E-mail submissions and rejections

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I'm under the impression that a good number of rags won't bother to say when they've rejected you.

What's a good time frame to wait before assuming they've rejected you quietly?
 

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I can't answer your question, but I can also assure you that there are a fair number of mags (and agents, for that matter) who won't respond with a rejection even to a snail-mail submission with SASE, so it isn't just an e-mail issue.

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blacbird said:
I can't answer your question, but I can also assure you that there are a fair number of mags (and agents, for that matter) who won't respond with a rejection even to a snail-mail submission with SASE, so it isn't just an e-mail issue.

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I sent a sub to an agent in Calif. over two months ago. Followed it up with an e-mail with additional info. Still no response. Two more weeks and I will scratch this agent from my list. There, that'l teach 'em. (grin)
 

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I'm finding that the vast majority of agents I'm querying right now (by e-mail: I can't afford stamps) will only write me back if they're interested. Understandable, but maddening.
 

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I haven't submitted a whole lot but everybody I've subbed a story to has got back to me. The longest time I waited for a positive response was six months. That was for poetry by the way. But yes, I've been having closure as they say.
 

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Whatever the guidelines say. Check them on Duotrope for regular response times. Some places will hold onto things for six months or more (gah!); others will respond within a month. If a market has had your work for much longer than the Duotrope response times, then I'd say it's safe to move on.
 

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The guidelines in question have no specification, other than "No simultanious submissions."
 

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Are they listed on Duotrope?
 

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I've seen a few markets (both print and electronic) say they won't send rejections. Personally, I find this rude, lazy and unprofessional so I won't submit to places like that.
 

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bsolah said:
I've seen a few markets (both print and electronic) say they won't send rejections. Personally, I find this rude, lazy and unprofessional so I won't submit to places like that.

Me too. Such behavior used to be unheard of. Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more the norm. And most of the places that engage in it don't have the common courtesy to tell you so in advance.

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I've seen a few markets (both print and electronic) say they won't send rejections. Personally, I find this rude, lazy and unprofessional so I won't submit to places like that.

There's nothing rude, lazy, or unprofessional about it. It saves time and money for magazines and for writers. Most magazines do respond to a #10 SASE, but all this does is cost you a stamp and give you one more rejection slip.

The only reason all magazines used to respond is because writers needed their manuscripts returned so they could send them elsewhere. New manuscripts had to be typed, and this was costly and time-consuming. Rejection slips naturally came along with the manuscripts, so this became a habit.

But today no writer in his right mind keeps sending out the same manuscript. It's much easier and cheaper to just print out a fresh, clean copy. And since manuscripts no longer need be returned, there's little sense in paying people to send out little slips of paper that all say essentially the same thing, which is "Hell, no, we don't want your story."

If you make it a habit of not submitting to magazines that don't respond, all you're doing is making it easier for writers who do. And in three or four more years, you probably won't be sending manuscripts anywhere.

Just submit, and if you don't hear within two months, move on. It's really very painless. And much cheaper.

The simple truth is that magazines owe you nothing, including a response. Especially to something they don't want or need. Most magazines accept submissions, but no magazine asks for them from any individual writer. And those who say this is a lazy practice have no clue at all about what goes on inside an editorial office, or how things really work.

Complaining that a magazine doesn't respond is really just another way of saying you didn't send them something they wanted, needed, or liked.
 

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I'm finding that the vast majority of agents I'm querying right now (by e-mail: I can't afford stamps) will only write me back if they're interested. Understandable, but maddening.

As for agents, if they don't respond, I resubmit until they do. If everyone did that, they would be so overwhelmed by multiple submissions that they might rethink this rude behavior.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
If you make it a habit of not submitting to magazines that don't respond, all you're doing is making it easier for writers who do. And in three or four more years, you probably won't be sending manuscripts anywhere.

More or less confirming what I just said.

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Just submit, and if you don't hear within two months, move on.

Ah, but what about those many magazines that take anywhere from three to eighteen months to respond? I thought you didn't like sim-subs.

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blacbird said:
More or less confirming what I just said.



Ah, but what about those many magazines that take anywhere from three to eighteen months to respond? I thought you didn't like sim-subs.

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I don't like simsubs, but few, if any, magazines that do not respond at all take from three to eighteen months to go through submissions. The nice thing about not responding is that it's usually much faster. Two months is the average time you're told to wait.

Having said this, so what if it takes eighteen months or two years? If a writer is writing and submitting on anything like a regular scehdule, he'll be hearing back, or can assume it's time to move on, on a regular schedule.

Worrying about wait time always means the writer isn't writing enough.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
Worrying about wait time always means the writer isn't writing enough.

With 20+ submissions out at any one time, I'm less worried about not getting enough writing done and more worried about keeping everything straight in my head. This is the age of email. It takes less than thirty seconds to send me a note saying, "Not for us," and frees the manuscript up for another market.

Why no one bothers is beyond me.
 

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blacbird said:
Wait a minute . . . this is making my head hurt . . . "not responding is much faster" . . . didn't Yogi Berra say things like that?

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Well, would you rather wait six months for a response, or be able to move on in two? Places that do not respond almost always have a quicker set time for you to move on. Not responding IS almost always faster, if the writer doesn't just sit around and wait.

Magazines of any size that do not respond generally tell writers to move on after two months. Most of these same magazines had a three to six month response time before adopting the no response policy.

But time shouldn't matter. If you're writing pretty much every day, and submitting very often at all, response time soon becomes a moot point.
 

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Well, would you rather wait six months for a response, or be able to move on in two?

I'd rather them send me an email after they finished reading it.

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The nice thing about not responding is that it's usually much faster.

Oh, and by the way, in case you weren't aware of it, Yogi Berra is famed for saying stuff like this. My favorite is probably his comment about fans, regarding a game that was poorly attended:

"If they want to stay away, how can we stop 'em?"

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I don't like the "we'll calls you if we likes you" approach all that much, just because it's vague. I don't need a railroad spike of rejection letters on my wall, but I don't like sitting there going "Do they want it? Yes? No?"

I'm writing plenty. I write every day, and I have a wealth of projects swirling around, mostly spoken for. So on the occasion that I send something out that's NOT spoken for, I like to know what's happening with it.

Mostly, what I think this means is, magazines need to either set hard deadlines (if you havne' theard back from us in eighteen days, we are not interested) or else, we shall have a fair amount of miscommunication. A magazine running behind schedule will get back to the writer after four months and say "We want your story," and the writer will say "I sold it a month ago, sorry."

I'm certainly partial to the notion that I, as an editor, wouldn't have ot send out any more rejection letters. Yeah, it's just an e-mail, but when I'm doing twenty-five a day every day, even Copying/Pasting the rejection letter gets royally old. That said, I still do it.

(Probably makes me old fashioned.)
 
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