Buying used copies of still-in-print novels

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I've always loved used bookstores. When I go traveling (I live on a small island in Indonesia which has a fundamental lack of good bookstores) one of my joys is to find a used bookstore and spend a couple hours browsing. In such a store I have no qualms at all about buying used copies of novels I know are still in print.

But when I got to online bookstores for a new novel, and see used copies for sale at a tenth the price, well, it's a dilemma, especially since shipping costs to where I live can double the cover price of something I want.

What do you guys think about buying used copies instead of new copies?
 

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I found this really nice hardcover copy of Moby Dick with color illustrations. It's classy, and a lot nicer than the newer prints I was finding in bookstores.
 

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I buy a lot of books, both new and used (sometimes out of print, sometimes not). I assume you're asking because buying a used book means the writer got no income from it. Personally, I think that people who regularly buy books (and not just the NYT best-sellers) are a writer's "best friend". For example, I've bought a few books by Stephen King; I don't think he'd mind that I bought a copy of Everything's Eventual at a library book sale for $2.
 

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I don't buy used unless the book is long out of print. It pays the wrong people (that is, not the author and publisher). Simple as that.
 

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alleycat said:
I buy a lot of books, both new and used (sometimes out of print, sometimes not). I assume you're asking because buying a used book means the writer got no income from it. Personally, I think that people who regularly buy books (and not just the NYT best-sellers) are a writer's "best friend". .

I started this new thread topic and deleted it at least three times because I was afraid (considering recent posts) that readers would think I am asking this for selfish purposes. Then I realized I was self-censoring myself, which is often the most insidious form of censorship. This is something that I've followed across various boards and sources for awhile, something I am truly interested in and may write an article about (if only to clarify my own thinking on this, which is quite tangled and mixed).

For example, yes, no question people who love reading are a writer's best friend. There is indeed a general atmosphere of loving books and reading that is so very important. But if we consider a specific first time novelist (and please forget about me, this is NOT about me) who needs to earn out her advance, then each sale of a *used* copy is jeopardizing her career. Shouldn't we, as writers, be supporting her career?

And most importantly of all: my teenaged sons are coming home from boarding school tonight for Christmas break. Hurrah!
 

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I buy many books, new and used. I buy new ones if I know it's something that I really want to read, and/or if it's by an author whom I know I like their work. I also buy used books; mostly books that I may never have heard of the title or writer and wouldn't chance paying £7.00 on a paperback for something I might not like.

I do have to add -- my most treasured possession is a book that I found in a charity shop around 4 years ago; it's called 'Les Belles heures de Paris'. It's all written in French and was printed in 1964; each right-hand page is a full b&w photo of Paris in the early 1960s... Long live second hand books! :)


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While I think it an admirable goal to buy new books from a new author, most people cannot commit their precious entertainment (or food or rent) budget to support another author.

I don't regularly buy used books, but I do frequent free public libraries to read books I would not otherwise buy. I don't feel bad about it, and no momey goes to the author, but I am likely to buy a second book if I like it. Same holds for used books - it's an easy entry vehicle to an author for people who would not buy on first pass. I can't imagine a second book is broken by sales of used copies of the first, only by the quality of the second book.
 

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Novelist in Paradise said:
I started this new thread topic and deleted it at least three times because I was afraid (considering recent posts) that readers would think I am asking this for selfish purposes. Then I realized I was self-censoring myself, which is often the most insidious form of censorship. This is something that I've followed across various boards and sources for awhile, something I am truly interested in and may write an article about (if only to clarify my own thinking on this, which is quite tangled and mixed).

For example, yes, no question people who love reading are a writer's best friend. There is indeed a general atmosphere of loving books and reading that is so very important. But if we consider a specific first time novelist (and please forget about me, this is NOT about me) who needs to earn out her advance, then each sale of a *used* copy is jeopardizing her career. Shouldn't we, as writers, be supporting her career?

And most importantly of all: my teenaged sons are coming home from boarding school tonight for Christmas break. Hurrah!
No doubts you'll get arguments on both sides of the question; some well-reasoned, some emotional.

Here's some more wood for the fire: What about other items. Cars, for example. If someone buys a used car that mean the car maker and auto workers don't receive anything because of your purchase. Or houses. If you buy an existing home that means the builders and construction workers don't get any additional income (or the engineers--my field). I realize intellectual properties are somewhat difference than these examples (in that they can be "consumed" by the original purchaser, then passed on), but books are bought and sold just like anything else.

If someone wants to only buy new books because they feel it's the right or best thing to do, great, but I personally don't feel a moral imperative to always do so. This is just my opinion; I'm not trying to change anyone else's. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think people buying used books are on the top of the list of problems that writers have.

Another question, what in the world are people suppose to do with all the used books? People die, move to smaller homes, lose interest in a particular subject, grow up, etc., leaving a bookcase full of books. Donating them to a library doesn't help the writer or publisher either (and most library only shelf a few of the books donated to them; the rest they . . . sell). What is someone suppose to do with them? Take them to the landfill?
 
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I buy new unless I think the writer is particularly obnoxious. Or if they've already sold a gajillion copies. Mid list and debut writers I always buy new.
 

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I buy new, I buy used. When my library has their annual book sale, I make out like a bandit. When I go to Borders, *they* make out like a bandit. :D

If I buy something for 50¢ by Joe Blow at the library sale, and I like it, then I'll look for Joe Blow's books the next time I'm at Borders, and pay retail.

And no, I don't feel the slightest bit guilty for buying used.
 

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Novelist in Paradise said:
But when I got to online bookstores for a new novel, and see used copies for sale at a tenth the price, well, it's a dilemma, especially since shipping costs to where I live can double the cover price of something I want.

I think in this case I would go for the new book. You're just paying the same amount but the money goes to the shipping/used book store. I'd rather support the author and put another $1 in his/her pocket. Now, if you happen to stop by a used book store and find a book you want for $2, I'd say go ahead and buy it. It's your money. But in the case where the book is $2 but the shipping cost is $8, do a good thing and buy new.
 

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I buy new if it's just released. I buy new if I can't find it used.

Otherwise, due to budgetary constraints, I buy used. Most of the books I buy are probably out of print anyway, I'm trying to recreate my childhood book collection of sci-fi/fantasy.
 

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If someone believes we should all buy books only brand new, so the author gets the money, and never buy used for the same purpose -- what about going to the library? If you have the funds to purchase a book, should you be turned away from using a library?

I love buying new, but I have no qualms at all when it comes to buying used, or sharing with other people. I know groups who share books to read during their 1-hour ferry commute, should they feel guilty about only buying one copy and passing it around? No one else is making a profit, but the author sells only one copy that is then ready by 12 people.
 

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I buy both. And sometimes I buy new in paperback, and love the book so much I buy a used hardback copy.

I do, however, understand your qualms on the issue, especially as Amazon has made the sale of used copies directly competitive wit the sale of new copies. (Most bookstores don't have a stakc of new copies sitting right next to a stack of used copies.)

I saw a fascinating example of this problem when a friend published her second novel. It had good advance buzz, so advance reviews were piling up on the Amazon page to encourage pre-orders.

About a week before the book was released, I noticed that, although you couldn't purchase the book yet, there were already used copies on sale on Amazon.

Took me a while to figure it out, though you've probably worked it out already. Review copies being recycled by the reviewers. Prior to publication. That seems to me to be going too far.
 
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My answer is depends. If the author (like bob woodward...) charges thirty-forty bucks for their new hardcover, I have no qualms at all going to a used book store.

If I'm especially poor right now, I do tend to go to used book stores, under the assumption that as an author, myself, I'd still want poor people to buy my book and give it to their friends when they're done.
 

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greatfish said:
I found this really nice hardcover copy of Moby Dick with color illustrations. It's classy, and a lot nicer than the newer prints I was finding in bookstores.

Doesn't constitute a moral problem. Melville is no longer receiving royalties.

caw
 

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I buy both used and new books. I used to feel bad about buying used (royalties and all that), but I'd be happy if someone bought a used copy of my book. The important thing to me is that my story is being told. Anything above that (to me) is a bonus. Naive, I'm sure, but I don't care.
 

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I like buying used books. I've found lots of interesting books buying used. Hell, I work in a used book store. It's silly not to buy used books because it's "paying the wrong people." Those people were already paid when the novel was first sold. There is no feasible way that the novel would have ever earned them royalties a second time, whether you're buying new or used. Whichcase, why not buy used?

Plus, it means I can buy loads of books for less money. It's nice. That said, I'm just about to go to Barnes & Noble and load up on new books, so I can go either way. Do what you will.
 

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Novelist in Paradise said:
What do you guys think about buying used copies instead of new copies?

Consider this a bit of stretch. I doubt anyone harbors any guilt about listening to music on the radio rather than buying the album.

Used books often end up in the hands of those who plainly can't afford to fill their shelves with new copies. And finding one title may inspire you to buy a new title from the same author. This rule does not apply to the abundance of Harlequins my stepdaughter fills the office with at $1 a bag.
 
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I prefer to buy new in general, because I want to do my part to help the market--I hope that someone eventually does the same for me.

There are situations when I'll buy used and not have a problem with it, though:
* Textbooks--what a ripoff. I even sell mine when I'm not going to use them again and have a chance. I'd go broke, otherwise.
* The author doesn't need my help (dead or already a big name).
* I'm trying out an author that I'm not familiar with. If I like that author, I buy new in future--I might even buy a new copy of the one I bought used, and give the used copy to someone or leave it somewhere and list it on BookCrossing. If I don't like the author, I pass the book along, because maybe someone else will.
* I'm buying a lot of books with intent to get others hooked (i.e. getting stuff together for the classroom library that I'm hoping to need this time next year)
 

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When I'm browsing for books, I'm a reader. It's not my responsiblity to support new authors or worry about whether they've earned out their advance or add to their royalties by buying a hardback instead of a paperback. In reader mode, I'm looking for a book I want to read and it doesn't matter to me if it's new or used, or if the author is making his debut or churning out his 100th novel. All that matters to me is the book itself -- does it capture my interest? If so, it goes home with me. If not, it goes back on the shelf.

I love used bookstores and all the treasures you can find in them. I would never stop patronizing them just because my purchase doesn't add to the author's bank account. Nor would I ever give up libraries just because the author only got paid once, and not for every reader who checked out the book.
 

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I'll buy new or used. Lately I've been buying more new books than used but it really depends. If the book is worth the new price to me, I'll buy new. Otherwise I'll look around to see how cheaply I can get it.

Like most people, the lower the price, the more likely I am to take a chance. So I may get a new author in a used or remaindered title, and then buy subsequent books new.
 
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