Short Story or Novel?

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lfraser

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I've been writing fiction for about a year and a half. The fist six months were golden -- I was writing almost every day, working on a novel. I knew it was just a practise novel and would never get published, but I was having fun and I spent quite a lot of time working out the plot and the characters and building a world. In other words, I felt it had enough merit to kep me moving. I was about a third of the way through it by last January (at about 100 pages).

Then I started reading the odd author's website and checkd out a few writing forums (not these ones) and decided to follow the seemingly practical advice to start writing short stories because it's the best way to break into publishing.

The trouble is, I don't think I'm very good at writing short stories. For some reason I can't seem to get a handle on them -- I have lots of ideas and I spend ages working out plotlines and characters, but for some reason the wordcount limitations seem to cramp my style. I think that's because I love to get into my character's heads a lot, and in short fiction that's not really possible. I've managed to finish a small number of shorts, and one in particular is reasonably good, I think, but my writing has become very slow and sporadic and I am not writing with the eagerness I felt when I was working on the novel. I just can't seem to distill a story into a readable short, I have a lot of unfinished stories, and I'm getting frustrated with myself.

Does it make sense to spend a year writing a novel, or would it be better to keep on trying to master short stories? And -- are there publlished writers who write good novels but can't write shorts? Does anyone here feel that they are more suited to novel writing than short story writing? I guess what I'm asking is whether my inability to pump out short stories is an indication that I can't write any story of any length, period. I think I have some small talent, but perhaps I don't have the skill.
 

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I tried the writing shorts after reading the same advice. I suck at short stories. Write a great novel and you'll get published.
 

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I don't think it matters much, write what you feel most comfortable with. Go with your strength. I concentrate way more on novels because they pay so much better.

Just think of short stories as novels that wrap up a lot faster.
 

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Thanks! That's reassuring. And if nothing else I was getting a hell of a lot more practice with the novel than I am now, so I'm going to wrap up this short I'm working on and get back to those people I left hanging a year ago.
 
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I can't write short stories for nuts, and never have been able to. Everytime I try, the damn little things drive me mad. If you're good at shorts that's great and can be very useful, but a lot of writers are no good at them, and manage just fine. Don't worry about it. Write what you love, and what makes you want to write more, and you can't go wrong.
 

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Writing short stories will help you get better at writing short stories. Writing novels will help you get better at writing novels.

A lot of the skills cross over, it's true. But they're not the same thing, and there's no one right way to break in. I spent a lot of time following that same advice, and I suspect I'd farther along on my career as a novelist if I hadn't worried as much about following the "proper" path of short stories, then novels.
 

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Inkdaub said:
Short stories and novels are different animals. I wouldn't worry about it. Write what you are moved to write.

I second that. Soar with your strengths.
 

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Yeah, I too got sucked into that particular vortex. Then I recovered, took a step back and said, woah, what is it I love to read? And the answer is, novels.

Having said that, the time spent writing short stories and being part of crit sites was very well spent. My prose has improved so much and my editing skills are much improved so it was not time wasted at all.

But yeah, short stories I find both too short and too long if you know what I mean.
 

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Short stories

Writing short stories is not a terribly good way to break into pubishing. Short story credits to top magazines in a given field will certainly impress most agents and editors, but getting those credits can take years. If you ever manage it.

I'm all for writing shortstories, and I write them often. But it's tougher to sell a short story to a top magazine than it is to sell a novel to a commercial publisher, which is why good short story credits impress agents and editors.

If you like writing short tsories, and if you love reading short stories, then you should write them. They do help promote your novels, they do draw fans, they do impress agents and editors. But the only reason to write short stories is because you enjoy writing them and love reading them.

The competition at any top magazine makes the novel competition racket pale in comparison.
 

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Jamesaritchie said:
The competition at any top magazine makes the novel competition racket pale in comparison.

How true. I've sold way more novels than short stories.
 

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help me please

Size wise (word count) what seperates short stories from novels?

I'm on 21,000 words, and a little more than half way there. I'd hate to think of it as a short story, but I'm sure I'll barely hit 200 pages.
 

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Write short stories for the love of the thing, and for the occasional paycheck, but don't consider it a useful foot in the door. Especially don't bother if you don't like doing it and don't want to.

Write your novel. Make it really good. Get it in the hands of people who read that sort of thing. Go from there. Later on, if you're moved to (or your agent moves you to succifiently hard) then write a short story or two.
 

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I re-read my novel draft earlier today and while I was preparing a curry for dinner I found myself mentally writing the chapter I always felt was missing from the opening. I needed an outsider to tell part of this story, and now I know who he is (he was always there, just not doing his job). I can see that I'll be busy tonight and all weekend.

Now that I've re-read it, parts of the novel are quite acceptable, even to my internal editor, but others are just plain dreadful. The latter comprises the bits I wrote right at the start. Obviously some progress was made over that six months of writing -- which is somewhat encouraging.
 

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Um....if you'll be busy writing this new arrival into your novel...then you won't be needing the curry, will you? Only, I'd hate for good curry to go to waste.
 

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jennifer75 said:
Size wise (word count) what seperates short stories from novels?

I'm on 21,000 words, and a little more than half way there. I'd hate to think of it as a short story, but I'm sure I'll barely hit 200 pages.

Short short 1,000-2,000 words.

Short story 2,000-7,500 words.

Novelette 7,500-15,000 words. (17,500 in SFD and Fantsy.)

Novella, 15,000-30,000 words. (Usually 40,000 words in SF and fantasy.)

Novel. Anything over 30,000 words, and really anything a publisher says it is.
 

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There isn't a career path that goes short story --> novel, or self-publish --> small-press --> major-press, or anything else of the sort. The career path is: write what you write best, and send it to the best markets you can.

It is, in fact, easier to sell a novel than a short story. More markets. Also, more money.

If you hold off writing your novel until after you've sold a few short stories ... and you don't write short stories very well ... then you're never going to get around to that novel.
 

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PeeDee said:
Um....if you'll be busy writing this new arrival into your novel...then you won't be needing the curry, will you? Only, I'd hate for good curry to go to waste.

It's a damn fine curry (actually it's two curries -- cant really just have one). And it won't go to waste around here.

I find cooking to be a soothing and meditative activity. Making caramelized onions is worth about half an hour of pure, uninterrupted thought. Pounding whole spices with a mortar and pestle is worth another fifteen. Chopping veggies, another fifteen. Throw on some Gilmore-era Pink Floyd for background music, and you're golden for over an hour. I do some of my best thinking while I'm cooking.
 

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I started writing before I started reading about writing, so I happily didn't have any kind of rules or information to follow; I probably wouldn't have taken any notice of info anyway. I knew that the very first story I started was going to be long, so many different little plots and interests in it, and yes, getting right inside of the two MCs heads too.
The best thing I've found is; the longer I'm writing, the better I'm getting at it, and editing is actually fun when going over the stuff I first started with.

Just write how you feel, rules are made to be broken.


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I'd always wanted to write a novel, but I spent years--too many--writing short stories. When I finally decided to set the years of short story writing aside to work on a novel, I discovered that I virtually had to relearn how to write again. There was a point where I would have self-edited or simply not done something because of my short story background, and I would have to consciously remind myself not to "write short." One of the biggest headaches--and the most painful to overcome--was plotting. I kept writing a novel like a long short story, and it took a long time to learn how to plot for novel.

One of the things I've also discovered since then is that there's no big market for short stories in my genre (or to be more precise, the only big markets are publishing the crime subgenre, which I don't write in).
 

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Elodie-Caroline said:
I started writing before I started reading about writing, so I happily didn't have any kind of rules or information to follow;

I did too. I'd been writing for a number of years already before I read a single bit of writerly chatter, and I'm increasingly glad that I did. Sometimes, writers get way to caught up in the minutae of the business and miss out on the big business signposts, the ones that say Write it and Get on with it.
 

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I do feel that the year I've spent doing short story critiques has been valuable, but that time has also taken away from my writing time, and it's easy to fall into the trap of feeling that critique time qualifies as writing time -- which is, of course, utter hogwash. I like doing critiques, but I've probably spent as much time (or even more time) on critiques as I have on writing, and that just doesn't get the job done.

So today I return to the novel, with the chapter already almost written in my head. The goal is to write this one chapter from start to finish, today, before I go to bed, no excuses; the curry dinner I made last night entitles me to a cooking-free evening and my partner is out in a frozen marsh somewhere photographing birds.

I feel that I should not, for the moment, edit the chapters I wrote last year, because that will drop me straight down the compulsive editing mineshaft (and there is a lot of dross down there). I know exactly where I left all my characters, so after this chapter is finished I'm going to move foward.
 

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What an interesting process this is.

I did write my chapter yesterday, and in the process found several threads worth pursuing -- in fact, they are central concepts that only this particular character could be thinking about, because he is an outsider. Pushing him into the limelight was definitely a good idea.

The basic premise of the story still stands up suprisingly well, but I've obviously learned a lot in the last year. I'll be keeping two of the five chapters I had written, but I can see where some of the weaknesses are now. The re-write is going to be fun, since I know where I'm going. I'm even fairly certain I know what's going to happen smackdab in the middle of the story.

I now remember that when I started, this was supposed to be an action-adventure fantasy. As I wrote, it turned much darker and moodier, which is the mental terrain in which I am the most comfortable as a writer. But while the story became darker, I had stubbornly clung to my original action-adventure character, and by about page 50 she had developed into a glow-in-the-dark, shameless, spike-heeled streetwalker of a Mary-Sue. She would have been wonderful in a cheeky action-adventure fantasy, but she doesn't belong in the story I was actually writing. :D
 
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