think they are looking to see that you are using them correctly, including the right form of coding (there's different versions depending on where you are writing)
Also, whether you are choosing the right template for what you are writing - putting lists of things in "List", reviews in one of the review template, etc.

It's probably also just the whole way the site comes together - nice pictures if your site warrants them (like mine, tons of pics. Others..not so much) Your categories intuitive and clear. Things like that.

[Alicia64]

I woke up this morning wondering: where is Eric Hansen? I haven't seen his posts on here and I was sort of hoping he might chime in with his expert advice.

Alicia

[NancyP]

If you are in Prep now, he will not be chiming in here...you should revisit some of the Prep documents and be sure you're on track, instead.

And (my About.com mantra!)...proofread! Everything! Three times after you publish it!

[Alicia64]

Thanks Nancy!

[PattiTheWicked]

Hello Guides Who Might Be Reading ~

I'm in stage 2 now. What are the editors specifically looking for at this point? Just knowledge/understanding of the tools?



My understanding from when I went thru Prep (two years ago) is that in addition to being able to write coherently and work well with the tools, an ideal Guide candidates also responds to the feedback given at the end of stage 1. In other words, if the editor gave you five or six things to change, you should do them. Now :)

[Alicia64]

Thanks Patti. I changed everything he said to change. Definitely. And the tools are no problem for me. I've used something similar in the past.

My concern is that I'm going for a topic that I'm betting attracts professional writers -- people who would be writing for other sites/magazines if they don't get this job.

And that's me too, but I'm doing a number on myself thinking that I have majorly stiff competition!

(Any opportunity to do a number on myself, I'm there)

Love your title Welcome to the Dork Side!

Alicia

[RamJay]

That was actually the hardest part about prep for me -- always wondering who I was up against, if anyone, and what they were doing, how they were doing, etc. It's weird because I've made it a point in my professional life to not worry about what others, co-workers, competition, etc., were doing. But I couldn't get past it in prep. Maybe that was because the unknown factor is so thrown out there by the process, About and others that it becomes bigger than reality. Obviously a little psychological, but for some reason it really bothered me, and I'm pretty sure it has been on the minds of many who have gone through prep. Not sure if About intended for that to be something to work through during prep or not, but it's definitely a factor.

[Alicia64]

Ram -- YES! Well said.

Alicia

[herdon]

That was actually the hardest part about prep for me -- always wondering who I was up against, if anyone, and what they were doing, how they were doing, etc. It's weird because I've made it a point in my professional life to not worry about what others, co-workers, competition, etc., were doing. But I couldn't get past it in prep. Maybe that was because the unknown factor is so thrown out there by the process, About and others that it becomes bigger than reality. Obviously a little psychological, but for some reason it really bothered me, and I'm pretty sure it has been on the minds of many who have gone through prep. Not sure if About intended for that to be something to work through during prep or not, but it's definitely a factor.

I don't think it is at all intentional. They just want to make sure they have the best quality and creating competition really helps out in trying to get the best quality.

I did feel the exact same way during prep. It's easy to say that all you can do is your best and not worry about it, but it's a little harder to follow through with it.

I think one reason they changed prep is to relieve the stress on applicants. It is organized better and there is more emphasis on writing a few quality pieces whereas the old way could make applicants think they needed to write 50 or 100 pieces of content to get the position.

[cvernonpal]

Anyone know if they are currently going through prep for Model Railroad Trains. It's been on the list for a LONG time.

I have a friend who would be perfect.

[Alicia64]

Hi Everyone,

I'm in prep. Do most people in training instantly take to the tools? How much training do the editors give the guides in training before they feel like there's too many questions?

I'm just curious. I have a good understanding of the tools and I'm wondering how much that effects the outcome (who they select).

Just stressed at this point. Off to eat some chocolate (this experience hasn't been great for my weight maintenance!! )

Alicia

[Alicia64]

And no I'm not in prep for model trains!!!

A.

[Marcelyn]

Hey Alicia,

I haven't been keeping track of the time, but just wanted to wish you good luck. Your prep's probably winding down. Congrats for making it through.

[rjolitz]

Well, I've applied. Third time's the charm, right? :)

Good Luck!

I just applied for the second time myself so let's hope 2 is a charm...

[mariad]

After hemming & hawing over my 500 word writing sample for web humor, I checked the status and saw that it's already in prep. Just wanted to put a note here in case anyone else has applied for that position. Sigh, better luck next time, right?

[Uncarved]

can anyone tell me how to check whether something is in Prep yet? will it say that if you do a "application status" check, like "this is in Prep"?

I'm curious if one or two topics have hit prep yet or if I still have a decent chance, thanks for any hints and tips to checking on prep status.

[princessvessna]

Yes, when you check application status, it will either generally say "We havent had a chance to check your app yet" or "We have a group in Prep, we'll keep your app on hand in case"...something like that anyways.

[Writing Mom]

Anyone know the length of time it takes them to get a group into prep? I applied back in March for a topic, but when I get the email of the application status, it tells me "we haven't had a chance to review your applications yet...it may take up to 8 weeks..." But it's been over 8 weeks now. Just wondering.....

[princessvessna]

It really just depends on how many people apply, etc. My own story is an anomaly, where just a month after my application, I had already won the position and my site went live. A friend just had applied for a topic and when he finally found out it had gone into Prep, it was 10 weeks. Hang in there...if you wanted, since it's been that long, you could perhaps write one short polite letter just stating it's been over 8 weeks and you were just curious/wondering/etc if they had plans to start Prep soon.

[SouthernFriedJulie]

Finally got word on the Baby topic. No dice. That was the last time I'm trying. For a while.

[Kathleen Roberts]

Okay, I have applied yet again. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment since I have applied multiple times and never make it to prep. So I'm hopeful this time but I'll try not to get too stressed about it. (ha! yeah right.)

[Kathleen Roberts]

Well, I checked the status of my app. today just to see what it would say. It says they are currently working with a group of people. I guess that means it is in prep so I wasted my time applying. I wish we could find out ahead of time if a topic is in prep before we apply for them.

Oh well, now I don't need to stress over the application. I did see another topic I was interested in but I don't think I meet their qualifications for it. :( Guess I'll keep watching.

[Writing Mom]

I had applied over a year ago for a completely different topic and got accepted into prep, but no further. This topic is one of three that I KNOW that I am really qualified for. I didn't make it past prep with the last one, one is already live with a guide and I am waiting to hear about this last one. If this one doesn't work out.......

[Lisamer]

Okay, I have applied yet again. I guess I'm a glutton for punishment since I have applied multiple times and never make it to prep. So I'm hopeful this time but I'll try not to get too stressed about it. (ha! yeah right.)

Believe me, it could be worse! I went through prep twice, and unlike LTK, it is unpaid, and involves a massive amount of work. Unfortunately, HTML formatting is not me strong point, and I kept ending up with bad links and other mess-ups. There went four weeks of my life!

[Kathleen Roberts]

I think my biggest problem is timing. It seems that every topic I apply for is already in prep. I can see how it would be frustrating to go through prep (twice!) and not make it through. It sounds like a pretty intense process. I enjoyed training with LTK, but with About it sounds very stressful.

Still though, I'd sure like a shot. I guess I have to start checking every day so I can apply as soon as a topic goes up. I only have a few things that I feel qualified enough to write on. Many topics look interesting but I wouldn't quite measure up for them.

Maybe I'll luck out and no one will be picked during prep. Then they'll take another group and I might have a chance. I'm sure that doesn't happen very often though. ;)

[Thrillride]

I think my biggest problem is timing. It seems that every topic I apply for is already in prep. I can see how it would be frustrating to go through prep (twice!) and not make it through. It sounds like a pretty intense process. I enjoyed training with LTK, but with About it sounds very stressful.

Still though, I'd sure like a shot. I guess I have to start checking every day so I can apply as soon as a topic goes up. I only have a few things that I feel qualified enough to write on. Many topics look interesting but I wouldn't quite measure up for them.

Maybe I'll luck out and no one will be picked during prep. Then they'll take another group and I might have a chance. I'm sure that doesn't happen very often though. ;)

That's what I'm hoping for, as well. Maybe I'll have shot if they don't choose someone out of this prep go-round.

[Writing Mom]

Here I am again. What's the longest anyone had to wait from the time they applied until the topic went into prep? I applied mid March for a topic. I see the topic is still available and when I ask for the application status, I get the email stating that they haven't reviewed my application yet. I sent an email asking about it to an actual person, but they told me to just keep checking the 'status' email thing.

I know my topic isn't the most popular, and the people who are experts in it aren't usually the internet type, so I guess it's taking longer to find qualified applicants. But dang, it's almost been 4 months...;)

[princessvessna]

Here I am again. What's the longest anyone had to wait from the time they applied until the topic went into prep? I applied mid March for a topic. I see the topic is still available and when I ask for the application status, I get the email stating that they haven't reviewed my application yet. I sent an email asking about it to an actual person, but they told me to just keep checking the 'status' email thing.

I know my topic isn't the most popular, and the people who are experts in it aren't usually the internet type, so I guess it's taking longer to find qualified applicants. But dang, it's almost been 4 months...;)

I know my friend is still waiting and it's been months. (It did go into Prep, but it apparently didnt work out as the status went back to "We're still reviewing). Hmm.

[novelette]

Wow, Writing Mom! I thought my 11+ weeks was long. It was VERY hard waiting--I did send a message to customer care around week 6, although I know they say it can take up to 8 weeks before you hear anything. I was especially anxious, I guess, because my topic was one that I suggested last December and it went up for grabs in early March.

Anyway, even though the waiting was driving me crazy, I immersed myself in another project and sure enough, soon after I did that, I got into Prep.

Sorry about the wait. Trust me, I know what you're going through. I hope you get in Prep for your topic!

[blueobsidian]

I applied for a topic at the end of January and the status update has been telling me that it has been in prep since the end of March. This has definitely set the record for my longest wait!

[Writing Mom]

Still waiting...since mid-March...

Anyone else ever wait this long? Oh, and the topic is Rodeo, just so you know. They want someone who writes and has been a competitor or trainer. Most people who are into this lifestyle just aren't writers and probably don't even know they could be writers for About.com. So I guess there just aren't many contenders. Still sitting with my fingers crossed...;)

[HeatherOhio]

Hi All,

I'd use some caution before agreeing to participate in About.com's training program. I think the hiring can be a bit subjective and unfair.

I was recently turned down for a position after completing the entire Guide Prep program and my mock site.

I'm having a hard time letting it go. From the start, I didn't have much of a rapport with the training editor. I was unsure about his editorial experience. I have been writing for nearly 15 years and some of the guidance he gave seemed a little off the mark.

Anyway, I found out, in a strange way, this same editor graduated from college in 2007. I've worked with young editors before, but this time I was bugged. I crafted my mock site and stories to suit this editor. And, in our correspondance, he essentially told me I had the job if I did what he suggested.

I was never able to communicate directly with the Editor of the site, so I don't know if he/she was aware of this communication.

I've thought about submitting an appeal, but I can't figure out where I'd send it.

I really appreciate any feedback. I need to put this to rest.

[novelette]

Hi Heather,

Sorry you didn't graduate Prep this time around. I've gone through Prep twice (once the old way, where people could write unlimited amounts of content, and once the newer way, where they give you a small number of select topics to cover) and I can only offer you my opinion.

In most cases, you're competing against a handful of other people for the same topic, so they're looking for who they think is the "best" candidate for the site. You could do stellar work but if they think someone else has more of the voice they're looking for, then that's probably who they'll go with. They want people who write well for the web, which is different from print, with an engaging voice and who really grasp the concept of keeping readers clicking from link to link.

From my understanding, your Prep mentor doesn't have the final and only say for who graduates. It's essentially decided by the channel editor; I wasn't aware that we could contact the channel editor during Prep.

Also, the "he essentially told me I had the job if I did what he suggested" sounds really odd to me. Not on your part, on his, because the mentor isn't who decides who gets the job.

As someone who didn't graduate Prep the first time around, I know how you feel. It can be really discouraging and disappointing. All I can say is, if you're a freelancer, this happens from time to time. I guess you could appeal but if they've hired who they think is best for the topic, I don't think there will be much you can do.

When I failed Prep, I was bummed for about a day, but writers deal with rejection a lot, so to me, it was another rejection (though one I'd really worked hard for, which stings). You just have to pick yourself up, move on and work on something else. There could be another topic that opens up that you like even better than this one--if you read through this monster thread, you'll see that that's what happened with a lot of Guides.

For me, it was worth trying again, so if something really speaks to you, you may want to consider giving it another shot.

[HeatherOhio]

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

I'm a writer and I know rejection, unfortunately. Usually, I chalk it up and move on.

This time, though, I was seriously bugged. I didn't care for the prep editor and I can't say I entirely trusted his guidance. I haven't done a lot of writing for the Web so I really put myself in his hands and molded my content to his suggestions. There was one story, a simple profile, where I followed, verbatim, the outline of another guide's profile of somewhere else. Anyway, he "edited" the crap out of this story. The piece was sliced and diced and covered in corrections. I was horrified when I first saw it and then realized my copy was fine. He argued with the set up. He wanted the "Directions" in another spot and the General Info somewhere else. It was really silly.

I've worked with lots of editors who make changes just to make changes. I know the drill, I changed the piece per his instructions.

So, my argument is... What if this training editor isn't a very experienced editor and I change my copy to suit him? I don't get the impression the Channel Editor steps in until the last stages, maybe only when the mock site is complete.

Prep guides are being trained by one editor to work for another.

Rejection is a part of the writing life, but this wasn't a query, novel, or short story. This was a steady job. I think potential guides should have access to the Channel Editor of their topic, especially after making it through the first stages.

Just my own thoughts.

[NancyP]

You know, the publishing world is pretty small. It only grows when new writers and editors (frequently younger) enter the profession. I'm well into middle age, myself, but I don't have trouble working with people of all ages, and I hope they feel the same way about me.

Heather, while I understand (totally - I failed Prep my first time around) your disappointment, I have to agree with Del. You are in control of how you react to your current situation, but, just as you felt you didn't "click" with your mentor, you can't control how he felt about your writing or how well he felt he established a rapport with you.

As long as you did your very best, and I can tell you did, that's all you could have done.

Before you try to appeal the decision that was made, may I respectfully suggest that you think through all of your options? The same About.com staff will edit/mentor you should you decide to apply again. You may (as I did during my second Prep) have a different mentor, or you may not. Ask yourself whether you want to apply again some time down the road. Also, consider whether you would appeal a decision made by, say, a print mag editor who substantially changed a piece you submitted, or turned down a pitch you made.

While you may not agree with how About.com handles its application process, it works for them.

We're all here to help each other and be supportive. I certainly understand how you feel and agree that it's difficult to understand why things worked out the way they did. I imagine that there are many writers here besides Del and the two of us who have had to deal with the Prep experience, only to get the "Sorry, but..." email, and they also understand how much you've dedicated to the process and how frustrated you are.

I definitely don't want to tell you what to do. Your career is yours to manage. Still, important decisions require careful thought, in my opinion, and, based on what you've written here, I feel that the decision to appeal the editors' choice is an important one.

Whichever way you decide, I wish you the best, and I hope you'll consider applying for another Guide position some time in the future.

[herdon]

This time, though, I was seriously bugged. I didn't care for the prep editor and I can't say I entirely trusted his guidance. I haven't done a lot of writing for the Web so I really put myself in his hands and molded my content to his suggestions. There was one story, a simple profile, where I followed, verbatim, the outline of another guide's profile of somewhere else. Anyway, he "edited" the crap out of this story. The piece was sliced and diced and covered in corrections. I was horrified when I first saw it and then realized my copy was fine. He argued with the set up. He wanted the "Directions" in another spot and the General Info somewhere else. It was really silly.


Writing for the web is very different from writing for print.

Without seeing what you wrote and what he suggested, I can't talk to the specifics, but something written in the print style would certainly invoke a lot of suggestions to make it better for the web style of writing.

And I'm sure the writer would think similar to you -- that the original was fine. And it was fine -- if it had been written for print.

This is not to say that you got good or bad advice, just to say that I can understand a writer putting out good copy and having is slashed and re-organized to match with good copy for the web.

As for the editor promising you the job, I can't speak to that. My editors did a great job of complimenting good writing but not mentioning anything about my chances to secure the position. I was eventually selected as the guide, but I didn't know if I had a good or bad shot at it until the email appeared in my inbox.

Honestly, I'd be curious as to what the editor actually told you in regards to the position. It doesn't seem to follow with my training, but it was probably a different editor.

[writerbyday]

I found this forum and it is very helpful. I applied to a very popular topic over 12 weeks ago and still have not heard anything. Has anyone been accepted into prep recently? If not, I wonder what the hold up is. I applied for a very popular topic and I am sure they have enough candidates. Does this mean they have not found applications that they like, and I should assume I am not getting into prep?
Thanks for your input...
Joyce

[novelette]

Hi Joyce,

Have you tried checking your app's status with the automated tool? It's directly under the Apply Now link on the Be a Guide page. That will let you know whether or not prep has started for your topic.

I know that someone else on this board has been waiting even longer than 12 weeks for a topic so I guess they sometimes get behind.

[RitrChick]

It looks like the topics list has remained the same for ages (maybe with a few additions, but I don't think any have been taken off). Maybe they're backlogged due to summer?

[herdon]

I found this forum and it is very helpful. I applied to a very popular topic over 12 weeks ago and still have not heard anything. Has anyone been accepted into prep recently? If not, I wonder what the hold up is. I applied for a very popular topic and I am sure they have enough candidates. Does this mean they have not found applications that they like, and I should assume I am not getting into prep?
Thanks for your input...
Joyce

They only have a limited number of editors available to take candidates through training, and the last time I checked, there were several dozen open topics. So even if they get enough qualified applicants to start training, it could take a couple of weeks to get started.

Also, I wouldn't assume that because it is a popular topic they will have enough qualified applicants in just a few weeks. I've seen popular topics stick around for much longer than I would have assumed.

As mentioned above, the best thing to do is simply check the status of your application. If it has gone into prep, the status email will tell you.

[Marcelyn]

I would love to see a few examples of applications that were accepted into prep. Obviously, I'm not hitting what they're looking for. I've done a lot of poking around the site--enough to know my samples were good. I have tons of print and online writing experience, though no books to my name. I have a Masters in one of the topics which just went into prep without me, so I'm not completely void of qualifications. I'm definitely open to improvement, but don't know at this point whether applying again is worth my time. If anyone saved a chosen application and wouldn't mind passing it along, I'd really appreciate an example to look at. Thanks.

[herdon]

I'm pretty sure this is what I sent in for my application, though it has been so long I could be wrong:


*deleted*


Perhaps not the best article in the world, but it was written in a very web-friendly style, which might have helped.

[Marcelyn]

Thanks. That’s a very informative article. It helps to see an example of something that caught their eye.
Do you have any insights on qualifications? I know it varies with every topic, but if you have work experience and education, is it the writing experience that will pull you down. For example, I have two years free-lance experience and over fifty articles in print newspapers and magazines as well as over 250 articles published online, but no books to my name.
Also, is there a best way to organize the experience in your opinion? I started with a concise, bulleted list on my first application. Then I read that more information is better. I beefed up the next application with several descriptive sentences for each qualification to no avail.
Just trying to get a handle on this application thing. You’re post was incredibly helpful.

[herdon]

Thanks. That’s a very informative article. It helps to see an example of something that caught their eye.
Do you have any insights on qualifications? I know it varies with every topic, but if you have work experience and education, is it the writing experience that will pull you down. For example, I have two years free-lance experience and over fifty articles in print newspapers and magazines as well as over 250 articles published online, but no books to my name.
Also, is there a best way to organize the experience in your opinion? I started with a concise, bulleted list on my first application. Then I read that more information is better. I beefed up the next application with several descriptive sentences for each qualification to no avail.
Just trying to get a handle on this application thing. You’re post was incredibly helpful.

Qualifications are going to change from topic to topic and are usually spelled out reasonably well in the list. You have plenty experience with writing, so it is really going to come down to your qualifications for the topic and who else is in the application pool.

And there can be some pretty impressive credits from the applicants. Here's the guy that was recently chosen as the web humor guide:


Lukas Kaiser knows humor on the Web inside and out. He's been a featured writer for comedy sites College Humor, McSweeney's Internet Tendency and The National Lampoon and served as the Director of Original Content for the popular men's comedy website Double Viking for over two years.

Lukas has also written comedy and advertisements for Comedy Central, Spike TV, BBH and Mindshare World.

He's also served as an associate producer for several TV shows and films, including Chappelle's Show and the John Waters film This Filthy World.


Those are pretty good credits for the topic.
Note: I took the article down since I'm not supposed to post stuff both there and other places.

[writerbyday]

Hi everyone..Thanks for your responses..
I did check the application tool and it says the topic is not in prep. I also realized that I actually applied in April. It has been 4 months and it is a popular topic. I am surprised that I have not heard anything yet..

[nickelnm]

Hello,

Newbie here! I have applied for About.com four different times and have not gotten into prep. I noticed about two months ago that a topic I had applied for was open again (the new guide was only on the site a couple months). Its a regional topic so, that should limit the competition. I do not have very much writing credentials (pretty much none) as most of my writing is completed online. (I promise I do actually have a question!)

I want to apply for the topic a second time and I want to use the same piece I used the first time as my 'example'. I will edit it and update it as needed, but can anyone think of any reason why this would be a bad thing?

In addition to my About.com application, I am trying to bring my blog back to life, and have an active application on VerityMom.com (which is more like running for public office and super intense).

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you,
Nicole

[novelette]

Hi Nicole,

The only reason I can think of not to use that same sample is if they said in their previous rejection that your sample wasn't what they were looking for. You'd have to know why you didn't make it into prep before and you don't always know. Part of getting in is a timing thing -- they take the first 5 qualified applicants so if you were #6, that could be the reason.

I applied for a topic once and used the same sample (a year apart) and didn't get in, although the second time, I applied pretty much as soon as the topic went up. OTOH, both times I made it into prep, I used a sample that had been previously published online and I included the link to it in the app. So that worked for me, but maybe other people had a different experience? I say if you have a sample that's relevant to the topic and has been published before (and you can link to it), that's probably stronger than a random sample.

[herdon]

I would advise writing another article. As Novelette said, you don't know why the rejected you the first time. Could have been that they already found five applicants, could have been that the article wasn't what they were looking for in terms of the subject.

I will say that the main thing they look for in the sample is good, engaging writing. It doesn't have to be spot on with the topic, and even if it is perfect for the topic and mistake free, if it's very, very dry it could work against you.

[nickelnm]

From reading this forum and watching how the topics I have applied for have progressed; I believe I was late applying each time. They hired someone before they got to my application.

I don't write that much for pay about my local area so, I don't have any articles that have been published anywhere. So, it will have to be something brand new. I think my writing has improved dramatically from where I was a year ago.

I have learned to use Microsoft Word to help 'edit' my writing for passive voice and things that don't make sense to anyone, but me.

Thank you everyone for the feedback. Keep it coming!

Thank you,
Nicole

[NancyP]

I'd sit down and write a completely new piece on something mentioned in the qualifications listed on the "Be a Guide" page. Do your absolute best. Don't just dash something off and send it in - work quickly, so your app gets in, but don't do a sloppy job. This is your interview - really - so it's your best chance to showcase what you can do.

[Talia]

I think the main issue is that the sample writing piece has to be relevant to the position you're applying for. It needs to show your understanding of and expertise in the topic and that you can contribute the type of articles they require in easy-to-understand language.

[K-Mark]

Hi Everyone

About.com is recruiting for a new kind of freelance writing position, which they call Contributing Writers. CWs will be creating content
for GuideSites in topic areas that are even more niche than the GuideSite itself.


They are asking applicants to send a resume and writing sample to
<mailto:contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m)> contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m); an
auto-responder will offer more information and answers to FAQs. The
Recruitment and Training team will evaluate the candidates who apply and be
in touch with those we are interested in putting through CW prep.


They are are recruiting for CWs for these subject areas, which have been
pre-approved. (There are many more topics in the future)


* Playing and Coaching (About Football)

* Antique Furniture (About Antiques)

* Legal Issues (About Single Parents)

* Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Scene (About Manhattan)

* At-Risk Teens (About Parenting Teens)

* XML (About HTML / Web Design)

* South Africa Travel (About Africa Travel)

* Feminism in the 1960s and 1970s (About Women's History)

* Algebra (About Math)

* Medical/Surgical Information for Patients (About Back and Neck
Pain)

They are currently evaluating candidates to write on the following topics:



* Playing and Coaching (About Football <http://football.about.com (http://football.about.com/)>
http://football.about.com (http://football.about.com/))

* Antique Furniture (About Antiques <http://antiques.about.com (http://antiques.about.com/)>
http://antiques.about.com (http://antiques.about.com/))

* Legal Issues (About Single Parents
<http://singleparents.about.com/> http://singleparents.about.com/)

* Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Scene (About Manhattan
<http://manhattan.about.com (http://manhattan.about.com/)> http://manhattan.about.com (http://manhattan.about.com/))

* At-Risk Teens (About Teens <http://parentingteens.about.com/>
http://parentingteens.about.com/)

* XML (About HTML / Web Design <http://webdesign.about.com/>
http://webdesign.about.com/)

* South Africa Travel (About Africa Travel
<http://goafrica.about.com (http://goafrica.about.com/)> http://goafrica.about.com (http://goafrica.about.com/))

* Feminism in the 1960s and 1970s (About Women's History
<http://womenshistory.about.com/> http://womenshistory.about.com/)

* Algebra (About Math <http://math.about.com (http://math.about.com/)> http://math.about.com (http://math.about.com/))

* Medical/Surgical Information for Patients (About Back and Neck Pain
<http://backandneck.about.com (http://backandneck.about.com/)> http://backandneck.about.com (http://backandneck.about.com/))



If you are interested in applying for one of these positions or learning
more, please email your RESUME and a WRITING SAMPLE -- both IN THE BODY OF
AN EMAIL -- to <mailto:contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m)>
contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m). Please put the topic you're applying for in
the subject line. Keep introductions concise.

[RamJay]

Hi Everyone

About.com is recruiting for a new kind of freelance writing position, which they call Contributing Writers. CWs will be creating content
for GuideSites in topic areas that are even more niche than the GuideSite itself.


They are asking applicants to send a resume and writing sample to
<mailto:contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m)> contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m); an
auto-responder will offer more information and answers to FAQs. The
Recruitment and Training team will evaluate the candidates who apply and be
in touch with those we are interested in putting through CW prep.


They are are recruiting for CWs for these subject areas, which have been
pre-approved. (There are many more topics in the future)


* Playing and Coaching (About Football)

* Antique Furniture (About Antiques)

* Legal Issues (About Single Parents)

* Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Scene (About Manhattan)

* At-Risk Teens (About Parenting Teens)

* XML (About HTML / Web Design)

* South Africa Travel (About Africa Travel)

* Feminism in the 1960s and 1970s (About Women's History)

* Algebra (About Math)

* Medical/Surgical Information for Patients (About Back and Neck
Pain)

They are currently evaluating candidates to write on the following topics:



* Playing and Coaching (About Football <http://football.about.com (http://football.about.com/)>
http://football.about.com (http://football.about.com/))

* Antique Furniture (About Antiques <http://antiques.about.com (http://antiques.about.com/)>
http://antiques.about.com (http://antiques.about.com/))

* Legal Issues (About Single Parents
<http://singleparents.about.com/> http://singleparents.about.com/)

* Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Scene (About Manhattan
<http://manhattan.about.com (http://manhattan.about.com/)> http://manhattan.about.com (http://manhattan.about.com/))

* At-Risk Teens (About Teens <http://parentingteens.about.com/>
http://parentingteens.about.com/)

* XML (About HTML / Web Design <http://webdesign.about.com/>
http://webdesign.about.com/)

* South Africa Travel (About Africa Travel
<http://goafrica.about.com (http://goafrica.about.com/)> http://goafrica.about.com (http://goafrica.about.com/))

* Feminism in the 1960s and 1970s (About Women's History
<http://womenshistory.about.com/> http://womenshistory.about.com/)

* Algebra (About Math <http://math.about.com (http://math.about.com/)> http://math.about.com (http://math.about.com/))

* Medical/Surgical Information for Patients (About Back and Neck Pain
<http://backandneck.about.com (http://backandneck.about.com/)> http://backandneck.about.com (http://backandneck.about.com/))



If you are interested in applying for one of these positions or learning
more, please email your RESUME and a WRITING SAMPLE -- both IN THE BODY OF
AN EMAIL -- to <mailto:contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m)>
contributingwriters@about.com (https://web.mail.about.com/webmail/src/compose.php?send_to=contributingwriters%40about.co m). Please put the topic you're applying for in
the subject line. Keep introductions concise.

I was curious what current guides think of this? I recieved an FAQ on this from a fellow writer and it said the base pay is $500 a month plus growth in page views for the first year. They are asking for a minimum of 12 stories, long and short, a month. Even though I am sure this is an attempt to help the guides get even more content up quicker and to fill the sites out with more quality material, it seems to me this would cause issues with exsisting guides and be stepping on some toes.

I could imagine that it would take away good ideas and content from established guides and possibly even some pay if PV growth also goes to the contributor. It also could create a heck of a lot of crossover on stories on single sites.

Not to mention the pay -- do guides get anything from those PVs or none even though those will help grow traffic on their sites? And if all you had to do was write and get paid that much it seems like a lot more worth it economically than being a guide. Guides only get a minimum of $675 a month and they have to manage the entire site. Granted the FAQ said that contributor pay dropped to $250 after the first year, but especially for that first year it almost seems more worthwhile to be a contributor than a guide in terms of financial return. Anyway, sorry for the long-winded question here, but I'm really curious as to what do guides think of this?

[herdon]

Not to worry, Guides will end up benefiting from the program and Guides will have the say-so on (1) if they get a contributing writer and (2) what subject the contributing writer will write about. It's a great way to fill holes in the coverage the guide will probably not fill themselves.

[princessvessna]

I think it could be useful (and we do get some compensation from the PVs too).

For example, I would love a CW who writes about pruning and grafting. I can do it. It's just harder for me (a person living in a townhome, who has to find trees I can mess around with) vs, say, someone from a tree service who could take pics of pruning all sorts of different trees more easily.

Another part of the problem is I cover all trees, but not all of them grow around me....as well as the fact that I need to write basic care sheets about the trees and shrubs more.

In the meantime, I'll just have to break out the pruners and get at it! :)

[RamJay]

Well, if it's up to the guides whether or not a site has one I guess that pretty much answers that. I see how this can help guides. Do you know the PV breakdown? I guess I am still kind of surprised with how much contributors are getting paid to start. I really think the pay to amount of work ratio favors the contributor over the guide, especially in the early phases, and if I was chosing to be one or the other I might think strongly about going the contributor route. Thanks for the responses. It will be interesting to see how it works out.

[nickelnm]

Any word on when more topics will be releases for CWs?

[Kathleen Roberts]

No one has posted here in a while. Is there anything new? Has anyone gotten into prep lately? I see some topics that have been listed for forever now. Are they not hiring new people right now? I think I see a topic I'd like to try for. Wondering if it is worth the effort--again.

[Kathleen Roberts]

Okay, I did it. Send me your good vibes because I really need a break. If I could get this, it couldn't come at a better time.

[novelette]

Sending good vibes, Kathleen! I know you've been trying for a while.

[K-Mark]

Good luck, Kathleen. As far as I know they are still looking for writers. Nothing has been mentioned otherwise. Hope you get it!

[Kathleen Roberts]

Thanks guys. :) I really need a break. Something has to give somewhere before I have a meltdown. I'm not going to count on this, or even think about it anymore until I hear from them. But if I could just get into prep, that would at least make me feel better. lol I usually can land some pretty good gigs, but it seems the ones I want the most are just out of my reach. Maybe I need to re-examine my whole business approach (not to mention, spend some time on my lousy website so it is actually worth showing people).

Anyhow, sorry about the ramble. Just very stressed lately. Thanks for the support. :)

[princessvessna]

Just thought I'd let everyone know that About has put out more topics for Contributing Writers. Check them out :)

http://beaguide.about.com/

[Kathleen Roberts]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not, but if someone is accepted as a CW, can they still be considered for a Guide position? Just curious. :)

[princessvessna]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not, but if someone is accepted as a CW, can they still be considered for a Guide position? Just curious. :)

I don't know for sure since it's a new program, but I believe you can only be one or the other.

[ameliawrites]

I don't know if you would want to try and juggle both, either. Every word I write that isn't related to my site is a word that *should be* going towards said site. I hear my inner critic saying "Why aren't you writing for About"? :-)

Having said that, there is not reason you couldn't keep the CW gig and apply for your Guide gig at the same time. If you got through Prep and got the Guide site, then decide which one you wanted?

Thoughts?

Amy

[Crystal Lewis]

The topic I want is available again... Off to reapply... Wish me luck!

[novelette]

Best of luck, Crystal! :-)

[Kathleen Roberts]

I guess I was more wondering if you could apply as a Guide if you were accepted as a CW. Sorry I wasn't more clear. It might be difficult to juggle both, I agree. Of course, at this point I'd be happy with one or the other, but I really would like a Guide position.

I'm starting to develop a complex here. I have lots of clients and a steady gig. I really want to get on with About and have applied countless times. I never make it into prep. I'm starting to wonder if I should be working at McDonald's. :(

I wish you much success Crystal. I'll have to go and see what's new today. :) There is one that has been on the list forever. I'd like to apply but considering how long it has been there, I can't believe that it isn't in prep already. Maybe I'll give it a shot anyhow. What have I got to lose (besides time)?

[herdon]

I don't believe they allow anyone to be both a Guide and a CW, but there should be nothing stopping a CW from applying for a Guide position.

[tigerlily]

Is it worth applying for what I imagine is a pretty popular topic which has been open since Aug. (it says so in the forum)? I have years of Life experience with the topic & a few national credits that are relevant, but not much other experience.

There's been no updates to the site since Aug. except for one blog post in Nov. Don't know if that was by the old guide or an about-to-be-announced guide??

Also, somewhere it said most guides spend 10-15 hours at it. Elsewhere it said 25-30 hours (that would be too much for me at this time). Which is it? Or does it depend on the topic? Should I go for it or not even bother trying at this point? Thanks!

[herdon]

You can easily achieve the minimums with 10 hours a week, but ultimately, you'll get what you put into it. The successful guides put more hours into it.

[Kathleen Roberts]

Is it worth applying for what I imagine is a pretty popular topic which has been open since Aug. (it says so in the forum)?

That's a good question. There is a topic I'm interested in that has been there forever. I was going to apply when I first saw it but decided against it because I don't seem to be successful applying for About. Now, months later, it is still there. I'm so tempted to apply but I just have a feeling that as soon as I do I'll find out it is in prep.

I'm wondering why it seems like they aren't hiring anyone? Most of those topics have been there for months and months. Are they just not getting good applicants? It's just surprising because there were always posts here with people proclaiming they made it into prep. Now this thread is very quiet.

[herdon]

I'm not sure why you wouldn't apply for a site that you are interested in unless you are simply not qualified. It doesn't take that long to apply.

As for whether or not they've slowed down, can't say for sure, but I do know they recently hired almost a dozen contributing writers to help out on sites. That might have slowed down guide prep, or it might simply be that many topics aren't getting qualified applicants.

[Kathleen Roberts]

Well in my case it just seems like every time I apply I find out it's already in prep. It's very irritating so that's why I hesitate to apply for one that has been posted for months. It's hard for me to believe that they aren't getting qualified apps for that particular topic (though very probable for others).

[tigerlily]

" Extensive PR and Marketing Support Guides are a big part of About.com's brand, so we do a lot of promotion of the Guides as experts, including press releases for new GuideSites, appearances for Guides at trade shows... "

This also makes me hesitate. As a very private and shy person, I actually prefer to write under a pseudonym (with no photo online. I'm more into the 'fortune' than any 'fame.')

I know there's already a bunch of existing, and some quite popular blogs on the topic. Those people are more qualified than me. I think just getting into prep would be very interesting & educational (& stressful from the sounds of it) for me. I guess I'm just not sure if this is a good fit for me. (Maybe I should read through More of this thread!? This is all pretty new to me.)

I wonder if maybe I'd be better off trying for Demand Studios (though it's not as professional?) or something. So it'd be easier for me to pick & choose my topics & time spent per week (some weeks are crazier than others)?

herdon, True, it can't hurt to try. It's up to them to pick the best.

[novelette]

tigerlily, yes, if you get hired with About.com, you'll be required to use your real name (the only Guide I've heard of who doesn't is the Guide to Alcoholism -- he's also not required to have a picture up, which everyone else does). Unfortunately, Demand Studios is now also requiring bio photos, although you can use sunglasses, hats and all sorts of other ridiculous tricks to partially obscure your face, if you want (you can write under a pseudonym, and I don't see how a pen name and real face go hand in hand, but whatever). But do read through the rest of this thread -- you might be surprised to learn that you want to give About.com a try.

[herdon]

Most of the better content sites are going with the name/photo. It's a move away from wikis where the information you get is anonymous -- people are starting to realize that anonymous information isn't always trustworthy.

[Nefertiti Baker]

About.com drives me bonkers. I've applied several times and can never seem to catch the topic before it goes into Prep. Ugh! I wish they had a news feed or something that would alert you to new listings. How irritating. I'm super qualified, too. :P

Hmph. Well, I tried again. That's all you can do, right?

[Kathleen Roberts]

Yup, you're right. My first couple of applications drove me crazy because I was so excited to find out if I would make it to prep. Now I just assume I won't but still keep applying if I find something I'm qualified for. At this point, if they decided to invite me to prep, I'd probably pass out from shock. ;)

[nickelnm]

I have applied to be a guide for About.com for the fifth time (haven't been accepted to prep yet ever). I seem to always be late to the party as they usually hire a guide at around 10 weeks (my application being 10 weeks old).

This time its been longer and I just checked the status says my application is still on file, but they are working with a group of applicants. Its a regional topic so, i hoped it would be a little easier to get into.

[nickelnm]

Well. my topic is gone from the list of available topics, but still no guide. I haven't gotten the automated message from About.com yet either tell me that someone has been hired. Maybe they quit accepting applications and are just trying to get through the ones they have - one can hope.

[princessvessna]

Well. my topic is gone from the list of available topics, but still no guide. I haven't gotten the automated message from About.com yet either tell me that someone has been hired. Maybe they quit accepting applications and are just trying to get through the ones they have - one can hope.

Usually that does mean that someone has been chosen. They give you approximately 2 weeks on average to get the site up and going. I think they send out the automated notice once the new site goes live.

That's not set in stone and there have been times when they had to go back and get another Prep group. Either way, I wish you the best of luck!

[WriteOn]

Hello all! Have read the entire thread with great interest, but have a number of unanswered questions about compensation and site management tools I'm hoping actual Guides can help with.

I have a great deal of experience in a topic that is currently available, writing specifically for the web, SEO, and driving quality traffic to a website, so growing both the content and page views won't be a problem at all.

The missing piece for me is what "incentives for pageview growth" means in real world terms. If I double the total monthly page views for a well trafficked site over a 2 year period, what kind of bonuses can I realistically expect over the $675 per month stipend?

I'm also a bit concerned by the statement "About.com pays Guides by measuring pageview growth month-over-month for Guides in their first year".

I have extensive contacts in radio and TV, and getting spots talking about my topic will not be difficult at all. This could lead to a HUGE spike in traffic on the occasions that I choose to mention my About.com site, but then the following month the number could be down if I don't have another appearance scheduled.

Does this mean that my bonus would disappear, just because my monthly views went down, even if the following month total is still higher than when I took over the site? I have absolutely no problem with performance based bonuses, but I'm not about to use my media leverage if it will hurt my month-over-month gain requirements and continued bonus payments.

Given the significant time commitment the vetting process involves I do not want to invest a month of hard work in something that I may not even deem personally worthwhile once I find out the actual compensation details.

I know that "some" Guides make over 100k per year, and "many" over 6k per month. I'm well aware that every individual site and Guide is a unique situation and no one can predict what I personally can or will accomplish. What I do want to know is how bonuses are actually calculated rather than the scant marketing hyperbole offered on the Be A Guide pages. I've never come across a single legitimate freelance position in 30 years of professional writing that is so intentionally vague about compensation.

I know that if don't get the position I can sell what I've written elsewhere, but even $1000 isn't in the ballpark of what I currently earn for the amount of time I'd have to invest in prep.

I am more than willing to work long and hard for years to build my site up (I've done it many times before in other corners of the web) but I'm not about to do a month of full time work for $250 unless I know what the real compensation structure and can realistically weigh the long term earning potential of the position.

On the topic of site optimization, does About.com offer traffic log information to their guides? Specifically, do you have the opportunity to analyze exactly where your traffic is coming from, what search terms are being used, and how the visitors are navigating through the site? For example, will I have access to the log info which will tell me that visitors finding my site with search phrase "xyz" are leaving right away, while those who came via phrase "abc" are sticking around to read 3-4 pages on average?

I will be immensely appreciative for any insights that will help clarify some of these areas for me.

Thanks so very much!

[herdon]

The bonus traffic incentive is based on year over year growth, which means it compares how much your site grew from the same month last year. For guides in their first year, there isn't a month in the previous year to compare it to, so it is based on month over month growth. Once you get past the first 12 months, it will begin comparisons to the year previous, which usually mean larger bonus incentives.

About.com has metrics reporting based on articles, keyword phrases, etc. It's not going to track user paths through the guide site, but you'll get an idea of how people are getting to the site and what articles are popular.

[WriteOn]

Thanks for the quick reply herdon!

The bonus traffic incentive is based on year over year growth, which means it compares how much your site grew from the same month last year. For guides in their first year, there isn't a month in the previous year to compare it to, so it is based on month over month growth. Once you get past the first 12 months, it will begin comparisons to the year previous, which usually mean larger bonus incentives.

I get that, but this just reiterates what I already know from the Be A Guide page. What I'm looking for is actual numbers.

Is the bonus based on % of growth over the prior month/year, is it based on x number of additional page views, and in either case, what does x growth translate into in actual compensation.

If guides are not allowed to post such details publicly, I welcome any insights via PM.

Also, I'm still wanting to know what the impact of offline publicity would be if it results in a huge spike in traffic one month but not the next.

For example, if total page views are:

- 100k in month one
- 115k in month two
- 225k month three following a TV appearance
- 150k in month four

Am I not going to receive any bonus compensation for month 4 because it's down from the prior month even though total traffic is up significantly from two months prior?

About.com has metrics reporting based on articles, keyword phrases, etc. It's not going to track user paths through the guide site, but you'll get an idea of how people are getting to the site and what articles are popular.

That's deeply disappointing. From a serious SEO perspective knowing how visitors are navigating through a site is the second most important thing you can track after knowing how they arrived at the site in the first place.

If you don't know which links they're clicking on each page, there's no way to truly optimize your content for maximum page views. You're only making guesses as to what works rather than testing and tracking actual results.

[princessvessna]

They have all sorts of different stats available. It's really not THAT disappointing :) So much more info than, say. Examiner. I've managed to get lots of articles to #1 in Google now, so it's good enough. I can see where links are coming in, what people are searching, what labels are getting hits and more.

As for the compensation - it's a whole formula that they use.

I think for month 4 you would just get the $675 since it went down so much, but the year after you would be doing pretty well probably and get a nice fat bonus.

It takes time to get these things going, site-wise and pay-wise. I absolutely love working there. I would say just worry about trying to get the job first, and know that if you put in as much work as it sounds like you could, you'd probably be to a nice paygrade in not too long. :D

[WriteOn]

I've managed to get lots of articles to #1 in Google now, so it's good enough.

I'm glad that you're content and loving what you do! That's all that matters ultimately. That said, the fact that you are able to get #1 articles has nothing to do with how limited any serious optimization endeavor is without such vital statistics. Using nothing but the metrics on how a person navigates through a site it's entirely possible to triple page views by rigorously testing different links, their placement on the page and countless other variables. Given that payment at About.com is based on page views, not being able to take these things into account is leaving a ridiculous amount of money on the table.

Sure, you can just write more articles, but personally I prefer working harder and smarter at the same time.

As for the compensation - it's a whole formula that they use.

Exactly, and that is the formula I am wanting to thoroughly understand. Why on earth would I devote a month of full time effort for just the chance to have a job, when I don't even know what the actual compensation entails!

For a passionate hobbyist, I get how such ambiguity may not be a big deal. But that's not me. I make a full time living and support my family with my work, and I'm not going to bother going out for something without understanding fully how my efforts are going to be evaluated and compensated.

I think for month 4 you would just get the $675 since it went down so much, but the year after you would be doing pretty well probably and get a nice fat bonus.

You think? I feel like I've gone down the rabbit hole here... there are dozens of Guides posting in this thread. Am I to understand that most, if not all, don't even fully understand exactly how their compensation is worked out?

It takes time to get these things going, site-wise and pay-wise. I absolutely love working there. I would say just worry about trying to get the job first, and know that if you put in as much work as it sounds like you could, you'd probably be to a nice paygrade in not too long. :D

I am utterly comfortable with a pay for performance situation, in fact, it's an environment I thrive in. I also completely understand that the real rewards come from a long term investment of time and energy. Every successful business I've owned has taken the same resolve and commitment to yield fruit, but I'm not going to "worry" at all, or even try to get a position where no one seems to fully understand, or is able to clearly articulate, exactly how compensation and bonuses are calculated! :)

[princessvessna]

I only do online writing for a living, so About is a huge chunk of my pay (and I am my sole support, so I don't get to fall back on someone else's salary when considering if my site is worth it). For now I also do a lot of work at Demand so I can get the student and car loans paid off quicker.

I don't know that I can say the exact formula or not (it also has variables depending on your own personal site, etc., so I really can't say what your potential site could make for the bonuses even if I wanted to)

I will say that yes, I do know that you would be lower that 4th month. I was erring on the side of caution, but I will say that much. (I know I'm still vague, but I really don't know how much I should say since I am just a Guide, not HR). They have a calculator available that I play around with all the time so I can see how many PV I need to get for my own personal monetary goals. I do understand how my wages are calculated.

I don't get #1 things just by writing lots of articles. I do a lot of research for it all and tweaking of course! I also happen to do a lot of social media work on places like Twitter, which works really well for things like gardening. But perhaps it would be good to see if the developers could add that extra tracking :)

Each site also has its own quirks. Someone like jobsearch has generally year-round appeal since people are always looking for jobs. I am somewhat more seasonal and can't wait until things get REALLY hopping in spring. There's other factors that can come into play.

What site are you interested in? You can PM me with it if you don't want to say it out loud.

Is it really a month for Prep now? I think that would make it a little easier to get Prep done around other jobs, and they are looking more for the right voice and style rather than quantity.

I did an older version where it was something like 17 days straight while I was employed full time. I had a list of 6 specific articles I had to write, plus some other things and something like 3 check-ins along the way. A lot of people went hog-wild with the article writing in that version of Prep, from what I've read here.

I personally was just over the minimum (didn't help that I was sick the weekend before my final review on Monday) but still got the gig. Doesn't mean I'm saying only try to do the min, of course, just relating my own experience :D Hectic but fun. I had the magic experience of having my site go live only a month after I even applied (quite unusual).

I still say just apply and see if you get into Prep (hopefully) :D

[WriteOn]

First, thank you for the lengthy reply!

I realize that my tone could have been misconstrued as adversarial, when in fact it's really just frustration at the shocking lack of detail available on the pay scale.

I'm just amazed that an organization which requires significant professional credentials for candidates (in at least some categories) would expect applicants of this caliber to invest any time up front without presenting a clear understanding of how they will be rewarded for their efforts over the long term if they are offered the position.

I also suspect this is why the category I am looking at has gone without a guide for a long time.

I don't know that I can say the exact formula or not (it also has variables depending on your own personal site, etc., so I really can't say what your potential site could make for the bonuses even if I wanted to)

I completely understand that there are many variables, but there also must be a basic formula by which compensation is calculated even if different benchmarks and multipliers are category dependent. A basic understanding of this in practical real world numbers (not dollar figures) is all I am seeking.

I will say that yes, I do know that you would be lower that 4th month. I was erring on the side of caution, but I will say that much.

It makes perfect sense that the bonus should be lower when page views have declined. What I need to understand is whether all bonus compensation will be lost simply because of a decline or if that bonus would simply go down proportionately.

They have a calculator available that I play around with all the time so I can see how many PV I need to get for my own personal monetary goals. I do understand how my wages are calculated.

Then please illuminate me! I'm not looking for a public posting of your actual dollar figures. I just want a general understanding of what that calculator illustrates!

Over your current PV, how much of an increase would be needed to increase your monthly compensation by 20%, 50%, 100%?

If you can double your PV over the course of a year, how much of an increase in compensation would that translate into (percentage wise not dollars) over your current pay?

I don't get #1 things just by writing lots of articles. I do a lot of research for it all and tweaking of course!

My apologies if my post seemed to imply that you're getting top spots in the SERPS by just writing alone. I was only pointing out that search engine keyword analysis is only a small piece of on site optimization. When it comes to increasing page views, being able to track where users click off a page is almost as invaluable as knowing how they got there.

I still say just apply and see if you get into Prep (hopefully) :D

Alas, that's just not going to happen until I get a clearer picture of exactly how compensation works.

Sure, applying takes practically no time at all, but if the topic goes into prep a few days later this is the bare minimum I'd need to know before I invest a single minute more.

It's great to hear that the revised prep is less burdensome than it was years back, but I'm not in the habit of investing (time or money) in any professional endeavor without being able to rationally asses its relative merits.

That's just due diligence 101. :)

[runningbiking]

The way About pays takes a little while to understand. I think we're also bound by some confidentiality agreement, and I'm sure no one wants to give out their personal figures.

Guide compensation is not just based on page views. It is based on site revenue (ads) AND page views. Because it would be hard for a new site to get alot of ad revenue in the beginning, you're protected by the stipend until your site can generate some money. New guides are still protected by the stipend, right?

Every site gets a rate after the first year (based on the ad sales) and the formula is based on that. I think that's the reason you can actually make the same if your page views drop one year- your site 'rate' could have increased b/c you've been around longer. Make sense?

I can say that About has an amazing system for SEO. My 'real' job is as an editor in custom pubs, and I've never seen such immediate search engine results. I've worked at other mainstream mags when we launched our websites, and it was never as fast as About. It's a pretty amazing system. I don't work many hours on my site and I wish I could do more this year, but my page views astonish me all the time.

I also know some of the numbers of guides that started with me a few years ago (and can devote 20+ hrs/week on their site) and their page views are staggering. As a result, their compensation works out to a significant amount per hour. It's more than we pay our freelance writers (and we pay pretty well).

[Sepvalia]

WriteOn,

It is difficult for Guides to reveal how the compensation plan works because it is also based on revenue, as runningbiking stated. That makes the resulting compensation different for each site.

I would suggest that if you are not willing to settle for the stipend for at least the first few months, then it is not worth your time. Some sites can see a quick increase in their pageviews and subsequently their compensation. Other new Guides may have not-so-popular topics that take longer to get off the ground, but do well in the long run.

Over your current PV, how much of an increase would be needed to increase your monthly compensation by 20%, 50%, 100%?

I can calculate my own personal increase, but that doesn't mean the same calculation would apply to another Guide. My own calculation would even be different in a few months.

If you can double your PV over the course of a year, how much of an increase in compensation would that translate into (percentage wise not dollars) over your current pay?

Again, the system is dynamic and there is the stipend to fall back on for new Guides. This depends on the individual Guide and their PV's. Of course if Sally is getting 2000 PV's and doubles it to 4000PV's, it's a whole different story than if Billy has 200,000 PV's and doubles it.

I know it sounds vague, but we are using discretion here. What I can tell you is that the system works very well for you if you post content frequently. I'm in my second year and making more money at home than I ever did in the office. :D

My personal scenario might not apply to everyone, but it is very possible. To a lot of people, it is certainly at least worth $675 a month to post three blog posts and a couple articles a week at the bare minimum. It also gets your name and face out there as an authority on your subject, which is priceless, IMO.

[herdon]

Yeah, I'm not going into specifics either. I'm not aware either way of whether or not About.com frowns upon divulging details about their Guide payment system, but since it is not spelled out in more detail on the website, I won't go into more detail.

Suffice to say that you'll get what you put into it and, if you are good with SEO and have a site that lends itself (at least somewhat) to evergreen material, you should do well. But as with any site, it could take a while to build up.

[esp]

Hi everyone, I went into prep about 2 weeks ago and after reading this thread (all 135 pages!) was panicking to get a massive amount of content written during stage 1 (which required me to write 5-6 articles and 3 blog posts on supplied topics and submit as Word docs). I'm also going on vacation soon so I've been working around the clock on writing as much as possible due to the stories on this board.

The stage 2 acceptance email, though, says that I can write more if I want, but not writing any more will not affect at all their hiring decision. I don't know if I can relax or not; I have all the pieces posted in the About system per the stage 2 email, but there are a lot of topics for my guidesite I haven't covered yet.

Does anyone have any info/experience with this new version of prep? It's strange how the thread has quieted down (about the time the new version of prep started?).

[novelette]

Hi esp,

I went through old and new prep, and I thought new prep was less stressful since they stressed that you don't have to write a ton of content. What they seem to be more concerned with is that you have the voice they're looking for and that your style is good for the Web. They want typo-free content since you post live to the site, so IMO, quality is what you should focus on.

I wrote more than the minimum requirements, mainly because I'd posted all of my content to the prep site by the second day of the second phase and I had a lot of time on my hands. But I don't think I went overboard. I did make a point to have one piece of content OR link to relevant content in each category, though -- I had 12 categories. I also heard that some Guides did the minimum and got the gig so obviously, they had what About is looking for.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

[esp]

Thanks so much for the reply! I had plans to write something to cover all the "topics this site should cover" application description, and I have some written, but just don't know if I'll have a chance to add them all since I'll be traveling. Good to know that it's possible to make it with the minimum, though I am concerned that I've gotten comments back about commas inside of quotes or things like that (only a couple of corrections, though).

Funny thing is that I was a Guide ten years ago for another topic (and didn't find prep then stressful at all for some reason); I like the one I'm prepping for now much better, though, and think it's something I can write about indefinitely.

Anyway, thanks again for the response!

[princessvessna]

I did old style prep and just barely did over the minimum (a good part due to the fact that I was feeling rather sick that weekend before final review and managed to eke out one of the requireds and a little bit more only). So in theory you should be just fine.

Ditto on the typos. It is of course best to have it absolutely typo-free, but before one of my check-ins I managed not to turn off my subscript in a blog post, which caused the whole rest of the page to be tiny. I had other minor corrections here and there too.

So do your very very best, of course, but sounds like you're doing what you can.

[esp]

Thanks, princessvessna! I had the same open tag issue causing the remaining blog posts to be tiny. I guess by now About must be used to seeing stuff like that ;)

And I definitely have to check your guidesite out soon. Preparing for spring and hoping my Japanese maple does better this year.

[Uncarved]

Well I applied to a spot that is still on the list on 1-16. So its been over 8 weeks now and when I click to get the status of my ap I get "We have not had a chance to review your application. We review applications and work with potential candidates in small groups, so it may take up to eight weeks before we're able to review your submission."

Is there any way to email a person at About to check up and see whats up with it? I'm really really getting angsty to see if I'm going to get into Prep or not...

[herdon]

There isn't anything anyone at About.com is going to say to you besides that prep hasn't started for that topic and they are still reviewing applications. They need 3-5 solid candidates before they go into prep.

[Uncarved]

Thanks herdon. I guess I will just keep waiting.

[K-Mark]

Hi Guys,

About is looking for more guides for more topics, so I thought I'd share this with you...

Currently, About is looking for a Guide for the Wholesalers site. The ideal
candidate will understand the plight of the small business owner/kiosk sales
person as well as the manager/executive of a wholesale business - from
sourcing to merchandising and display - and can write about these issues
with authority.

Also, About is launching a new B2B channel: Industry & Trade. They will be launching 30
new B2B sites this year. So keep your eye on the new topics in Be A Guide Section.

http://beaguide.about.com/gdapplynow.htm

[bwright]

Hi everyone! Have there been any applicants here who have applied for the Social Networking topic? Any idea of how long it's been open? Thanks!

[herdon]

I believe Social Networking has been open for a few months now.

[SweetSolitude]

I applied a few months ago for a topic that's been open for a very long time. My application hasn't even been looked at yet, so I guess they are waiting for more people. Now I am considering applying for one of the contributing writer topics.

I tend to wonder about the topics that seem to be forever open. Wouldn't it be more profitable to the company to have someone writing for those topics instead of just leaving them dormant and gathering dust? For example, the topic I applied for has the potential to be extremely popular given how health-conscious so many people are these days. I just don't understand why it's never been filled.

[IconReline]

Hi all.

I recently was accepted as a "Contributing Writer" for About.com and am a little overwhelmed. I was wondering if anyone else here had any guidance or tips? How frequently should I be submitting articles, and should I do just the bare minimum, or do most do more?

My topic is a little "dry" but I was glad to be accepted and really like all the editors so far. I'm just really nervous about the "trial" period and am having trouble getting started.

Apologies if I'm not posting this in the right place, but I did a search and this seemed most relevant. Thank you!

[SweetSolitude]

Hi all.

I recently was accepted as a "Contributing Writer" for About.com and am a little overwhelmed. I was wondering if anyone else here had any guidance or tips? How frequently should I be submitting articles, and should I do just the bare minimum, or do most do more?

According to the website, contributing writers are expected to submit 12 pieces of content per month. Personally, I would break that down to about 3 articles per week to keep my workload evenly spaced.

Congrats on being accepted! :)

[herdon]

Ultimately, the more content you create, the more you will get paid.

[IconReline]

Thanks :> It was kind of a daunting process!

And I like that they sort of take a "hands-off" approach to management, but this contributing writer program is so new, I think even my guide is sort of at a loss on how to explain it. I'm slowly getting the hang of the SEO thing, ie how crosslinking/etc leads to more pay, which is a bit of a mind-bender coming from an MLA-style background.

Dividing it up per week is a good idea. This is my first month so I'm behind, mostly because before even writing they wanted me to create an outline of all the article ideas I would have for the first two months.

Just worried if I only post "12" per month that it won't hold water during the 3-month evaluation period. (I feel like I'm constantly in some sort of evaluation period!) Of course, I'm probably just being neurotic as per usual.

[IconReline]

Oh, and Sweet Solitude - I didn't hear back on my samples/app for about 6 weeks, and I know the topic had been open for awhile. I think it just takes them time to thoroughly review everything. All in all, the whole process from application to actually going "live" took about three to three and a half months.

[SweetSolitude]

Well, it's been three months for me and my application hasn't been reviewed yet. I imagine it's been shuffled off to the side until they get more apps for that particular topic.

[joolsstone]

I believe Social Networking has been open for a few months now.

Hi, I may be going for this one too. They appear to be one of the more respected outfits out there.

Jools

[joolsstone]

Hi all.

I recently was accepted as a "Contributing Writer" for About.com and am a little overwhelmed. I was wondering if anyone else here had any guidance or tips? How frequently should I be submitting articles, and should I do just the bare minimum, or do most do more?

My topic is a little "dry" but I was glad to be accepted and really like all the editors so far. I'm just really nervous about the "trial" period and am having trouble getting started.

Apologies if I'm not posting this in the right place, but I did a search and this seemed most relevant. Thank you!

Hey, well done! What's your exp been so far, is the learning curve manageable, requests reasonable etc?

Thanks
Jools

[IconReline]

Everyone I've interacted with has been very professional. The guide to my section has been helpful, pleasant, etc.

That being said, it's a relatively "new" position, I think (within past 6 to 9 months?), and the direction has been extremely hands off. I do well with macro-management vs micro, but honestly, even I sometimes feel I could use more direction. The important thing is to be proactive and ask if you have a question. The actual writing is as described. I've been slammed at work this month so am desperately pulling together my last 4 articles tonight/tomorrow. :> Next month, I have a schedule set up to be more organized.

What I've really appreciated is the level of professionalism combined with an informal willingness to help. My advice is to listen to whatever the editors tell you during prep, incorporate suggestions, and just do the best you can. Honestly, so much of this type of stuff comes down to luck.

I'd be interested to know what other contributing writers' experiences are, too.

[jana13k]

Hi guys,

I've searched this thread (but not read every post) for an answer to my question and couldn't find one, so here it is - what happens to your site/articles if you get fired or quit? I know the writer retains the copyright, but about.com has permission to use the work. So if you quit does someone else then take over your site and receive all the rev share from your work?

Thanks!

[herdon]

You receive a partial share paid in quarterly installments if they elect to continue using your content. This is a much smaller portion than you'd get if you were 'live' because About.com's revenue model is based both on overall page views and growth, and you'd only get a part of the overall.

[jana13k]

Thanks, herdon! That answers my question and makes my decision. I was thinking about applying for a guide position, but within two years or so, I will likely be too busy to do it any longer. Think I'll just build up my own website and write some more articles for DS upfront pay. :)

[Uncarved]

Everyone I've interacted with has been very professional. The guide to my section has been helpful, pleasant, etc.

That being said, it's a relatively "new" position, I think (within past 6 to 9 months?), and the direction has been extremely hands off. I do well with macro-management vs micro, but honestly, even I sometimes feel I could use more direction. The important thing is to be proactive and ask if you have a question. The actual writing is as described. I've been slammed at work this month so am desperately pulling together my last 4 articles tonight/tomorrow. :> Next month, I have a schedule set up to be more organized.

What I've really appreciated is the level of professionalism combined with an informal willingness to help. My advice is to listen to whatever the editors tell you during prep, incorporate suggestions, and just do the best you can. Honestly, so much of this type of stuff comes down to luck.

I'd be interested to know what other contributing writers' experiences are, too.

Curious to the contributing writer spots.... did you have to go through a Prep like for other topics, or were you approved and just have a test period where it may/may not work out? I'm curious if you just were offered the spot or if you had to duke it out with a few other writers to get it like Prep is :) thanks for any insight into that.

[WriteUR]

I am a long-time, highly qualified freelance feature writer. I applied to About.com several times, but never heard anything. Then I got an email last week from someone asking if I'd be interested in tackling a topic that was so totally out of my realm of expertise that I was baffled as to why they would even consider me for this. I told them I was totally unqualified. The rep then offered me a list of other topics. I saw one that was perfect for me. This person seemed very eager to bring me on board. I was asked to reapply, and to let the rep know when I had done so. I did so, but didn't hear anything. So I followed up and was told that they needed to gather more applicants. This struck me as strange, since the rep was so eager about me.

I did some investigating and discovered that the company just settled a class action suit filed by former guides, for close to $6 million. The 79 guides involved in the suit claimed they were not duly compensated for their work, among other things. I also found letters of complaint about them on Writer's Weekly. Hmmm....

[princessvessna]

Hi! That sounds odd - I've never heard of that method of contact *shrug*

As for the class action suit - that was for the former owner of About.com (I think Primedia?), not the current owner. They were the ones having problems, so I wouldn't worry about that part. It's now owned by the NY Times (which is pretty darn cool!). I've highly enjoyed working there for over 2 years now.

I am a long-time, highly qualified freelance feature writer. I applied to About.com several times, but never heard anything. Then I got an email last week from someone asking if I'd be interested in tackling a topic that was so totally out of my realm of expertise that I was baffled as to why they would even consider me for this. I told them I was totally unqualified. The rep then offered me a list of other topics. I saw one that was perfect for me. This person seemed very eager to bring me on board. I was asked to reapply, and to let the rep know when I had done so. I did so, but didn't hear anything. So I followed up and was told that they needed to gather more applicants. This struck me as strange, since the rep was so eager about me.

I did some investigating and discovered that the company just settled a class action suit filed by former guides, for close to $6 million. The 79 guides involved in the suit claimed they were not duly compensated for their work, among other things. I also found letters of complaint about them on Writer's Weekly. Hmmm....

[herdon]

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the complaints from Writer's Weekly just out of curiosity.

I wrote for About.com for a bit over 2 years and I'd definitely write for them again. They know what they are doing and everyone at home office was nice. Only reason I left was because I wasn't 100% passionate about my topic and I was pressed for time starting up a new business.

[princessvessna]

Here's what I found by searching for About.com on Writer's Weekly. Also seemed to be from the Primedia time (the last entry is in 2002)

http://writersweekly.com/whispers_and_warnings/about.html

And then someone wrote a letter in saying they'd read the above article and decided not to work with them (in 2004)

http://writersweekly.com/letters_to_the_editor/001118_01142004.html

[herdon]

Yeah, that is all I initially found when I did a search, which made me curious on if that is really what the person is referring to. In my mind, if the only complaints you can find are 8 years old, that's a good sign.

[Uncarved]

Curious to the contributing writer spots.... did you have to go through a Prep like for other topics, or were you approved and just have a test period where it may/may not work out? I'm curious if you just were offered the spot or if you had to duke it out with a few other writers to get it like Prep is :) thanks for any insight into that.


Bumping to try for an answer;)

[AliWolf]

I am being tried out for a job as a guide. I was informed yesterday. I was hoping someone could give me some tips. Thanks in advance.

[AliWolf]

My tryout began last week. I spent a good couple of days just reading the instructions in the lounge, which are voluminous. According to my welcome letter, I am to have five to six articles and three blog posts completed by the end of Stage 1, then I am to build an actual site.

I got my first article in by yesterday's deadline. Then I saw something about I am required to have 10-15 categories completed. They were due today! I saw nothing about this in the welcome letter, and I have no idea what this entails.

I have tried to contact my mentor, but have not heard back. For one, I wanted to confirm that she received my first article.

Could someone please clue me in about this stuff? I'd really appreciate it.

[herdon]

Go to an about.com site like this one:

http://webdesign.about.com/

See where it says "Browse Topic" on the left? The links below that are categories. Just come up with a similar list for your topic. (Try going to a couple of sites to get an idea of what they are looking for in categories.) Shouldn't take too long. If you are taking over a site, you'll have a *really* good idea of what to put down. (Though I wouldn't copy it completely).

[AliWolf]

Go to an about.com site like this one:

http://webdesign.about.com/

See where it says "Browse Topic" on the left? The links below that are categories. Just come up with a similar list for your topic. (Try going to a couple of sites to get an idea of what they are looking for in categories.) Shouldn't take too long. If you are taking over a site, you'll have a *really* good idea of what to put down. (Though I wouldn't copy it completely).

I haven't read all of these posts? Are you going through prep, Herdon? Were the categories due today? I didn't see anything about this in the welcome letter. I am also a bit frustrated about the lack of response from my mentor. Is this the way they work?

[herdon]

I was a guide for two years, but they changed the way prep works so I can't help you on specifics. I don't know what the new welcome letter says. I know that picking categories was well defined in the old prep.

But I can say is one of the things they are looking for are people who are self starters and self reliant. That doesn't mean to avoid asking questions, but things like having good grammar really count a lot when you are going into a publish-first environment.

[herdon]

I always found them to be very nice and fast. There's no doubt more lag time in responses while in prep, but everyone I worked with there was always nice and quick to respond. I certainly wouldn't drop out at this point.

[AliWolf]

I always found them to be very nice and fast. There's no doubt more lag time in responses while in prep, but everyone I worked with there was always nice and quick to respond. I certainly wouldn't drop out at this point.


Thanks again. I finally did hear from them. Turns out the mentor was out sick! (My bad.) This certainly is a nerve-racking process. But they do seem nice. So I will take your advice and stick it out.

[euphoria]

Hello,

I've been lurking for a while and thought this was a good point to jump in since I am an About.com guide. I've been a guide for several years and really enjoy work. They give you a lot of freedom to write about your topic, the other guides are friendly and helpful, and they pay well.

It can be difficult to get started. They have prospective guides go through a prep program where you compete with other potential guides for the same subject. You need to create content and write articles. It works out well if you get the job. But, it can be a bummer if you end up doing all that work without getting paid! So, if you get accepted to the prep program, I'd suggest you spend a lot of time getting the site together upfront.

If you haven't already read this page, it's a good source of info: http://beaguide.about.com/index.htm

Good luck!

Hi Jaime:

Thanks for that. I was wondering if you get paid for being a guide or is it a labor of love?

[herdon]

Here's their page on compensation:

http://beaguide.about.com/gdcomp.htm

[DianaPrice]

I have a question about topics and keeping things updated. I am trying to find good topics to apply for to be a guide, and I was thinking about applying for Downs Syndrome, as I am a registered nurse who has experience working with developmentally disabled and downs populations. But I was wondering - after a certain amount of articles are posted, at a certain point when the topic is sort of covered on the basics, do you still have to keep coming up with a high volume of full articles, or do you focus more on blog updates on news in your topic? Does there come a time on somewhat limited topics where you have sort of developed your site and focus on just blogging? I'm afraid if I was selected, after a year or two I would sort of run out of things to say except new research developments or the occasional news story.

[DianaPrice]

Also, does anyone know what kind of topics do best at About (recognizing the guide has much to do with driving topic) such as entertainment being a big traffic topic at most sites, like Examiner.com? Or is there just enough sheer volume of traffic even those with smaller, more obscure topics can do well?

[lastlittlebird]

It might just be me, but I have applied for several positions over the last 4-5 months and have yet to hear back on any of them. When queried the automatic response is they have yet to be looked at.
So, I think if you have expertise on several subjects, I would just apply for them all and hope for the best. The guaranteed income threshold (for the first year) is high enough that even an obscure topic would be worth cultivating if that's all you end up with. At least, IMHO.
And there's no guarantee that any subjects they are currently advertising as available are actually going to be available by the time they get round to processing your application. So cast a wide net.

[DianaPrice]

I don't want to just apply for everything I'm even remotely qualified for, but something I can make sure I do a good job at and do well with financially with consistent updates

[herdon]

I don't want to just apply for everything I'm even remotely qualified for, but something I can make sure I do a good job at and do well with financially with consistent updates

That was exactly my mistake. I went with a topic that I was qualified for but not really passionate about thinking I could simply switch topics if I didn't like writing for the original topic. If a guide wants to change topics, they have to re-apply and go through 'training' just like everyone else, which sounded fair to me, but I think I actually had a worse chance at getting the topic than non-guides.

That's one reason I decided to leave my topic. I'd love to work for them again, but I want a topic I'm really passionate about that will keep me writing above the minimum.

[AliWolf]

I have been accepted into Stage 2. It looks really hard. Please tell me just how hard it is. Be honest! also, if anyone could give me some pointers, I'd be eternally grateful.

[princessvessna]

Let's go see what Stage 2 is.... (I did a different version of Prep)

Ah, building the site. The tools can be a bit wonky sometimes, but they have lots of documents to help you out.

I'd say use preview a lot as you put things in the tools. Look the published page over before you send it to your editor. I managed to leave most of my blog page teeny on the day of a review since I had forgotten to close a subscript tag. Whoops!

Have you used Wordpress before? That's what our blogs run on.

Looks like there's other bits to do - bio, landing page, etc. I'd just sit down today and read through all of the sections of training materials you've been given and the GI Training section in the Lounge. Keep them open as you work.

Good luck!

[herdon]

At least the tools are a little easier now that they all use HTML instead of some using HTML and some using the customize markup language.

[princessvessna]

Oh that's very true! I am so glad I've forgotten AML :P

[AliWolf]

Thanks.

[MichaelMJones]

I just thought I'd chime in with my recent experience regarding About.com.

I applied for two different Contributing Writer positions. One of which I was extremely well-suited for, the other of which I was reasonably qualified and could pick up as I needed.

They accepted me into a training program for the first position, and I went through the process of writing four articles over four weeks, without pay. They gave me a small list of topics and a little advice, and that was it. I got what clarifications I needed, and set out to deliver the best articles I could. My "trainer" had nothing but praise for me, and any corrections he suggested were minimal and mostly technical. When the time came to submit my revisions, I made sure to hit every point brought up, tighten where needed, and put my best foot forward.

The end result? They decided to go with someone else. Specific quotes included "We reviewed the samples thoroughly with the Guide but ultimately decided it’s in our best interest to work with other writers. It came down to voice and how you were covering the material." and "...some of the info you chose to include and some you chose to leave out in the pieces. Again, a lot of the writing was solid, but we just felt it was best for us to pass and work with other writers."

It felt like I'd been asked to bake a cake of any flavor, given advice on how to bake a very good cake, and then judged by what flavor cake I chose to make. Sigh. (And that position is still listed as open on the site!)

As for the other position? After two months of waiting, I was rejected because they were no longer recruiting.

So that's my About.com story.

[ameliawrites]

It has been such a long time since I have posted. MichaelMJones, so sorry about your experience. I tried to get in to About.com for 10 years and went through Prep twice, before making it. It was very.very.hard.
It is still hard. I love my topic and it certainly is the right one for me, but there is a LOT to the job. Writing is just one little piece.
There are a lot of topics that I could write about. Heck, there are still topics available that I could write about, but there was only ONE topic that was the perfect fit. It has been almost 3 years.

Please try again. About.com is about more than just that one gig. It is a great stepping off point in the writing world. It gives your resume a little more oomph.

Warmly,

Amelia J

[Allison Kelsey]

Hi!

First time poster, long time lurker (even though I *just* finally created a user name last night). :)

I fired off my guide application mere minutes ago. It's for one of the cities. I grew up there, lived there until 2008, and will be moving back there in May. I was torn between applying for this city guide position and the cake decorating guide, but figure there'd be more opportunities for me (the whole "recycle research and write new articles" thing) if I applied for the city guide, and it'd be a great way for me to rediscover my city. :) I also could see myself getting burnt out on guiding about cake decorating.

The only thing I'm paranoid about is the qualifications section on the application.

While I've been published, there's no links I could include. The newspaper I wrote for has long since went out of business, so no more website. The web paper I wrote daily featured obits for... it's still in business, but only two things show up when you search on my name: an short article about my experience working at the print paper (the print paper kinda morphed into the web paper), and a standard obit. *sigh* That's going to look *reeeeeeeeeeally* good if About decides to Google me.

(And, yeah, I've learned my lesson. Never procrastinate in making a clip file. I only had years to start one. :D )

Oh well. Wait and see... wait and see... :) It's all I can do.

[herdon]

When I got my original position at About.com, I didn't have any online credits to link to either. Writing a good sample article goes a long way.

[Allison Kelsey]

When I got my original position at About.com, I didn't have any online credits to link to either. Writing a good sample article goes a long way.

Awesome! :) I did manage to find a theater review I wrote a few years ago for the newspaper I worked for, so I subbed that.

Now I'm in that eight week waiting period. I'm half tempted to email my other paper friends who live in the same city to get them to apply, so we can speed up getting to Prep. ;) (Just kidding; I don't want them for my competition.)

[MichaelMJones]

I was looking at the About.com pages, and I saw they'd made some changes. With regards to the "Contributing Writer" position, it's now "Topic Guide". Instead of the baseline $500 per month they promised, now you get paid by the article. They request something like 6-10 articles per month, at an average of 750 words ... and it's work-for-hire.

Funny, it doesn't look like such a great deal anymore. Ouch. I'm kind of glad they didn't hire me when I tried out for them a while back.

[ameliawrites]

I think these new positions contribute to a guide site? They are going to be filling specific areas of a larger topic I believe; and not having to deal with all the other backend things you do as a Guide.

Since I am swamped right now and don't have a CW on my site, I could be off base on that.

AJ

[herdon]

As Guides, we don't actually know 100% what the Topic Guides will end up doing, so Amelia and I can't give the exact low down on the new positions.

I think the issue with the CW positions was that the # of articles per month may have been a bit much for some positions. I don't know the exact details on why they flipped things around, that's just my guess. I was always excited about the program myself.

Topic Guides are paid per article and I think there's the potential for growth bonuses, but don't quote me.

[inkkognito]

I am so excited! I'm in the prep program at About.com after trying to get in for probably two or three years. I'm going to devour this whole thread to pull out as many tips as I can. While this topic would not be my first choice, it's still something I'm passionate about and that I write about for print magazines. I'd love to translate that to my online writing, especially with a great company like About. I know one Guide personally, and she loves writing for them.

[herdon]

Prep has changed since this thread started. I remember people talking about writing 50+ articles during prep in the old format, but the new format doesn't put an emphasis on quantity. It's more about quality.

Good luck in training.

[inkkognito]

Thanks for the good luck wish! I turned in a blog post tonight; I felt like it was kind of dry, but I wanted feedback on a shorted piece before turning in something longer. I already have a lengthy piece from the required list drafted out and almost ready to go, depending on the blog feedback.

There is a perfect topic for me in the Topic Guide list in case this doesn't pan out. I'm hoping it doesn't move into prep, or whatever they do with topics, before this prep session is over. That would be just my luck. I like the topic I'm going for now much better, but the other one fits perfectly with one of my lines of work and my book topic.

[Uncarved]

After five years, my topic is fixing to come up again for application. I have just received word that the guide left. I was in prep for this topic in 2006 and it came down to me and him. He won (obviously). I have more experience and platform in the topic now and I'm incredibly nervous as I wait for the application section for the topic to come available.


Wanted to ask two questions.

What happens to the previous guide's content when it is taken over by a new guide?
and
Do you go through prep as if its a new topic (make a FAQ, glossary, etc while in prep) even if that content is already on the site?

[herdon]

The new policy is to keep the old content in place. The only real differences in going into prep for an existing site vs a new site are (1) you don't have to come up with categories and (2) you'll probably want to search the site before writing an article to make sure you aren't duplicating content.

Prep has changed a lot from 2006. You'll start out writing a few articles without access to the tools in the first weeks, then you'll fit those articles to the tools in the next weeks. It also has a lot less emphasis on quantity of content.

But knowing the basic ideas of the templates will help you in that you can write for them from the start.

Good luck.

[Uncarved]

Thanks so much for the reply herdon. Its good to know that the framework of the site stays the same then and I just fill in around it.

[inkkognito]

Got a message today that instructions will be coming for phase 2, so it looks like I made it through the first part of the evaluation. I can't wait to start filling in content with the tools! This is so nerve-wracking, but exciting too.

[inkkognito]

I've immersed myself deeply in the About.com content management tools, despite the fact that I spent nearly a whole day without internet access (someone cut a cable and knocking out the whole town) and then a bad bout of malware that cost me another half day. I'm really enjoying myself as I see my page come together, although I have a nagging worry that I'm doing something wrong without realizing it. Oh well, I'm doing my best, and I'm really hoping to get this gig because it would be a blast to write about this topic regularly. I enjoy travel writing, but sometimes I need a change of pace. I'm a little lonely; sure wish there were others here in prep like in the early days of this thread.

[garbo]

Hi Folks,
It feels a bit rude using my first post to ask a question, but I came across this thread after a Google search and it's full of great info. I'm getting set to apply to a Contributing Writer position that's just opened up. It just screams for me to apply -- I fit what they're looking for perfectly. I just have one question, and I hope someone on here will have some idea...

I have to include a writing sample, and I'm considering a few options. I don't yet have a sense of which would best:

1) an excerpt from some teaching material I wrote last year that's directly relevant to the topic..
2) an article I wrote for Demand Studios that's also right on topic... or..
3) something custom-written for the application.

Is it a bad idea to use something you wrote for another online content company (Demand Studios) when applying to About? I imagine it could be... they do compete for search position, advertisers and clicks, after all...

And will it be held against me that I don't as yet have much of an online presence? I have plenty of writing experience and the right kind of professional experience for this CW position. I only recently started a blog and as yet don't have much of an online presence or many publications online, but know my way around online.

Any input is greatly appreciated. I'm ready for disappointment, but I really want this position.

[herdon]

Honestly, it won't make any difference whether or not the piece has been published or not. They are going to be looking at the quality of the writing. Ordinarily, I'd say avoid using Demand Studios for anything to do with a resume or applying for a job since they don't have a reputation for having good quality content, but in this instance, it's going to be your words that are going to matter.

Choose the one you are most proud of and that fits the topic.

Good luck.

[princessvessna]

When I applied, I wrote something custom for the topic (I was a new writer anyways, so didn't have anything published yet). It now resides on my site :)
Good luck!

[inkkognito]

One caution on Demand: I've written for them for years and love it, but it's not the "voice" that About.com is looking for so a custom sample is probably better. I recently got a Guide position with About.com, and during the prep one of the comments was to use a more friendly voice. I realized that my internal editor was stifling me because I'm so used to the Demand formats, so once I was able to let go of that, I did fine and got the position.

[princessvessna]

Yes, go look over the topics related to yours for an idea of the voice. It's supposed to be more like you're talking to a friend and teaching them something. Of course, you don't go delving into text speech or anything, but it's nicer than the boooooooorring Demand way. IMO :)

[garbo]

These are great tips, thanks!

Based on what you're saying, I've opted against using a Demand article -- I can see how the voice might be a little too detached for an About site. I spent a few hours reading a few About pages to get a feel for the "voice," and it's much more conversational and personable than Demand. The Demand voice is boring, unfortunately, although in many other ways it's great writing for them.

I'm going to custom-write something. It just seems like the best approach based on observation and the above advice.

Thanks again -- I'll be sending in the application within the next few days, I'll be sure to let the thread know how it goes.

[inkkognito]

Don't worry if you don't hear anything immediately. I was contacted for prep 4 weeks after I put in my application.

[inkkognito]

I know a lot of messages from July were lost when the site went down so there's a big gap, but in the meantime I successfully completed prep for About.com, finished initial site work, and went live: http://petsupplies.about.com

If anyone else wanders over and has any questions about the prep process or anything else, please feel free to ask. I'd love to help others because this thread was a huge help to me.

[herdon]

I believe I already congratulated you, but it was no doubt lost in the crash, so: congrats!

[moth]

Me too -- I remember congratulating you here but I totally forgot that it probably fell into the maw. At least you saw my post in your other thread! :)

[inkkognito]

Thanks! It was quite funny when my site went live because I had no idea that it was going to happen on that particular day. I was working on the prep site, and suddenly I got an error that I do not have access. Uh oh! Had a bit of a panic, emailed Support, and went out shopping. Returned to find the email that I was now live. Whew! I thought things would wind down after prep, but I'm even busier now because there are so many things I plan to do with the site.

[inkkognito]

Isn't anyone going to go for the Fiction Writing topic in Careers? Seems like it's been out there forever. About.com actually has some good topics open at the moment: http://beaguide.about.com/gdapplynow.htm (you have to scroll down through the Spanish language topics).

[Uncarved]

After five years, my topic is fixing to come up again for application. I have just received word that the guide left. I was in prep for this topic in 2006 and it came down to me and him. He won (obviously). I have more experience and platform in the topic now and I'm incredibly nervous as I wait for the application section for the topic to come available.



?

Well three months after the guide vacated the position, it just hit the "taking applications" spot yesterday. I applied :) Now the wait to see if I make it into prep yet AGAIN for this topic.

[inkkognito]

Good luck!

They recently changed their compensation plan, but it's pretty similar to what you would make before as a new Guide. They just tied it into completing certain tasks, but they're the same amount of work you'd be doing to make your site a success anyway.

[moth]

Good luck Tina! Fingers crossed.

Debating about whether to apply for a TG position. It's been open for at least a couple of weeks so I don't know. Been down that road before.

[inkkognito]

Go for it, Moth! What have you got to lose? The trick is to apply and then forget about it while you immerse yourself in other projects. Ironically, I had forgotten my application when I got the notice I was accepted into prep. I almost deleted it as spam before I realized, "Whoa!"

[moth]

What have you got to lose?

Didn't think of it that way. By now I'm good at applying to About and then forgetting about it. :tongue

That's hilarious about your welcome to prep email. Good thing you opened it! :D

Thanks ink. I think maybe I will apply, take the weekend to laze over each part then sub it on Monday. Or Tuesday b/c of the holiday.

Thanks again! :)

[stevem76]

Really interesting thread - and good luck to those applying for the role.

For those already writing for About.com, can you please give an indication of the average amount of time you spend working on your site each week or month?

I'm hoping it will fit in amongst my other writing and working commitments as there is a topic currently available that would be perfect!

Thanks!

[FrederickCross]

Right at this moment, the Fiction Writing section seem to be in need of a "Guide". I don't work for them so, don't take it as gospel ;)

Just tryin' to help.

[inkkognito]

Fiction Writing has been out there for quite a while now, which surprises me. I think it's from the career standpoint rather than the fiction writing standpoint.

I'm still pretty new at About.com (haven't had my three-month review yet), so I spend a lot of time on my site. Never really added up the hours, but the articles take me longer to write than those I do for sites like Demand and Examiner. My topic (http://petsupplies.about.com) calls for lots of photos, as well as lots of research/product reviewing, so it's the equivalent of a part-time job. You have to do a lot of organizing when you're new, too, but that's slowly falling into place so I think the time I spend will cut down some eventually.

[herdon]

The Fiction Writing topic is in prep at the moment, so anyone that wanted to apply should wait 3-4 weeks to see if it disappears from the list.

[sandyc27]

Hi Everyone,
I've been snooping around here for the last week. Applied for a topic ~it will be 8 weeks ago on Monday. Been reading some posts this is a good sign, and then again, not a good sign. Going to take it as good sign being my first application was 2 years ago, and within the first 4 weeks got rejected. I have enough experience but not the publications. Lots of great tips here. Any thoughts? Wish everyone the best! :)

[inkkognito]

I would take it as a good thing, as long as you still see the topic showing as available. It took me at least a couple of months to get put into prep; I had already forgotten about my application. Good luck! Prep is rigorous, but for me the end result is worth it.

[herdon]

Hi Everyone,
I've been snooping around here for the last week. Applied for a topic ~it will be 8 weeks ago on Monday. Been reading some posts this is a good sign, and then again, not a good sign. Going to take it as good sign being my first application was 2 years ago, and within the first 4 weeks got rejected. I have enough experience but not the publications. Lots of great tips here. Any thoughts? Wish everyone the best! :)

There's a link on the beaguide page (http://beaguide.about.com/index.htm)that will let you check the status of an application. So long as it says something about still looking for applicants (can't remember the exact wording) you are good. If it says something like 'we are currently working with a group of candidates' the topic has gone into prep but they are holding your application just in case they don't find any of the current candidates to be right for the position.

[sandyc27]

Thanks Inkkognito! The topic still is available, I forgot to mention. I was reading on this thread just how intense prep is, and I can understand how vital topic knowledge is. Been writing since I was a single digit age. We shall see.
Thanks so much Herdon for the info! When I check the application status it says we have yet to review your application, how it may take up to 8 weeks. Nothing that you mentioned yet, but I will check the status for this week.
Even though my husband is a computer guru, still he admits html and coding aside from database programming are not his forte. I did take a class on basic html with my virtual assistant certification, but it was like 2 years ago. SEO is my weakness right now. I think I am just worried because this will be my first official PAID/ongoing writing gig if I do get through prep. And haven't practiced Wordpress since the VA classes...hmmm maybe I need a blog to play around with...I have a huge learning curve ahead of me.
Can I ask what topic you have Inkkognito and Herdon? Thanks so much for the advice! :)

[herdon]

My topic is the link in my signature.

I wouldn't worry about SEO right now. I didn't know anything about SEO until I started with About.com on my first topic around 3 years ago or so. Learned a lot about it since. The basic rules of SEO are pretty easy, though recent Google changes mean a bit more work on our behalf.

The HTML needed is pretty basic. Paragraph tags, bold tags, italic tags and the ability to code links will be 90% of what you need and doing lists will probably be the other 10%. You could probably find an editor that would do the conversion for you.

[Uncarved]

Prep hasn't started for my topic yet, nine weeks since applying. I'm crossing fingers for it. I waited since May (when it was abandoned) for it to come up for application, I can wait a while more for them to pick a prep team :)

[sandyc27]

Herdon ~ great topic! When I read your bio, I felt like I was reading my hubby's or dad's bio! I had a VIC 20 and used to do binary code and simple programming with my dad, hearing Issac Aminov stories and watching Star Trek and Dr. Who! Still a sci-fi/ fantasy buff, married one too. Just got him a Xoom for his new line of work- its wonderful- wished I had checked your site to learn more about the ipad.
Uncarved~ looks like we are both waiting. Monday mark 8 weeks for me~ hope you get good news! What is your topic?

[Uncarved]

Same one I was in prep for in 2006, Radio controlled vehicles. I own a hobbyshop and a RC track, I'm hoping since I do it professionally and personally they'll let me squeak in.

[sandyc27]

That's great Uncarved! Hope this time around is what you were waiting for~ and that it makes all the struggle and energy output worthwhile!

[herdon]

Just FYI, they've done some restructuring in the last couple of months to streamline the content teams, support teams, etc. Since editorial was part of the prep process and it had some major changes applied to it, there could be some residual delay on prep classes getting started. Though I'm sure prep is one of their top priorities, so any delay would probably be minimal.

[Uncarved]

There were four topics listed in the hobbies section application form, now there are two. At least there moving them along. Mine is still one of the two still listed. It can't be tooooo much longer.

[inkkognito]

I've seen new Guides announced and we've got lots of recent additions on the mailing list, so it looks like things are moving along, even though there may be delays.

Don't worry about the HTML or Wordpress. I use Blogger and picked up Wordpress just by playing with it. For HTML, the main tags I use are <p>,<b>,<ul>,<ol>, and <li>, just about as basic as you can get. As Herdon said, don't worry about SEO right off the bat. During prep they want to see how you write, if you can learn the tools, and if you are a good overall fit. Then you get into the nitty-gritty if you make it through.

[sandyc27]

Herdon ~ I see how that would slow things down
Uncarved ~ Yes, hopefully not too much longer
Inkkognito ~ Thanks for the tips! Yes that is basic html. What about keywords or metatags? Are those needed?

[inkkognito]

Yes, there are places to fill those in in the templates, but they don't seem to judge you too harshly in that area during prep as long as your content is solid. Keep it in mind but don't concentrate your main efforts there initially.

[sandyc27]

Ok I see thanks! :)

[sandyc27]

How is everyone?
For me, quite busy while I wait, will be less busy in a few days so I think I will prepare a few things ahead of time in case I am one of the ones chosen for prep.
Monday will mark 9 weeks waiting. Still thankful my topic is still up.
Uncarved ~ have you heard anything yet?

[Uncarved]

Haven't heard anything.
Hobbies went from four topics in application list to two. Mine is still there. I'm hopeful that in a few weeks I'll hear something. I know they get slower in the fall and winter.

[sandyc27]

Oh wow, was hoping you heard good news. Slower during this time, wow wonder if it's the holidays...

[inkkognito]

I know someone whose prep is just ending, so hopefully that means the start of another group soon.

[sandyc27]

Oh wow, thanks inkkognito! Well I won't be too busy for the next few weeks, so I am just hoping if chosen for prep, it will be very soon. :)

[sandyc27]

Just curious: Is it usual to be waiting past 3 months for a yes/no answer to get into prep?

[sandyc27]

Ok so I have another question: This week I have the rare opportunity to be in a local commercial, though it may be more than local, that has to do with a popular local children's spot. It is related to the topic I applied for. My question is there a way to let about.com know of my first media credit, since I applied 9 weeks ago? Just wondering if this may help my chances? I looked online and can't see where I can email this sort of info without applying again.Thanks so much!

[sandyc27]

Wow, everyone must be truly busy with their writing and projects in general. Being busy is good. Has anyone heard about their topic yet? I haven't heard either way, it's been 12 weeks. It still says the same response. Hope everyone is well!

[Uncarved]

Nothing here yet either. Still not in prep though so that is a good sign. I don't expect to hear from them in December.

[sandyc27]

Wow, Uncarved! It is still the same autoresponse from the 1st week after applying. Ok, so no news is good news for now. I have some things coming up in the new year, things to finish up, and so hoping to get good news THIS month instead of next, but it is what it is. Thanks for your response!

[sandyc27]

I am guessing for a number of reasons I am waiting so long, 14 weeks. Other than contacting about.com with the customer care form, and not being too forward or annoying, is there a way to find out if the topic has gone into prep? Thanks so much! Uncarved I see your topic is still listed ~ 15 weeks for you right?

[inkkognito]

Back when this thread was very active, you could tell at least some of the prep topics because the people in prep would hang out here. Alas, it seems like those days are gone.

[herdon]

I am guessing for a number of reasons I am waiting so long, 14 weeks. Other than contacting about.com with the customer care form, and not being too forward or annoying, is there a way to find out if the topic has gone into prep? Thanks so much! Uncarved I see your topic is still listed ~ 15 weeks for you right?

There is a link that will send you an automated message telling you the status of your app. If it doesn't say they are working with some candidates, it hasn't gone into prep.

[sandyc27]

Herdon ~ Thanks much for your input. Yes there is a link, same message all these 14 weeks , "...it may take up to 8 weeks to review your application..." Ah, at least I know I still have a chance! Reading all the posts here on the forum, and taking the advice to prepare outlines and such. Thanks again!

[sandyc27]

Inkkognito ~ Yes, seems that way now. I figured everyone is just writing, but could also those in prep aren't aware of this great forum, or they could just be lurking. Hmmm, wondering if there are just less folks in prep these days?

[inkkognito]

I've seen new guides welcomed pretty regularly in our newsletter, so don't lose hope. They just must not be finding Absolute Write these days.

[sandyc27]

@inkkognito~ never losing hope, at least I got this far and still have a chance! Just impatient after a couple of months! Let's see what the New Year brings! Happy writing!

[MrAlex'sMommy]

Is there anyone with an application out now who is having trouble with the 'check your application status' tool? I applied a few weeks ago, but the status checker never works for me. It says an email has been sent, but I never get it. It's not in my spam folder either. I'm more afraid that on the off chance I get accepted to prep, I won't get the email. :)

[sandyc27]

Mr. Alex's Mommy,
Well, a newbie myself, when I send the email I get an email within about 5 minutes. Just be sure your email is set up to accept their emails, they mention this in the reply you get after you application. Reading this forum some of the folks have said it was broken at one time, so maybe that was the case. I would send them an email to be sure about it. Hope this helps~

[herdon]

About.com recently did a re-org so I am not sure who to contact about issues with the application process. I've got a post on the internal forums hoping to find out who you can contact. You definitely need to contact someone if you aren't getting a response when checking on your application and double checking to make sure it isn't caught in a spam filter. You may have entered an incorrect email address.

[MrAlex'sMommy]

About.com recently did a re-org so I am not sure who to contact about issues with the application process. I've got a post on the internal forums hoping to find out who you can contact. You definitely need to contact someone if you aren't getting a response when checking on your application and double checking to make sure it isn't caught in a spam filter. You may have entered an incorrect email address.

Thanks, herdon. I got the initial email when I submitted my application, but the check tool just doesn't work. It says an email has been sent, so the address is ok to go, and it's definitely not getting caught in a spam filter. I tried contacting tech support about three weeks ago, and I got back: "sorry for the inconvenience. we'll notify the appropriate editor." I never heard back and it's still not working, so I'm not really sure what notifying an editor was supposed to do.

[herdon]

I just found out that there's a customer care form you can fill out for any BeAGuide issues:

http://www.about.com/gi/pages/pform.htm

There's a BeAGuide choice in the subject. I'd definitely fill out the form and let them know you aren't getting emails sent back to you.

[MrAlex'sMommy]

That would, indeed, be the one I filled out that got me the incredibly (un)helpful response. Well, boo. I hate to be a pest, but I guess I should send another email to customer care.

Thanks for the responses!

[Uncarved]

well my 8.29.2011 application (placed the DAY that the topic went on the application list after being vacant since may of 2011) is still in waiting. While I feel happy that they haven't picked a prep yet (which would mean they didn't pick me) its still a LONG time to wait on a topic.

I'd say I'm amazed at my patience, but there's really nothing that I can possibly do but be patient on it. Sigh.

[sandyc27]

Uncarved, I see your topic is still up! So is mine!
You mentioned that it means waiting this long is because you haven't been chosen? I've been waiting for 20 weeks; now wondering if I have not been chosen either. I too put it in right when I saw the topic. Well, more waiting for us...hope it looks good for you!

[Uncarved]

I meant that since they haven't picked a Prep class yet, I'm still in the running (I check my status weekly).

[sandyc27]

Oh ok! That's great!

[sandyc27]

So checked my status for this week, and the message went from "may take up to 8 weeks" to "may take up to several months." Anyone else get this message?

[Uncarved]

least they are starting to keep it honest, lol

[sandyc27]

Yes, Yes, so true. Happy about that! Thanks! :)

[inkkognito]

That message might be a good thing. At least it shows that their times are taking significantly longer now so you know you're not lost in the shuffle.

Hoping to have more Absolute Write colleagues at About.com at some point in the future, be it near or far.

[MrAlex'sMommy]

Good gravy! It took two customer care forms, but I'm finally getting the status emails. Sandy, mine says the same thing...it may take up to several months. That's fine; I just wanted to know if it had gone into prep yet (and make sure I'm getting the emails in case I'm selected).

Best of luck to all who are waiting. I hope you hear something soon and that it's good news!

[robjvargas]

Sad to hear. I'm a moderator at a few of the forums there at About, and the number of sites lacking guides is just a shame.

[sandyc27]

2012 is already a strong year for a lot of folks, hoping everyone here gets into prep at least, we all have waited so long. Would love to hear the news from those waiting when they do get that email, or not, but hopefully it's positive. :)

[herdon]

I know it is frustrating to have such a long wait, but it really serves us all better that About.com takes such care in hiring on new writers.

Google's Panda update was specifically aimed at low quality web pages, so those sites like eHow and Examiner and Associated Content (etc.) that concentrated more on quantity than quality got hit hard.

About.com has always put a premium on quality, and while they felt some backlash of Panda (like most websites), they are in a much better position to deal with it and even profit from it than other websites exactly because they put an emphasis on quality in the hiring process.

I know for a fact that I've had an easier time getting page views because of Panda rather than losing page views because of it. Of course, it helps that I got hired right around the time when Panda was hitting so I could make sure I didn't do anything it dislikes, but if you put out quality work on a quality website, you can benefit form Google's new search strategy.

[NH700]

Good gravy! It took two customer care forms, but I'm finally getting the status emails. Sandy, mine says the same thing...it may take up to several months. That's fine; I just wanted to know if it had gone into prep yet (and make sure I'm getting the emails in case I'm selected).

Best of luck to all who are waiting. I hope you hear something soon and that it's good news!

Hi all, new to the forum. *waving* I actually joined because of this thread. I applied to be a topic guide in September 2011, and had the same problem as MrAlex'sMommy. Checking my application status never worked, and I received the same "We will notify the editor" response when I contacted help.

Now it miraculously works! Maybe your second contact to customer care had far reaching effects MrAlex'sMommy! :) Thanks for the helpful info everyone.

Now the waiting game . . . "We have not had a chance to review your application . . . several months . . ."

[sandyc27]

Herdon, I see your point. I am not privy to the changes with Google, I should spend more time reading through the info about it. Thanks!
Glad to hear your site has benefited from the changes!

NH700, I too applied back in Sept 2011, and still waiting but it is better than an outright "We went in another direction...you weren't chosen for the topic...etc" :)

[inkkognito]

The trick is to try to forget about your application. Hard, I know, but it can be done. I actually forgot because I was in the middle of an insanely busy period when I applied to About.com. I literally almost deleted their response as spam when it finally came...then, thank goodness, I realized what it was. It's like the watched pot that never boils. Then, take your eyes away for a minute and those elusive bubbles finally rise.

[inkkognito]

If anyone has expertise in the following topics, About.com is actively seeking topics for them (which I suspect mean they'll be the quickest to go into Prep once they get some good prospects):

Autos – Car Tech
Food – Australian & New Zealand Food
Home & Garden – Rugs & Carpets
Finance – Retirement Planning
News & Issues – Middle East Issues
Health – Urology

About en Español – Celulares [Cellphones],
Computadoras Mac [Mac Computers], Email,
Música mexicana [Mexican Music], Muebles [Furniture],
Ropa para niños [Kid´s Fashion], Zapatos [Shoes] &
Parques de diversión [Amusement Parks]

[aether]

I've been lurking here for a few weeks, as it seems to be the only place for about.com applicants and guides. I applied to be a guide about 5 weeks ago and just got accepted for evaluation. I had applied and then sort of forgotten about it, not expecting to get in. And then, whadya know....I'm in! I'm excited but a little overwhelmed since we have company for 2 out of the 3 weeks of evaluation and I am already feeling behind on day 2!

If anyone has any advice, hints, tips, tricks, etc. for evaluation, I'm all ears! I have just started on the book that is the "Lounge" and find it to be somewhat overwhelming. I just closed it down and decided I should focus on writing and content, and learn the rest later!!!

[inkkognito]

Congrats on getting into prep! I remember that overwhelmed feeling very well. Put your main focus on the content. Make it error free, and find lots of opportunities to link to other About.com content, or even to your own sample articles. Other things like SEO are important, but that can be perfected later if you prove yourself to be a good writer. Oh, and don't be afraid if you don't get a ton of feedback. That worried me, but apparently that was a good thing since I did get chosen.

[aether]

Thank you, inkkognito! Also, I do appreciate the extra advice to just focus on content. I'm nervous that I won't have very much to link to right away, as the topics they gave me to write about are very specific and from my quick searching earlier, I see there is not much on about.com at all in relation to it. I will see what I can come up with, but might end up with no about.com links in the first couple. Perhaps I can include them in my blogs somehow.

I guess all that is left to do is to dive in and see what happens...which won't happen until my husband gets home to take over with the kids. I can't get much done with them running around!

I am excited!!!!

[Uncarved]

What topic is your Prep for aether? If you don't mind sharing that is?

[aether]

Aviation/Aerospace. Perhaps it's one that not many people go for so they don't have to sift through many applications? We will likely never know how the application process works from their end.

I read the last few pages of the thread, and I'm sorry you're still waiting. :(

It looks like the aviation/aerospace page has been empty for a long time. There isn't much content up yet, which leaves me with plenty to write about, so I can't complain!

[herdon]

I don't think its a matter of the quantity of applications as it can be an issue with the quality of the applications. Even they see a candidate they think fits, they want 3-5 people to go through prep and each one of them must stack up well enough that they have a legitimate chance to be chosen. That's my guess on why some topics can take longer (though I could be wrong, of course).

[sandyc27]

Best wishes Aether! That's great you were chosen for prep in 5 weeks! I totally get the "what to do with the kids, while I plug away at Prep" bit, and curious how you will handle it. I have been homeschooling my 7yro daughter, also in a gifted program and work for an adoption agency, so it looks like I would totally rely on my hubby to write when he gets home from work. I wish you well in getting it all done and know it can be done, from reading this thread from start to finish (secretly happy to hear parents were very successful in prep). Let us know how it goes when you come up for air ~ hope prep goes really well!

[broken_seq]

Hi all,
I just registered here because I just finished About.com prep last week. Essentially, here was my process:

I applied for the topic back in late September/early October. Didn't get accepted to prep until early/mid January. So, for anyone out there wondering if it can take a while before you hear anything, it can.

As for prep itself, I got an email from About telling me I had been accepted. I was instructed to write three articles based on topics they gave me in the email (each of which needed to be a minimum of 600 words,) as well as one or two blog posts. This all had to be done in a week.

So, I wrote the three articles and two blog posts and submitted them. I got them back with a few minor edits, and then moved on to the second phase of prep. This phase is two weeks long and includes you uploading your sample material from week one to a mock site using About's tools.

This second part was a tad trickier than I thought it would be. I assumed, "hey, I can figure out internet stuff rather quickly, I've built and run websites before." The thing is, the tools are not the most intuitive things in the world. Beyond that, there is also a lag in uploading, so it may take some time before your material shows up (in the meantime, you just get frustrated and repeat the same process over and over.)

Anyway, I got my site done, everything was uploaded, all SEO/metadata filled in, and then I wait. Everything had to be done by last Friday (which was five days ago,) and I was told it may take up to a week before they make a decision.

Now, I never counted on getting the position in the first place, so if I didn't get it, no big deal, right? Well, as Monday came and went, and still no decision, I admit, I started getting antsy. Then all day yesterday )Tuesday,) every time my phone chirped with a new email, I got a bit of a rush...but alas, no news.

So, finally, today (Wednesday,) I get the email...aaaaaaaannnnndddd.....

I didn't get the position.

BUT, I enjoyed the experience and it was pretty cool to even be selected for prep, and then to make it into the second round. My editor was very nice, professional and polite (of course I got the standard "this was a very tough decision to make" and "It's no fun for us to turn away writers with great experience",) and answered any questions I had.

So, just to sum up...

-It can be months before you hear back from About.com.
-Prep currently consists of writing three articles and one or two blog posts, and then uploading them and building a mock site.
-You won't know who you're up against or how many.